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Justice Dept. details how it got statements wrong
Yahoo ^ | 12/2/11 | ap

Posted on 12/02/2011 2:32:00 PM PST by Nachum

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department has provided Congress with 1,364 pages of documents detailing how the department gave inaccurate information to a U.S. senator in the controversy surrounding Operation Fast and Furious, the flawed law enforcement initiative aimed at dismantling major arms trafficking networks on the Southwest border.

In a letter last February to Charles Grassley, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Justice Department said that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms had not knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser

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Friday night document dump!
1 posted on 12/02/2011 2:32:10 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 12/02/2011 2:33:39 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Buncha ass covering liars anyway.


3 posted on 12/02/2011 2:43:28 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Nachum
The flawed law enforcement initiative aimed at dismantling major arms trafficking networks on the Southwest border.

Oh sure, lets dismantle these violent cartels and arms traffickers, by allowing U.S. weapons to enter into the black hole of Mexico, never to be seen or tracked ever again.

Even those drooling in cups don't buy this.

Just more lies by the government politburo..

4 posted on 12/02/2011 2:44:22 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nachum

It took 1,364 pages of documents to say “we lied”?


5 posted on 12/02/2011 2:46:05 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: Nachum
Just to remind everybody Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean were prosecuted by Justice Department for failing to fill out forms on the scene of a shootout with a narcotrafficante.

The folks who provided the WRONG PAPERS to the Congress have committed a far greater crime.

They must be punished!

6 posted on 12/02/2011 2:48:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Nachum
Probably the thing that bothers me the most about all this is that Charles Grassley is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, if you know what I mean.

Yet, he is at least following the trail of crumbs on this case. There is that.

7 posted on 12/02/2011 2:49:05 PM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: Nachum
Comments at link are angry, people are waking up.

one of the comments

1364 pages to try to explain why inaccurate statements were made to Congress? I can sum it up in only a sentence; 'we tried to lie but the overwhelming evidence tripped us up'.

8 posted on 12/02/2011 2:49:47 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Nachum
None of this means anything unless we start putting these people in prison. And since THEY are in charge of who might go to prison, it's not likely to happen anytime soon.

ML/NJ

9 posted on 12/02/2011 2:50:12 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Mr. K

It didn’t, but that is the MO and how the corrupt government evade and deceive, by distraction, confusion, and long wordy convoluted explanations. All designed to kick up the dust of distraction and deception.


10 posted on 12/02/2011 2:52:23 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nachum

I’m getting the feeling nobody is going to be held accountable for these crimes.


11 posted on 12/02/2011 2:52:41 PM PST by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: Nachum

Funny how NO one wants any responsibility for this travisty,.


12 posted on 12/02/2011 2:53:50 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) No RINO's)
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To: MestaMachine

Ping of disgust...

post #4 sums it up nicely.


13 posted on 12/02/2011 3:02:22 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Nachum
It is unusual for the Justice Department to provide the details of its internal deliberations.

It sure as f#@* is!

And those details are certainly nowhere to be found in these 1,364 pages.

14 posted on 12/02/2011 3:06:54 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Nachum


15 posted on 12/02/2011 3:14:01 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ml/nj

Holder and his DOJ will never stand trial for anything they do as they know the media covers for them and as long as the media does not report this issue then they will feel no pressure.

Right after Holder dropped charges against the racist black panthers he should have been removed.


16 posted on 12/02/2011 3:21:37 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIAS LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: Nachum
When you can't tell the truth, baffle them with bulls**t Obama Manure.


17 posted on 12/02/2011 3:27:39 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Nachum
"that we will make a rare exception to the department's recognized protocols and provide you with information related to how the inaccurate information came to be included in the letter,"

How in the world can these people make this kind of statement with a straight face is beyond my comprehension. In no way does this excuse LYING TO AND INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING a congressional inquiry.

18 posted on 12/02/2011 3:29:44 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Nachum
"that we will make a rare exception to the department's recognized protocols and provide you with information related to how the inaccurate information came to be included in the letter,"

How in the world can these people make this kind of statement with a straight face is beyond my comprehension. In no way does this excuse LYING TO AND INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING a congressional inquiry.

19 posted on 12/02/2011 3:29:46 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Nachum

Remember Larry Sinclaire, the erratic homo accuser?

His claims 3 years ago were so utterly extreme that I didn’t even consider them —so crazy I felt put upon simply by having them in front of me:

Obama —back-set HOMO CRACK SMOKER, YEAH RIGHT..! Puh-leeze..!

But wait:

Lessay 14 months ago someone came to you saying, “The Prez will smuggle grenades and THOUSANDS of assault rifles to Mexy drug dealers, and he’ll do that in order to repeal the 2nd Amendment...”

What would you have though of THAT, huh? Far-fetched and utterly crazy, right? AND YET, VOILA..!

Think it over, now. Unlikely, sure but *UN-IMAGINABLE*...?

Does it really STILL seem totally impossible, the Prez getting serviced by a MAN, while smoking crack..?

WHO is your Prez? We do NOT know this man.


20 posted on 12/02/2011 3:41:09 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Nachum

Steadman is gone before Christmas


21 posted on 12/02/2011 3:46:59 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Nachum

These fascist pigs at AP sure know how to lie in order to cover up for their racist, Nazi masters.

The more accurate lead paragraph:

Congressional investigators have received incontrovertible evidence that President Obuma and his racist head of the Justice Department, Eric Holder, have lied to Congress about running assault weapons, grenades and .50 caliber machineguns to Mexican druglords. Druglords used these weapons to ambush and murder a US border patrol agent. Since obama began running illegal weapons into Mexico, the deaths of Mexican citizens have doubled, and that violence is spilling into the American Southwest.


22 posted on 12/02/2011 3:47:49 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Nachum
Glad to see Drudge on this, Current headline

DoJ makes 'rare exception' to explain deception...
Raises more questions about Fast & Furious...

23 posted on 12/02/2011 3:54:01 PM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk
Will Drudge keep them there for longer than 3 hours this time?

Also like his giant headline to this thread's article:

FRIDAY NIGHT DOCUMENT DUMP

24 posted on 12/02/2011 4:00:40 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Nachum

I can explain it in three word: “They friggin lied.”


25 posted on 12/02/2011 4:17:11 PM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
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To: Mr. K

“It took 1,364 pages of documents to say “we lied”?”

EXACTLY!


26 posted on 12/02/2011 4:39:07 PM PST by fujimoh
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To: opentalk; Nachum; MestaMachine
MM: In addition to the two Drudge articles in post #23...

ALL: Drudge has two more headlines up:

Justice Withdraws Inaccurate 'Fast And Furious' Letter It Sent To Congress

Issa says Holder ouster is up to White House

“(Mr. Holder) did not order this operation,” Mr. Issa said. “He didn’t demand they do something this stupid.” He said Mr. Holder should fix the problem and it was up to the White House to decide whether the attorney general should go.

Mr. Issa said congressional investigators had established that Fast and Furious was a “dumb program” and were now looking into a suspected “coverup” and also trying make sure a similar operation never happens again.

Is Issa preparing to be satisfied with Holder's "innocence"?

27 posted on 12/02/2011 4:40:18 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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“1,364 pages of documents detailing how the department gave inaccurate information to a U.S. senator in the controversy surrounding Operation Fast and Furious”

Oh boy.


28 posted on 12/02/2011 4:43:26 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: thouworm

Everywhere I have ever worked, and I have supervised many people, I was held accountable for my ‘team’. Even if Holder did not know what was going on he should lose his job for incompetence. In the real world that is exactly what would happen.


29 posted on 12/02/2011 4:52:33 PM PST by sheana
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To: thouworm

Holder didn’t order it. You know who did. Like a good nazi, he “just followed orders”. He is still complicit in MURDER, Issa. Murder. TWO agents, not just one. TWO! And many civilians, some of whom were ALSO Americans.
BOTH agents were compromised by these bastards...and one was possibly DELIBERATELY exposed by them.
They hung good nazis.


30 posted on 12/02/2011 5:07:41 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: sheana

He knew.


31 posted on 12/02/2011 5:08:53 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Not disagreeing with a word of your post, BUT read Issa’s quote again in my post. Issa will not go after Holder OR you-know-who.


32 posted on 12/02/2011 5:20:52 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

I pray that these no-integrity, America-hating louts will end up in Leavenworth...if not that, then, Hell. What shameless losers.


33 posted on 12/02/2011 5:26:51 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: thouworm

From my post:
“He is still complicit in MURDER, Issa. Murder.”

I agree with you.


34 posted on 12/02/2011 5:29:38 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: hal ogen

Do you remember that graphic of Obama & Holder behind bars that some freeper used to post? I have been keeping an eye out for that graphic for months to use every time I get pinged to a Fast & Furious article, but I have not seen it in a very long time.

They both belong behind bars, but there is not enough political will to hold them accountable for anything (and there is a long list from which to choose).


35 posted on 12/02/2011 5:36:39 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: MestaMachine
“1,364 pages of documents detailing how the department gave inaccurate information to a U.S. senator in the controversy surrounding Operation Fast and Furious” Oh boy.

Why hasn't anyone gone to jail or at least been arrested to this point?

36 posted on 12/02/2011 5:37:29 PM PST by JakeS (This would be a good time to read John chapter three 1-21)
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To: thouworm

That doesn’t sound good.


37 posted on 12/02/2011 5:49:09 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Nachum
No one DIED in Watergate. This Holder/Zero fiasco makes Nixon's Watergate look like a Sunday School Picnic.

I want Impeachment Articles like yesterday.
38 posted on 12/02/2011 6:07:33 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Nachum

and why did Scooter Libby go to jail again?


39 posted on 12/02/2011 6:18:30 PM PST by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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It took 1,364 pages of documents to say “we lied”?

I actually went and read the entire article. It never says how the lies were included.

40 posted on 12/02/2011 6:24:04 PM PST by Principled
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To: Nachum
Holder is suppose to testify before the House Judiciary Committee on Dec. 8, this letter seems to be a related maneuver.
41 posted on 12/02/2011 7:08:47 PM PST by opentalk
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To: muawiyah

Amen...frog marched with Holder in the lead...


42 posted on 12/02/2011 7:37:25 PM PST by Shady (The undeniable truth of the Obama Administration...The numbers do not lie.)
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To: Nachum

“It’s a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.”


43 posted on 12/02/2011 7:39:04 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Mr. K

“It took 1,364 pages of documents to say “we lied”?”

No, but anyone looking for truth must go through all those pages to find it.


44 posted on 12/02/2011 7:44:45 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Nachum

The need 1,354 pages to say they lied?


45 posted on 12/02/2011 7:51:13 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Mr. K
They have a fall guy, looks like it is to divert accountability off Holder and Obama, prior to his Dec 8 testimony to the House Judiciary Committee

The documents show that Dennis Burke, then a U.S. attorney who has since resigned, and William Hoover, then the deputy director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives who has since been reassigned, principally provided the false information to officials who drafted the letter. (From: Justice Department Reveals Origins Of False Gun Letter To Grassley

Last Friday's document dumped showed Obama met with Gary Grindler, the then-Deputy Attorney General and currently Holder's Chief of Staff, 4 times in 2010

From visitor logs:

---In early 2010, Gary Grindler was intimately involved in all aspects of Operation Fast and Furious. During the height of the operation, Grindler visited the President on four separate occasions in only two weeks --

thread link

46 posted on 12/02/2011 7:56:40 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Mr. K

yes


47 posted on 12/02/2011 8:22:01 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Joe Boucher

Funny how there aren’t a half million conservatives protesting in front of the justice department.


48 posted on 12/02/2011 9:37:20 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (To fix government, we need a rocket scientist. Oh, wait we have one!)
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An overwhelming dump of taxpayer funded confusion...


49 posted on 12/02/2011 9:43:18 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: Mr. K

They are Friggin’ lawyers and on top of that they are obastard Friggin’ lawyers. The only time they like is when their lips are moving.

What did you expect, the truth?


50 posted on 12/02/2011 10:07:42 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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