Posted on 12/06/2011 3:32:36 PM PST by Kaslin
One of the more intriguing aspects of the end of the war was the part played by Aristotle Onassis ~ he bought up Liberty ships, converted them to more civilian use, and shipped about 20 million Japanese people from Manchuria to Brazil for settlement in the South.
Anybody who tells you that you can't move 11 million illegal aliens from the US to Mexico is probably not aware of what Aristotle did.
I know a gentleman (Japanese American) who participated in relocating Japanese army units from throughout China to disembarkation areas in coastal cities.
For a short while he had effective command of the largest Japanese army under one "commander" in history. He had the name to go with that exalted status as well. His secret was simple ~ he could speak enough Japanese to tell the existing army field structure what to do, when to do it, and where to head.
After the war he devoted himself to the pursuit of peace ~
Spraties = Spratly Islands, South China Sea, etc.
Basically now we’re 1938, or so, all over again, but this time Japan is China, Japan is (sort of) China, and we are somewhat poorer.
Japan could not attack Malaya and/or the Dutch East Indies with the Philippines on their flank. We would have been in a position to strangle their supply lines with aircraft from the PI.
The US would have treated a Japanese attack on only Malaya and the DEI as a cause for war, it is still a direct threat to the Philippines.
They have nothing to gain from just occupying French islands, because they do not have any oil. Oil to feed the Army’s war in China was the reason for the war. Oil they lost when they provoked the US, Britain and The Netherlands by occupying French Indo-China
They had no reason to attack us only, because that still would have meant war with Britain and The Netherlands. If we are attacked, they then know who is next.
How about Roosevelt and Truman's working with USSR to leave them controlling Eastern Europe? That is more relevent.
Japan and Germany had to be stopped so second guessing that war start is non-productive.
This quote is taken out of context. The people at that meeting were discussing what their standing orders to various commanders at American installations around the Pacific theater based on the intelligence that indicated that their was a very strong likelihood that the Japanese might stage an attack. They therefore instructed that the posts should be put on high alert (I’m not sure if that’s the technical term), but to avoid firing the first shot in the case of aggressive action by the Japs so that America could claim the moral high ground. Having a clear-cut case to take to the American people was very important in those days.
My uncle was on the aircraft carrier, USS Lexington in 1941. It was stationed at Pearl Harbor in December, 1941. All at once they were ordered to leave on Dec. 5 together with 2 other carriers. My uncle was planning on going out to diner when he got word to report back to the ship. This was totally unexpected and considering what happened on Dec. 7 he has always wondered if somebody did know something was up.
there were government-inspired demonstrations in Japan when the TR-brokered treaty ended the Russo-Japanese War. The Japanese understood that the US saved the Russians from a total KO in the Far East. Like a boxing referee calling a standing eight the TR administation guaranteed a hostile Russia would remain at Japan's back.
I know practically nothing about this person, but I have a feeling he's an old time U.S. history revisionist, not of the pro-America crowd.
Can anyone add a bit of history? I avoid the pro-revisionist google sources.
*THAT* was far easier said, than done, Mr. Knox...
the infowarrior
Nagumo did not have the fuel to stay for a third strike. Not with the US Navy’s carriers lurking about somewhere.
Even had he launched a third strike and successfully gotten through the now alert AA fire. He would have only bought Japan a few extra months, at best.
It does not take that long, using three shifts, to fabricate new oil storage tanks and pipes and rush them to Hawaii. Not when they are the number one priority for the US Navy.
I’ll put it this way, Japan could have sunk every US Navy ship in the Pacific and we would have come back three years later with a fleet four times as big.
Take a look at this page comparing shipbuilding and aircraft construction figures for 1941-1945:
http://www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm
Japan lost the war the moment she decided to go to war.
USS Lexington (CV-2) was ordered on December 5th to rush Marine aircraft to Midway because of the deteriorating situation with Japan and the expected attacks on The Dutch East Indies, Malaya, and The Philippines.
The Japanese needed access to the closest oil supply located in the Dutch East Indies. That meant they needed bases in French Indochina, the Kra Peninsula (Thailand-Burma) & Singapore. That meant war with the Britsh Commonwealth and probably the US because their oil shipments would go right by the US bases in the Philippines.
War Plan Orange was built around a naval relief of the Philippines staged through the Hawaiian Islands. Yamamoto in true Samurai fashion flipped War Plan Orange on its head by attacking PH first, buying time for everything else.
He was a navigator aboard a USN patrol bomber - a big flying boat (Martin Mariner / PBM). The squadron was activated late in the war and most of the men had low rotation points by VJ Day, so instead of being mustered-out, they were sent into China to help preserve the truce between the Nationalists and the Communists. There were Marines sent into China as well... don't know about Army.
That effort apparently didn't last long, but one of the things that squadron did while there was send a plane into Vietnam to rescue a French diplomat, right around the end of the year.
my grandmother, Ohio Taft supporter, believed we did by cutting off their oil supply
Historians daintily sidestep the fundamental question of exactly WHEN the Japanese code was broken. If the War Dept. knew the exact details of the attack, then FDR did indeed sacrifice the lives of our men in Hawaii to get into the war. He covered his tracks well and still has people and institutions running interference for him..
Reading any good history of Imperial Japan after WW I would present clearly that Japan had determined to follow a military expansionist policy for their future development. The only controversy was who they were going to pick a fight with. The ‘Strike North” faction thought it should be the Soviet Union and the “Strike South” faction thought it should be U.S., Netherlands, and Great Britain. The outside world was still uncertain enough about how the issue had been resolved that the Soviet Union required confirmation from its spy in Japan Richard Sorge that they were not planning to attack before Stalin released his Eastern divisions to oppose Hitler’s invasion. In this country ever more overt signs of their belligerency called forth ever more stringent diplomatic responses. Pat Buchanan joins the “Strike South” faction in interpreting these as provocations.
The other four American carriers were in the Atlantic.
USS Lexington was close enough to the Japanese strike force so that it might conceivably on a longshot have spotted or been spotted by the Japanese, but neither force was launching recon patrols. The Lexington's deck was full of Marine aircraft that could fly off, but whose flight crews were not trained to land on carriers. The Japanese weren't flying recon because they were trying to sneak up on Pearl Harbor, and any American warship or merchantmen spotting and reporting a Japanese aircraft in the middle of nowhere would have tipped their hand.
If your uncle is still with us, pass along my thanks for his service to our country.
Read your book and like it, and understand the context of the liberal lies.
However, beyond the marxist/liberal bent on this, there has been several scholarly works on military intel (particulary British codebreaking of jap naval codes and the comm, and lack of comm, with FDR and others in our military) with various facts that point to intentional neglect on the part of FDR.
Without going into a lot of detail, had family in the know in submarine service at the time— they had shoot to kill orders in Oct. 1941- and a whole host of other orders and negligent behaviour of DC Navy command/FDR convinced him that this was all manipulated to occur, and to cost lives. Also placed it firmly at the feet of the “limeys” and their knowledge of the jap fleet, supplied to FDR and not acted upon.
To his dying day he said this was what happened, and clearly knew why. Went through a lot as a result as many did. Now rests with full honors at Arlington, and will be remembered tomorrow.
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