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It's rather sad that the only candidates who actually take the small government position are the ones at the rear of the pack (and Mittens, who will probably just flip-flop on it the way he does on everything else).
1 posted on 12/01/2011 11:18:12 AM PST by Retro Llama
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To: Retro Llama

The redefining of the two sexes from male and female to omni-gendered beings is no small thing. When a male is also a female and a female is also a male, confusion reigns.

Under Trotsky/Lenin, the Soviet Union trod the fast-track to hell with gender-bending, destruction of the family, forced fornication-education (gender bending, if it feels good do it), free abortions, etc. America is falling into the same abyss.


2 posted on 12/01/2011 11:31:13 AM PST by spirited irish
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A really small government position would hold that the government shouldn’t interfere with you when you are robbing a convenience store.

There are limits to the validity of the small government position. It isn’t a moral absolute.

Speaking of moral absolutes...


3 posted on 12/01/2011 11:31:42 AM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: Retro Llama

I never see the argument that government should stay out of divorce.


6 posted on 12/01/2011 11:44:19 AM PST by lazypadawan
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To: Retro Llama
It's rather sad that the only candidates who actually take the small government position are the ones at the rear of the pack

Is this the best that your Log Cabin Friends can dream up?

8 posted on 12/01/2011 11:54:56 AM PST by aimhigh
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Government should get out of marriage, period. It’s religious institution.

However,the problem even with state’s rights on this is that one state will be forced to recognize gay marriage in another state with Full Faith and Credit provision of the constitution. DOMA is in a precarious situation both from a judicial and legislative point of view.

This will lead to government sanctioned and enforced gay marriage.


9 posted on 12/01/2011 11:58:59 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: Retro Llama

Actually, what is needed is for small-government conservatives to explain why opposition to “gay marriage” is a small government position. Specifically, government’s legitimate interest in marriage derives from supporting socially beneficial, natural, non-state institutions, to wit, marriage and the family. It is an expansion of government power for the government to arrogate to itself the purported authority to redefine the nature of a non-state institution simply by virtue of the fact that it had for socially beneficial reasons registered marriages and established laws regulating them (age of consent, laws governing divorce settlements and the like).

In the case of abortion, one can be consistently small-government, by supporting the return of the question of which instances of abortion are justifiable homicide (none, saving the life of the mother, saving the mother from severe disability, not obliging the mother to continue enduring the effects of violation by rape or incest, . . .) to the several states as the matter was before Roe v. Wade.


10 posted on 12/01/2011 12:01:29 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Retro Llama

Good topic. Marriage is a state issue, not a federal issue. Thus, if Massachusetts wants gay marriage, let them have it. The federal government should not define marriage, but should put laws in place to prevent a gay couple from getting married in one state and then forcing another state to recognize the marriage.


11 posted on 12/01/2011 12:03:07 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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really pathetic.

90% of the federal government is unconstitutional and these people want promote gay marriage as a conservative thing.

Simply pathetic.

To some perv libertarians the answer to everything is drugs and sex without restraint. They are not worth listening to as serious people.


14 posted on 12/01/2011 12:15:44 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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I can live with states making their own rules, so long as I can have a constitutional amendment at the federal level denying “full faith and credit” for these marriages in other states where the citizens want to prohibit them.

Otherwise, a single state can in fact dictate to all states what Marriage is, circumventing the rights of over states through the federal constitutional full faith and credit clause.

Also, clearly it should be prohibited for the federal government to grant any recognition of gay marriage. That’s not against limited government, but is in fact FOR limited government, in this case limiting the government from recognizing something most people still find undesirable.


15 posted on 12/01/2011 12:20:00 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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a federal marriage amendment IS smaller government.

homosexual based marriage is a government created construct.

the same as adoption is a government created construct.

by eliminating the construct of anything goes marriage, government is smaller.


17 posted on 12/01/2011 12:32:42 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Retro Llama

Marriage had been a state issue up until the time that the left-wing sought to undermine it as such and to use the court system in order to do so. Marriage, the age of consent, public decency laws, and all laws relating to sexuality in the public sphere have been handled at the state level.

The premise of limited government in American life has always included the ‘right to representation’ whereas these issues would be handled directly between the people and the representatives thus limiting the power of some unappointed judge from another state ordering you to accept some perversion such as homosexuality in your state without having any say on the matter.

It is the libertarians who have sided with the all out fascist left-wing in trying to force everyone to accept their perverted morality through use of the courts and an all out campaign of smearing anyone who disagrees with them.

The true limited government position is to support the people’s right to representation on the issue of marriage and to do whatever it takes to oppose the leftist fascist agenda of removing our right to representation through the courts. Even a federal marriage amendment is a small limited government position if it is being done to stop a fascist agenda that removes our right to representation on the issue.


18 posted on 12/01/2011 12:38:37 PM PST by TheBigIf
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The homosexual lobby swings both ways when it comes to states rights and limited government. If they win with federal law, they go that way. If they win with state law they go that way. Ignore their self-serving arguments, and do what is necessary to stop the gay agenda.


22 posted on 12/01/2011 1:44:58 PM PST by pallis
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To: Retro Llama
 
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--Thomas Jefferson
 
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26 posted on 12/01/2011 8:39:24 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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There would be no need for a Constitutional Amendment if sick perverts and their leftist/RINO/Libertarian assistants had stopped the homo-agenda years ago. The "heroes" opposing the Constitutional Amendment are all either Libertarian nutcases or socially liberal RINOs.

27 posted on 12/01/2011 8:54:42 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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Marriage isn't a state's rights issue because gay activist would never let it be. Look at just a few of the questions state-rights positions will hand over to our real masters, the ersatz kritocrats, aka Judiciary: Married homos move to another state. Does Virgina have to recognize a New York marriage.
Does a Arkansas corporation like Walmart have to recognize gay marriages in NY?
What about adoptions?

And then there is the issue of education. Your children's public school textbooks are written for CA, TX, FL and NY by liberals, if not leftists. They will learn gay marriage is better than straight marriage.

If you decide to stop fighting this issue, we will be talking about pets as spouses in a generation.

29 posted on 12/01/2011 9:03:46 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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Yawn. Sodomarriage has been imposed by big government types without any say from the people.

You're barking up the wrong tree here, noob.
34 posted on 12/01/2011 9:54:19 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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This is just a backdoor attempt by the perverted homosexuals. To force America to accept the perversion of homosexual marriage.


40 posted on 12/04/2011 6:35:44 PM PST by DMG2FUN
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The actual "less government" position is to get government out of licensing marriage completely.

Each couple should be able to write and sign their own marital contract, binding on only the two of them.

41 posted on 12/09/2011 10:27:44 PM PST by DNA.2012
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