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Pentagon admits Iranian TV footage DOES show U.S. stealth drone..but insists it WASN'T shot down
UK Daily Mail ^ | 12/8/2011 | MARK DUELL

Posted on 12/08/2011 7:39:16 PM PST by SMCC1

Mystery surrounds how American's most sophisticated spy plane was captured by Iran after it was paraded on Iranian state television earlier today in mint condition.

Iran claims the lost RQ-170 Sentinel was on a surveillance mission last week when it was detected by Iranians over Kashmar and was downed by their armed forces.

But the fact the drone is in such good shape contradicts Iran's claim it was shot down - and backs up U.S. claims that Tehran did not bring it down through electronic, cyber or any other means.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2071741/Is-downed-U-S-stealth-drone-Iranian-TV-airs-footage-military-officials-inspecting-craft.html#ixzz1g0LLMLpg

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cia; drone; iran; nuclear
The earlier ABC report on here said it was a fake...this one says it's real...
1 posted on 12/08/2011 7:39:32 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: SMCC1

?

Didn’t they say it was a fake photo because the drone was probably in many peices?

Now they say this.... weird


2 posted on 12/08/2011 7:43:24 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

It’s an op. Keep them guessing. That would be the best face on it. Say, maybe some kind of EMP weapon that would screw up their intel lab.

Or is a massive screw up, leading to the question— why don’t these things have scuttling charges to blow them up, just like an errant missle.


3 posted on 12/08/2011 7:46:32 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SMCC1

Greta just showed a brief clip of it and it does look real and in very good shape.


4 posted on 12/08/2011 7:47:48 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: SMCC1

I thought they said it was designed to land on its own if it got lost.

In any case, looks like we’ve handed the islamderthals some more technology.


5 posted on 12/08/2011 7:47:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: cripplecreek

“I thought they said it was designed to land on its own if it got lost.”

Yes, I heard the same thing but my brain tried to block it out.

The most brilliant idea in history - something you design to fly over enemy territory is also designed to land on its own if it gets lost. Sometimes I think I’m living in a Monty Python world.


6 posted on 12/08/2011 7:53:54 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: GeronL

?

Didn’t they say it was a fake photo because the drone was probably in many peices?

Now they say this.... weird

No, it’s the Obama Admin no one knows but everyone has the answer , yes ,no ,maybe D’oh


7 posted on 12/08/2011 7:54:42 PM PST by molson209
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To: eyedigress

Looked a little like a flying edsel.


8 posted on 12/08/2011 7:58:54 PM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SMCC1.


9 posted on 12/08/2011 7:59:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SMCC1

Anybody recall this from a couple of months ago?

Get Hacked, Don’t Tell: Drone Base Didn’t Report Virus

Officials at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada knew for two weeks about a virus infecting the drone “cockpits” there. But they kept the information about the infection to themselves — leaving the unit that’s supposed to serve as the Air Force’s cybersecurity specialists in the dark. The network defenders at the 24th Air Force learned of the virus by reading about it in Danger Room.


10 posted on 12/08/2011 8:02:58 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: SMCC1

Anybody recall this from a couple of months ago?

Get Hacked, Don’t Tell: Drone Base Didn’t Report Virus

Officials at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada knew for two weeks about a virus infecting the drone “cockpits” there. But they kept the information about the infection to themselves — leaving the unit that’s supposed to serve as the Air Force’s cybersecurity specialists in the dark. The network defenders at the 24th Air Force learned of the virus by reading about it in Danger Room.


11 posted on 12/08/2011 8:03:08 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: SMCC1

Americans do like to hire traitors as Presidents..
Pinochet had the answer for handling a populace brain washed by communists..
He killed the bad seed(as a group) and gave Chile a restart.. then stepped away from politics,..

He should be a Hero, instead of Che Guevara..
Chile is the strongest government and economy in Latin America.. till this day..


12 posted on 12/08/2011 8:03:48 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: John S Mosby
"Or is a massive screw up, leading to the question— why don’t these things have scuttling charges to blow them up, just like an errant missle."

I'd think so -- but apparently it's programmed to land safely if it's operators lose contact with it. I guess that program works OK when they're testing in California....

Then Zero refused to let the military blow it up after it landed.

13 posted on 12/08/2011 8:04:22 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SMCC1

Americans do like to hire traitors as Presidents..
Pinochet had the answer for handling a populace brain washed by communists..
He killed the bad seed(as a group) and gave Chile a restart.. then step away from politics,..


14 posted on 12/08/2011 8:05:45 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: SMCC1

Fake but accurate?


15 posted on 12/08/2011 8:06:05 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: Sooth2222

I know this is easy for me to say, not being in charge or on the spot, but if I had been the admiral in charge of that task group, I would have ordered the damn thing destroyed regardless of the damage to my career. I can’t imagine they didn’t know where it landed.

China and Russia are going to be in a bidding war for that thing and the only thing that is certain is that America loses.

Un-fricking-believable...


16 posted on 12/08/2011 8:12:12 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: SMCC1
Here's what I think happened (since we will never really know anyway....< adjusts tin foil hat >)

We did lose contact with a drone. Maybe it was "jammed" (there were reports last year that some of the's things were operating in "the clear"), maybe it was coincidence. Either way, whatever some think the drone was programmed for, it still wound up a smoking heap in Iran.
Iran on the other hand has a good idea what fell out of the sky and proclaims to have hacked our signal and land the bird, why, just look at that piece of crap..--., er, I mean recovered drone they are displaying! It's proof of persian 1337 prowess and awesome acquired mexican bondo technique.

tl;dr
We lost a bird, Iran is posturing with dumb luck.

17 posted on 12/08/2011 8:13:26 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Ronin

We can hope the CIA is screwing with the Iranians by sending them a dummy drone and if not, it is nuts that they did not use the self destruct mechanism.


18 posted on 12/08/2011 8:15:43 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his own internet domain name, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: SMCC1
“...most sophisticated spy plane...”? Not even a bad guess. There is nothing sophisticated about these - they were designed with the likelihood of having them fall into enemy hands in mind, so there is NO sensitive technology included in their make-up. Frankly, the joke may be on the Iranians when power up the on-board software and begin to do some analysis and end up corrupting their entire military computer network.
19 posted on 12/08/2011 8:15:43 PM PST by stormer
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To: SMCC1
“...most sophisticated spy plane...”? Not even a bad guess. There is nothing sophisticated about these - they were designed with the likelihood of having them fall into enemy hands in mind, so there is NO sensitive technology included in their make-up. Frankly, the joke may be on the Iranians when power up the on-board software and begin to do some analysis and end up corrupting their entire military computer network.
20 posted on 12/08/2011 8:15:54 PM PST by stormer
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To: Ronin

That’s why you aren’t an Admiral. Are you familiar with Br’er Rabbit?


21 posted on 12/08/2011 8:20:46 PM PST by stormer
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To: I cannot think of a name

Must have been designed by men. If it was designed by a woman, it would have landed when it got lost...but it would ask for directions.


22 posted on 12/08/2011 8:21:05 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Must have been designed by men. If it was designed by a woman, it would have landed when it got lost...but it would ask for directions.


23 posted on 12/08/2011 8:21:05 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Yup, I do...It circulated for 2-3 days then vanished. Few weeks later, a story popped up on /. about the “virus” actually being enforcement code (code watching the running code). Then, it all just went away.


24 posted on 12/08/2011 8:27:46 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: John S Mosby

Actually, the uav does have sde capability. It will be taken back to the appropriate facility and inspected by the appropriate iht, then mission accomplished! TMH for the new world.


25 posted on 12/08/2011 8:30:49 PM PST by Torquay
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To: Torquay

Allah Akbhar! Outstanding, and hope they are still tracking with passive RF or something (no need to tell the world about that). Sure hope they blow the crap out of them.


26 posted on 12/08/2011 8:37:11 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Boiler Plate

Thanks for the Danger Room site. I went there and the first article was about how this administration is brain washing (re-training)our homeland anti-terrorist groups that our real enemies are not our enemies.


27 posted on 12/08/2011 8:40:54 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Ronin

Better to seek forgiveness.


28 posted on 12/08/2011 8:45:07 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: SMCC1

This is not the drone you are looking for...

29 posted on 12/08/2011 8:47:20 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: John S Mosby; molson209

I think the White House are the ones left guessing


30 posted on 12/08/2011 8:56:20 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: SMCC1

I think ABC says it’s fake so it doesn’t make Obama look like an incompetent buffoon.


31 posted on 12/08/2011 8:56:27 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Sooth2222

It’s my understanding that they are programmed to return to the site where they were launched in the event command signals are lots. If it landed in Iran, I would bet that someone hacked the communications link and took control of the drone.


32 posted on 12/08/2011 8:57:07 PM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: SMCC1
It was a Ķwãäņzå gift from Obamadinejad.
33 posted on 12/08/2011 9:28:39 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: GeronL

Too true. Just now heard yet another radio report on this and it described “pres” was given option of sending a team in but said no, because it would be considered an act of war— if anyone believes that they are nuts. Send a team in for a drone you can order destroyed.

That part they won’t discuss. There is more to this than the coverage obviously, and not because obambi is so clever.


34 posted on 12/08/2011 9:32:06 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby

Even if they can’t destroy the hardware, they should have at least wiped the computers or something. If they know where it is, they should send a cruise missile or another drone to blow it up.


35 posted on 12/08/2011 9:43:17 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: SMCC1

Maybe the drone hit a flying carpet?


36 posted on 12/08/2011 9:56:09 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: stormer

Yes I am, and if you’re right, that would be pretty neat. Alas, I doubt it.

No, I strongly suspect this is exactly what it appears to be. A screw up of absolutely mind-boggling proportions.


37 posted on 12/08/2011 10:40:51 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: aposiopetic

“Fake but accurate?”

Fast and Furious?


38 posted on 12/08/2011 11:03:48 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: Ronin

Not a screw up at all. Assets are lost all the time during operations - that is the expectation, and those are planned for both on the front and back ends.


39 posted on 12/08/2011 11:17:27 PM PST by stormer
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To: SMCC1

Of course it wasnt shot down. Probably delivered straight from the O administration, by the US mail.


40 posted on 12/08/2011 11:25:01 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: stormer

Well, let’s hope so anyhow. Maybe they blew the electronics in such a way as to keep them from being salvaged, but if what’s being shown is the real thing, we’ve lost a lot of stealth technology that is going to be reverse engineered by somebody.


41 posted on 12/09/2011 12:52:38 AM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: SMCC1

The drone looks to be the real deal.
(Look at their insult to US of the desecration of our flag - on the wall behind the ragheads soldiers.)


42 posted on 12/09/2011 1:15:47 AM PST by Las Vegas Dave (The DemocRATic party preys on the ignorant!)
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To: I cannot think of a name
The most brilliant idea in history - something you design to fly over enemy territory is also designed to land on its own if it gets lost. Sometimes I think I’m living in a Monty Python world.

Not just land on its own, but return to base.

"The official said the possibility that the Iranians or someone else hacked into the drone’s satellite communications is doubly alarming because it would mean that Iranian or other cyber-warfare officers were able to disable the Sentinel’s automatic self-destruct, holding pattern and return-to-base mechanisms. Those are intended to prevent the plane’s secret flight control, optical, radar, surveillance and communications technology from falling into the wrong hands if its controllers at Creech Lake Air Force Base or the Tonopah Test Range, both in Nevada, lose contact with it."

Iran Shows Off Downed U.S. Spy Drone on TV
43 posted on 12/09/2011 6:53:08 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: SMCC1

It’s a fake, we have satellite photos of the crash site to prove it. Besides, the RQ-170 doesn’t have an intake grill. It’s all here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2817979/posts


44 posted on 12/09/2011 8:39:20 AM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: Ronin

There’s no stealth technology in that UAV and the electronics are off the shelf - that’s my point - this is not a big deal. We lost an asset that was designed to be expendable and dumped into the lap of the enemy.


45 posted on 12/09/2011 9:02:58 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

Exactly, the entire purpose to even having a UAV is to have a platform that can go into high-risk-of-being-shot-down areas.

With that in mind, you would only put technology on board that the enemy can’t use or obtain in other ways.


46 posted on 12/09/2011 9:23:47 AM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gandalftb

There sure are a lot of hand wringing bed-wetters around here...


47 posted on 12/09/2011 9:41:14 AM PST by stormer
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To: SMCC1

Don’t discount the possibility of a controller of the craft being a closeted Muslim...


48 posted on 12/09/2011 10:13:49 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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