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Digging into China’s nuclear tunnels
Yahoo! News / The Washington Post ^ | November 30, 2011 | William Wan

Posted on 11/30/2011 2:32:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The Chinese have called it their “Underground Great Wall” — a vast network of tunnels designed to hide their country’s increasingly sophisticated missile and nuclear arsenal.

For the past three years, a small band of obsessively dedicated students at Georgetown University has called it something else: homework.

Led by their hard-charging professor, a former top Pentagon official, they have translated hundreds of documents, combed through satellite imagery, obtained restricted Chinese military documents and waded through hundreds of gigabytes of online data.

The result of their effort? The largest body of public knowledge about thousands of miles of tunnels dug by the Second Artillery Corps, a secretive branch of the Chinese military in charge of protecting and deploying its ballistic missiles and nuclear warheads.

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But the strongest condemnation has come from nonproliferation experts who worry that the study could fuel arguments for maintaining nuclear weapons in an era when efforts are being made to reduce the world’s post-Cold War stockpiles....

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; chinanukes; chinatunnel; nonproliferation; nuclearweapons
Yeah, we can't stop our head-long rush into unilateral disarmament, can we?
1 posted on 11/30/2011 2:33:02 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just realized that this could be the first thing I’ve read in 10 years of a University actually doing something interesting, creative, and worthwhile.


2 posted on 11/30/2011 2:39:15 PM PST by Noamie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wonder what would happen if the Three Gorges Dam in China got itself nuked..?..

Releasing a flood of biblical proportions.. darkening most of China.. cutting the country in half..

THEN.. nuking three or four other areas...


3 posted on 11/30/2011 2:46:31 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If anyone believes that China has only a few hundred warheads, they are fools. Theirwar doctrine is to survive and win a nuclear war. We are crazy to only have 5000!


4 posted on 11/30/2011 2:47:35 PM PST by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: Noamie

It should also scare you that None of the previous Secretaries of Defense, not Bill Gates, or even Donald Rumsfeld, had a significant intel operation to warn America about the true size of the Chinese nuclear arsenal which they are attempting to conceal.


5 posted on 11/30/2011 2:48:13 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Noamie

Fascinating (and frightening) stuff.


6 posted on 11/30/2011 2:50:44 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: MichaelP

What’s more scary is that the Russians have 12,000 nukes, scattered throughout Russia AND CIS countries friendly towards it (EG Kazakhstan, Belarus, ect), with storage facilities including Yamautu Mountain and very extensive tunnel networks that were continued after the fall of the USSR. China has about 4,000.


7 posted on 11/30/2011 2:50:53 PM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thank goodness everyone in the U.S. has not fallen for the naive belief that China has turned capitalist and only wants to make money through "free trade."

China and Russia are using minor-league powers like North Korea, Iran, and Venezuela to sap our strength and distract us from the real threat.

8 posted on 11/30/2011 2:52:50 PM PST by hellbender
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thank goodness everyone in the U.S. has not fallen for the naive belief that China has turned capitalist and only wants to make money through "free trade."

China and Russia are using minor-league powers like North Korea, Iran, and Venezuela to sap our strength and distract us from the real threat.

9 posted on 11/30/2011 2:52:50 PM PST by hellbender
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To: Thunder90

Kazakhstan and Belarus are NPT signatories and gave up all
nuclear weapons by 1996.


10 posted on 11/30/2011 2:57:50 PM PST by RitchieAprile (Precious little in your life is yours by right and won without a fight..)
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To: RitchieAprile

This doesn’t matter if the weapons are controlled by Russian forces. It is the same as the US having nukes on Ramnstein AFB in Germany for NATO defense.


11 posted on 11/30/2011 3:32:45 PM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"But the strongest condemnation has come from nonproliferation experts who worry that the study could fuel arguments for maintaining nuclear weapons in an era when efforts are being made to reduce the world’s post-Cold War stockpiles....

One must ask about the intelligence, competence, and yes, loyalties of so-called "non-proliferation experts" who can actually "condemn" a study which could make us better informed on such a critically important subject.


12 posted on 11/30/2011 4:08:34 PM PST by Enchante
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is maybe the first realistic and productive non-science college project I HAVE EVER HEARD OF.

The faculty must LOATHE this guy.


13 posted on 11/30/2011 4:55:39 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Enchante

Ya know what? I’ll bet you’re the kind of guy who locks doors, and stuff. Nasty, you know?

I’ll bet you worry about gang-bangers carrying guns —you precipitate incidents.

With no folks like you, we’d live in a perfect world, see?


14 posted on 11/30/2011 5:07:40 PM PST by gaijin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Chinese scared the crap out of the Soviet Union in the 1970s. The Russians knew that they could not prevail in a full-scale war with them, back then. Now it’s an order of magnitude worse.

One day, we’ll dare China...an hour later, the American that are still alive will wonder what the hell just happened.

It is HORRIBLE that we cannot figure out that they mean business and now have the resources to execute.


15 posted on 11/30/2011 7:26:32 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: colorado tanker

HOWEVER-——it would probably help the unemployment a bit, because a new-type of compass would have to be made!!!!!


16 posted on 11/30/2011 7:37:10 PM PST by DixT
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To: Enchante; 2ndDivisionVet
But the strongest condemnation has come from nonproliferation experts who worry that the study could fuel arguments for maintaining nuclear weapons in an era when efforts are being made to reduce the world’s post-Cold War stockpiles....

Anyone who believes that the Cold War is over is a fool of the first order.

The only way the Cold War will end is if it becomes HOT.

The repressive dictators of the world will not tolerate the existence of a free nation.

If the passivist of this nation succeed in sufficiently weakening this country to a sufficiently unprepared for war status that our enemies are emboldened we will be attacked and the Cold War will end.

Peace last only so long as our enemies are afraid to attack which is why we were attacked on 9/11/2001.

17 posted on 11/30/2011 8:29:14 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was glad to read this, but should WaPo and the prefessor really be exposing all of this to the Chinese?


18 posted on 11/30/2011 8:31:10 PM PST by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: Thunder90

The nuclear weapons were repatriated to Russia.
They would figure into Russia’s SALT and SALT II allotments.

I am not aware of any Russian nuclear forces still on the
territories of former SSRs which became independent.


19 posted on 11/30/2011 9:22:58 PM PST by RitchieAprile (Precious little in your life is yours by right and won without a fight..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"nonproliferation experts "

I love how these a-holes invent "experts" on the spot. Yeah the "nonproliferation experts" have done such a great job so far-- just ask India, China, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran...

OH and BTW, we analyzed this concept for our own missile defense system back in the Cold War days. War gaming it showed it was so easy to defeat, we never bothered with it.

20 posted on 11/30/2011 9:29:58 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; lilyramone; crusadersoldier; Ellzeena; Anvilhead; stonehouse01; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.


21 posted on 11/30/2011 9:32:47 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Paul Ross; hosepipe; Noamie; Thunder90; Enchante; hellbender; MichaelP
Clinton National Security Scandal and Coverup
http://www.againsthillary.com/clinton_national_security_coverup.html

also these:
"U. S. Firms Helped China with Nukes"
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30294

"From Chinagate to Kosovo"
http://bookoflife.org/history/usa/1990sXLXXII/June211999.htm

"Gorelick's Memo Impeded Probe of Clinton's China Scandal"
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/26/153933.shtml

"High Treason"
http://alamo-girl.com/treason.htm

"Behind the Treason Allegations"
http://alamo-girl.com/0191.htm

"Johnny Chung tells all"
[secret meetings with Chinese military, stonewalling by Justice]
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17251

"Bureaucracy, Bungled Report Collide at Loral"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/stories/loral053198.htm

22 posted on 11/30/2011 10:45:58 PM PST by Mr Apple ( "VIDEO CHINAGATE" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2970981220206109356)
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To: patton; SunkenCiv; SmithL; Nachum; MHGinTN; CholeraJoe; EODGUY; Enchante
“But the strongest condemnation has come from nonproliferation experts who worry that the study could fuel arguments for maintaining nuclear weapons in an era when efforts are being made to reduce the world’s post-Cold War stockpiles....

One must ask about the intelligence, competence, and yes, loyalties of so-called “non-proliferation experts” who can actually “condemn” a study which could make us better informed on such a critically important subject.

I concur with your observation: These so-called “non-proliferation” experts are, bluntly, nothing more than surrender monkeys tot he socialist causes they love and believe in. See, to them, NOTHING that a socialist state does can be wrong, and NOTHING that a democrat/republican/capitalist state does can be right. And these so-called experts and internationalists ARE who Hillary and Obama promote and populate the State Dept and DOD and DOE with ....

23 posted on 12/01/2011 7:09:42 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: hellbender

They are all real threats. It’s the strategy of assault from many and varied fronts, not just in uniforms.


24 posted on 12/01/2011 7:30:26 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: BobL; All

Read “New Lies for Old” (1984) by Anatoliy Golitsyn, a Soviet defector. His view is that differences between Russia and China were ironed out relatively early on, and that the rest of their “conflicts” were propaganda plays to fracture Western anti-communist resolve (good cop/bad cop).


25 posted on 12/01/2011 9:29:06 PM PST by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Robert A. Cook, PE.
26 posted on 12/02/2011 2:59:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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