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To: MD Expat in PA; wagglebee; little jeremiah
Whether you really are an MD, or you just signed up to play one on FR, you're dishonest.

I don’t think the “State” and certainly the POTUS is qualified to decide matters of birth control; abortion

Birth control, or contraception, prevents conception, by definition. Methods that destroy the already-created human person are not contraception, they are chemical weapons of warfare against the weakest and most helpless among us.

The President of the United States, and every officer of government in this country, at every level, in every branch, as per the requirement of Article Six, Section Three, have sworn before God and their fellow citizens to support the Constitution, which explicitly and imperatively requires the equal protection of every person within their jurisdictions.

It is not until around 7 to up to 16 days later, around the same time that implantation occurs, that the father’s genetic code is fully passed to the blastocyst.

Life is a continuum. It reproduces after its kind. Always has, and always will, while this creation lasts. From fertilization, or biological inception, or creation, the genetic code is there, permanently joined with the DNA of the mother into a new, unique individual. This is self-evident, regardless of any intellectual excuses you desire to find to obtain a license to kill. If it wasn't, it could never manifest itself.

There are other deceptions in your post, which I may address later in the day as I have the opportunity or the inclination.

182 posted on 12/05/2011 7:32:19 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Exceptions opened the door to abortion on demand, and they are the means for keeping it open.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Whether you really are an MD, or you just signed up to play one on FR, you're dishonest.

Where did I ever claim to be an MD as in a medical doctor? FYI, the MD in my screen name refers to originally being from MD as in Maryland and now living in PA as in Pennsylvania. I am not being dishonest, you are just reading into things that just aren’t there and have never been claimed.

Birth control, or contraception, prevents conception, by definition. Methods that destroy the already-created human person are not contraception, they are chemical weapons of warfare against the weakest and most helpless among us.

So I gather then you are not against condoms, vasectomies, tubal ligation or other forms of birth control but are you just against birth control pills? Do birth control pills really destroy an already created human person? I guess that all depends on your understanding of human biology and how the pill works.

The pill works primarily by stopping the woman’s body from releasing an egg from the ovary in the first place. The hormonal changes from taking the pill also make it difficult for the sperm to find an egg by changing the cervical mucus – if no egg is released or the sperm can’t find the egg, then no fertilization occurs ever occurs. Therefore the pill prevents conception therefore making it a contraceptive.

The hormones in some birth control pills also prevent pregnancy by making the lining of the womb inhospitable for implantation, so one may argue that if the fertilized egg isn’t able to implant and if the fertilized egg, not having been fully integrated with the father’s DNA from second one to around 7 days after fertilization, is really distinct human being at that point, then one might say the pill then is a “chemical warfare weapon”. But consider all the other factors that routinely and naturally prevent a fertilized egg from implanting; do you consider all of them abortions or miscarriages or murder too? Do you really want every woman who suffers an early miscarriage to be subject to a possible criminal investigation?

The President of the United States, and every officer of government in this country, at every level, in every branch, as per the requirement of Article Six, Section Three, have sworn before God and their fellow citizens to support the Constitution, which explicitly and imperatively requires the equal protection of every person within their jurisdictions.

So you would have the POTUS ban all or just some forms of birth control as illegal punishable by law? Tell me what forms of birth control you would have be made a federal offence and under what circumstances? Do you also extend the imperative of equal protection of every “person” within their jurisdictions” to the children of illegals or convicts on death row – after all, are they not “people” too?

Life is a continuum. It reproduces after its kind. Always has, and always will, while this creation lasts. From fertilization, or biological inception, or creation, the genetic code is there, permanently joined with the DNA of the mother into a new, unique individual. This is self-evident, regardless of any intellectual excuses you desire to find to obtain a license to kill. If it wasn't, it could never manifest itself.

There are other deceptions in your post, which I may address later in the day as I have the opportunity or the inclination.

Where did I ever say it was OK to kill a fetus, an unborn baby in the womb? Where in my post was I being deceptive? The biological truth is that while cell division takes place shortly after fertilization, the unique individual and a viable pregnancy is not realized until the father’s DNA is fully transferred and the zygote is implanted in the mother’s uterus. Fanciful ideas about “God knowing us” long before we were even conceived long before our parents even met are all fine and good if that’s what you believe but that is not supported by science.

I am absolutely pro-life and opposed to abortion for anything other than saving the life of the mother in extreme cases. I do not however equate all forms of birth control as murder as some here do. The problem with the position of equating birth control methods with abortion is that it makes it very difficult for those of us who are pro-life based on science and the Constitutional rights of the individual rather than unscientific and purely religious beliefs to make a case to protect the life of babies growing in the womb. If you criminalize the pill and all other forms of contraception and make responsible doctors, pharmacists and their patients, criminals for trying to prevent conception, you may actually and unintentionally increase the number of abortions of truly viable fetuses, i.e. human babies.

186 posted on 12/05/2011 11:44:50 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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