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Gingrich: Life Doesn't Begin at Conception Because That Would 'Open Up ... Very Difficult Questions'
CNS News ^ | 12/4/11 | By Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 12/04/2011 2:29:55 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks

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To: BarnacleCenturion
Gingrich had no business joining the Catholic church if he doesn’t agree with Catholic doctrine. Perhaps he should just leave. And I don’t think he’ll make any friends in the pro-life community with this talk that life begins at implantation.

Thank the Lord that it entirely possible to govern this country as a Constitutionalist, while at the same time trying to live one's life based on the teachings, vaules and opinions of the Catholic Church. Otherwise, a President Gingrich should be expected to award clemency to virutally every capital appeal that came across his desk, and to avoid military interventions like the one we engaged in in Afghanistan. Can't have it both ways.

101 posted on 12/04/2011 6:11:29 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: hocndoc
There is no “scientific” proof that there is a soul.

Precisely. This is a religious question and is therefore beyond the scope of the US Government to define.

What we have scientific proof of is that all mammalian life begins at fertilization.

Yep. It's right up there with proof of evolution.

Or did you just decide that Man really is nothing more than an animal?

102 posted on 12/04/2011 6:12:23 PM PST by null and void (This is day 1048 of America's ObamaVacation from reality.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Methinks that Gingrich needs to go back and talk to his Roman Catholic catechist group. Either he didn’t listen when he was going through RCIA, or they didn’t do a very good job.

Thank the Lord that it entirely possible to govern this country as a Constitutionalist, while at the same time trying to live one's life based on the teachings, vaules and opinions of the Catholic Church. Otherwise, a President Gingrich should be expected to award clemency to virutally every capital appeal that came across his desk, and to avoid military interventions like the one we engaged in in Afghanistan. Can't have it both ways.

103 posted on 12/04/2011 6:12:57 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Cicero
Notice, too, that the reason Gingrich takes this position, apparently, is so he can support fetal stem cell research.

Did you even read the article? He states that he is against this practice, and has always been so.

104 posted on 12/04/2011 6:14:55 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

The eye of Newt will implode, and the “angry old badger will appear for winter.


105 posted on 12/04/2011 6:15:59 PM PST by Lady on the Lake
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To: jupiterbob
Ultimately, since I don’t know the answer, I side in favor of life and support the “conception” position.

Yeah. Welcome to my world. I know it's somewhere between conception and ability to draw the first breath.

Better to err on the side of life, but...

106 posted on 12/04/2011 6:16:07 PM PST by null and void (This is day 1048 of America's ObamaVacation from reality.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Clint N. Suhks.


107 posted on 12/04/2011 6:17:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I will vote for NO candidate on ANY political party who supports illegals in any way.


108 posted on 12/04/2011 6:19:10 PM PST by packrat35 (Heartless)
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To: sharkhawk

The embryos are definitely created in a state of mortal danger. The danger is entered into by intentional acts, whether or not the parents or lab personnel understand (or “believe”).
If the child is begun for his or her own sake, as a means to an end in and of him/herself, and nurtured and cared for with respect as any other child, then there can be an argument for using the doctrine of unintended consequences or double effect.

But the standard would be high.

At the least, the doctors, parents and techs are guilty of manslaughter, just as you would be if someone died after a car crash when you choose to drive after a couple of drinks or skipping your car inspection, knowing your brakes don’t always work.


109 posted on 12/04/2011 6:19:19 PM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: hocndoc
Ask Governor Rick Perry the same question and he would have no trouble answering correctly. He understands the issue and helped us fight clone and kill bills in Texas in ‘05 and ever since.

Who knows what lip service he may or may not pay, but in fact he is pro-choice for states like Ron Paul and Gerald R. Ford, and he excepts the children of rape and incest victims from the equal protection of their God-given, unalienable right to live.

110 posted on 12/04/2011 6:20:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance (You might want to consider the distinct possibility that they are all wrong.)
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To: hocndoc; Cicero
I understand why Cicero used the term 'fetal stem cell"

...I know, as I'm sure he does, that adult stem cells have been proven very effective in treatments, while fetal or embryonic stem cells haven't.....and those of us who are prolife......do not support fetal stem cell research.

What I'm not sure of is what point you were trying to make???

111 posted on 12/04/2011 6:21:04 PM PST by Guenevere (....We press on.....)
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To: hocndoc

By the way, Perry has also promised to sign immoral, unconstitutional “fetal pain” legislation, given the chance.


112 posted on 12/04/2011 6:21:24 PM PST by EternalVigilance (You might want to consider the distinct possibility that they are all wrong.)
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To: null and void

Stupid straw man and a complete non-sequitor.

I can and do practice medicine based on evidence derived from verifiable, repeatable experiments. We can go anywhere in the world and find the same reaction to the same medications.

Again, what is implanted? Do the techs in either the in vitro lab or the embryonic stem cell lab just scoop up all the material in the petri dishes and hope they got a “live one?”


113 posted on 12/04/2011 6:23:55 PM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: RockinRight

“”one iota of difference on in how he votes on that legislation.””

He wouldn’t get to vote on any legislation!


114 posted on 12/04/2011 6:29:40 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Wonder Warthog

“”An ectopic pregnancy is one of the very few circumstances in which abortion is legitimately allowed (i.e. to save the mother’s life).””

An ectopic pregnancy can be ended by spontaneous abortion - or surgically. I was lucky enough to get to the operating room as the tube ruptured. Not a pleasant experience but I never thought of it as an abortion.


115 posted on 12/04/2011 6:34:12 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush

Veto or sign.


116 posted on 12/04/2011 6:35:10 PM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Maybe you should fire the "scheduler" who told you this.

Perry signed the Texas fetal pain law in 2005.

It is not perfect but it has punished several murderers and been the impetus for the conversation that changed the minds of several non-pro-life Freepers and acquaintances.

Our prenatal law is better than we could have gotten if we had insisted on including prosecution of the mother and doctor for currently legal elective abortion. It was a step to this year's law that did not have the rape and incest exception and the hoped for Human Life Amendment.

117 posted on 12/04/2011 6:39:15 PM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: null and void
Show me any scientific evidence of when the soul enters the body.

Since there is no such proof, then you are not a human person either under current law.

118 posted on 12/04/2011 6:41:16 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out!)
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To: hocndoc
Stupid straw man and a complete non-sequitor.

I'm not quite sure of what you mean by a straw man and a non sequitur.

Is it a straw man or a non sequitur to point out the the US government has no Constitutional authority to define a spiritual event? Or is it both?

It seems to me the question is exactly on point.

Is it a straw man, a non sequitur or just stupid to agree with you that mammalian life begins at conception? Did I err in noticing that to use this as the sole criteria means that a human is spiritually no different than any other mammal?

Do the techs in either the in vitro lab or the embryonic stem cell lab just scoop up all the material in the petri dishes and hope they got a “live one?”

Nope, they use the exact same techniques they use to genetically engineer better pigs.

We are better than pigs because we have souls.

Show me when exactly a soul picks up a body.

119 posted on 12/04/2011 6:42:11 PM PST by null and void (This is day 1048 of America's ObamaVacation from reality.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
With Cain out, we are left with only 2 candidates who are to the right of GW Bush. Likewise, in 2008 we went in to the primaries with only 2 candidates to Bush's right. (Actually, now that I think about it I'm not even sure Fred was right of Bush). Anyway, my point is that no one to Bush's right can get any traction whatsoever.

Is this because our country is finished or is it because the msm has sharpened its game so well that it can easily destroy true Conservatives?

120 posted on 12/04/2011 6:42:24 PM PST by rhinohunter (Not voting for RINO Romney...no way...no how)
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