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Palestinians slam Gingrich as "ignorant"
CBS News ^ | 12/10/2011 | Staff

Posted on 12/10/2011 9:40:02 AM PST by Scanian

JERUSALEM - Palestinian officials are reacting with dismay to Republican presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich's statement that they are an "invented" people.

The Jewish Channel on Friday released excerpts of an interview in which the former House Speaker said Palestinians were not a people because - unlike Israelis - they never had a state.

"Remember, there was no Palestine as a state," Gingrich said. "It was part of the Ottoman Empire.

"I think we have invented the Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs and who are historically part of the Arab community, and they had a chance to go to many places, and for a variety of political reasons, we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s. It's tragic."

Palestinian official Nabil Abu Rdeneh on Saturday described Gingrich's comments as "unfortunate" and called him "ignorant".

The Palestinian prime minister, Salam Fayyad, demanded Gingrich "review history."

"From the beginning, our people have been determined to stay on their land," Fayyad said in comments carried by the Palestinian news agency Wafa. "This, certainly, is denying historical truths."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arabs; invention; newt; newtgingrich; ottomans
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1 posted on 12/10/2011 9:40:05 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Guess the truth hurts.


2 posted on 12/10/2011 9:41:16 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Scanian

The Speaker is correct.


3 posted on 12/10/2011 9:42:01 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Scanian
"Remember, there was no Palestine as a state," Gingrich said. "It was part of the Ottoman Empire.

"I think we have invented the Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs and who are historically part of the Arab community...

One more reason to vote for Gingrich... he knows the truth ...

4 posted on 12/10/2011 9:43:50 AM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: Scanian

That cinches it! Newt is the one!


5 posted on 12/10/2011 9:46:22 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Scanian

The Newt is correct on them thar Pallies............


6 posted on 12/10/2011 9:47:59 AM PST by yoe
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To: BenLurkin

Newt finally called a spade a Fakestinian. LOL!!!


7 posted on 12/10/2011 9:49:01 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Scanian

“We are determined to conquer the world and we intend to kill, maim, rape, behead and plunder all Jew and Christian infidels and countries as we go! May Allah Obama be blessed for delivering the USA into our blood-soaked hands!”


8 posted on 12/10/2011 9:49:17 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Scanian
Palestinians slamAmericans applaud Gingrich as "ignorant" "candid", "clear" and "correct".
9 posted on 12/10/2011 9:49:17 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Scanian

That does it for me!


10 posted on 12/10/2011 9:50:52 AM PST by FES0844
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To: Scanian

Yep, what he said, the truth hurts..


11 posted on 12/10/2011 9:51:19 AM PST by cardinal4 (Herman Cain is still my candidate..)
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To: Scanian

This must mean that Gingrich is against the two-state solution. One democratic state that would do it if he could make people disappear.


12 posted on 12/10/2011 9:54:57 AM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Doc Savage

“Sybil” Gingrich recently stated ~ 300 pages of Obamacare is OK.

With Sybill, you never know which Gringrich will show up.


13 posted on 12/10/2011 9:55:49 AM PST by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: Doc Savage

“Sybil” Gingrich recently stated ~ 300 pages of Obamacare is OK.

With Sybill, you never know which Gingrich will show up.


14 posted on 12/10/2011 9:55:56 AM PST by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: Scanian

Gonna call for a fatwa on him now because he said something you didn’t like? Isn’t that the Muslim way...kill those who threaten your world view?


15 posted on 12/10/2011 9:56:13 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Doc Savage

Unless he´s intimidated out of it.


16 posted on 12/10/2011 9:56:35 AM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: yoe

Think it might ever occur to the Death-to-America-Kill-the-Jews Beard & Burka crowd that every muzzie threat against Mr. Newt will translate like magic into thousands of infidel votes for the Republican candidate?

Probably not. Newt should plan a speaking engagement in Dearbornistan. The resulting riots will help propel him to victory.

Omar & Achmed seem to have forgotten that the Great Satan is just that for a reason.


17 posted on 12/10/2011 9:57:40 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: newfreep

Please tell us what’s in the 300 pages he said were OK.


18 posted on 12/10/2011 9:57:49 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: GOPJ

That boosted Gingrich in my estimation too.


19 posted on 12/10/2011 9:59:30 AM PST by meatloaf (I've had it with recycling politicians in any way shape or form. Toss 'em out!)
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To: Scanian

These ignorant Philistines use a map that does not have the country of Israel on it.


20 posted on 12/10/2011 10:00:43 AM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: newfreep

That’s true. How much is posturing?


21 posted on 12/10/2011 10:01:22 AM PST by meatloaf (I've had it with recycling politicians in any way shape or form. Toss 'em out!)
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To: Scanian

We are the furthest thing from ignorant. We are onto the Muzzie scam. How you are stupid and inbred enough to follow a false prophet who was sick sadistic mass murderer. You are the ignorant and stupid individuals.


22 posted on 12/10/2011 10:01:35 AM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: Scanian
"The Palestinian prime minister, Salam Fayyad, demanded Gingrich "review history.""

Gingrich has a Ph.D. in Modern European History from Tulane University. I believe he has reviewed quite a bit of history.

23 posted on 12/10/2011 10:03:34 AM PST by magellan
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To: newfreep

[ “Sybil” Gingrich recently stated ~ 300 pages of Obamacare is OK. With Sybill, you never know which Gingrich will show up. ]

And all the other pages of a multi thousand page document ARE WRONG..
You sound like a democrat.. too lazy to read any of them(pages)..

300 pages could be good stuff, poisoned by 10,000 pages of other stuff..
I say this... knowing YOU will not read ANY OF IT..


24 posted on 12/10/2011 10:04:10 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: elcid1970
Think it might ever occur to the Death-to-America-Kill-the-Jews Beard & Burka crowd that every muzzie threat against Mr. Newt will translate like magic into thousands of infidel votes for the Republican candidate?

It must have. Where are the threats in the article?

25 posted on 12/10/2011 10:05:55 AM PST by x
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To: Scanian
"I think we have invented the Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs and who are historically part of the Arab community

Spot on. And Arabs need to go back to Arabia, where they came from, and stop trying to take over the world. It's so ridiculous: They'd have you believe they've always been in Israel, always been in Constantinople, that they invented algebra, etc. All lies. The truth hurts, indeed. So refreshing to see someone of Newt's stature finally speaking it.

26 posted on 12/10/2011 10:06:48 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Scanian
During the war surrounding the Jewish state's creation in 1948, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled, or were forced to flee their homes.

Gingrich's reasoning was popular in the decades following Israel's creation, although that argument has since fallen out of favor among mainstream Israelis.

Wasn't it also the case that many Jews were expelled from Arab countries at the same time?

And whether the argument is popular in Israel is irrelevant. Is it a fact or not? Could the "Palestinians" or the pro-Palestinian journalist who wrote the article, please cite the evidence to refute Gingrich's argument? Nope.

27 posted on 12/10/2011 10:09:11 AM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Scanian

“Invented!”


28 posted on 12/10/2011 10:10:25 AM PST by cranked
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To: hosepipe

Sybil Gingrich has not been specific on what parts of Obamacare are good.

I want the whole damn thing repealed and TOTALLY eliminated.

With Sybil’s recent posturing for amnesty, he/she is just another big govt socialist.


29 posted on 12/10/2011 10:12:28 AM PST by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: newfreep; xzins; wmfights; blue-duncan
Sybil” Gingrich recently stated ~ 300 pages of Obamacare is OK.

If you have ever seen a monster bill from Congress you see a lot of pages that say this:

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30 posted on 12/10/2011 10:12:54 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Scanian
Palestinians celebrating the fall of the Twin Towers on 911
31 posted on 12/10/2011 10:14:10 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: magellan
Gingrich has a Ph.D. in Modern European History from Tulane University. I believe he has reviewed quite a bit of history.

Lately most of it has been counterfactual.

Find a country or a people that isn't in some sense "invented." Look at a map of Britain or France or Germany or Italy or Spain a thousand years ago. Those countries were all formed over a long process and at the beginning it would have seemed ridiculous to believe that Burgundians and Gascons and Alsatians and Bretons would all come to be considered Frenchmen. Or consider Africa. Where did all those countries come from if not through some process that combined accident, will, and invention?

32 posted on 12/10/2011 10:16:17 AM PST by x
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To: newfreep

Wow, that’s funny. I read the article and headline and there was nothing in it about “ObamaCare”!

But the Newt-haters insist on spreading their spam on every thread.

It’s not going to help. After the umpteenth spam post, people just tune you out.


33 posted on 12/10/2011 10:29:17 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: x
I suspect this is why, despite considering Palestinians an invented people, he's still for a two state solution.

Americans ourselves are an invented people.

34 posted on 12/10/2011 10:29:38 AM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama and Speaker Pelosi.)
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To: Scanian
This reminds me of an old story (but still a great one) about how the Israelis and the Palestinians were at the negotiating table, the Palestinians were making their usual absurd demands, and the lead Israeli negotiator said "quite frankly, we cannot trust you" and the Palestinian delegation began yelling and clamoring "WHY NOT?!?" and the Israeli negotiator said "it started hundreds and hundreds of years ago when Moses was leading our people to the Promised Land, our people had been in the wilderness for years, and came upon a small oasis with sparkling water, and Moses went to bathe himself and to enjoy that unexpected blessing, and while he was naked and in the water, some Palestinians decided to sneak up behind him where his clothes were hanging upon a bush, and they STOLE his clothes, STOLE them! THAT is why we cannot trust you!"

Yassir Arafat himself jumped up and shouted "THAT is a LIE! There WERE no Palestinians back then!"

The Israeli neogiator smiled and said "thank you for making my point for me, now about these demands for land you are making ....?"
35 posted on 12/10/2011 10:30:22 AM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: x

“It must have. Where are the threats in the article?”

They’re coming. This was the first step, delegitimze the intended target Alinsky style.

If Newt is the nominee, threats of a Muslim long hot summer will follow, just like the ones from the NAACP crowd if Obama was not victorious.


36 posted on 12/10/2011 10:34:48 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: newfreep
You do know the Sybil was a hoax......totally made up by the author of the book...
37 posted on 12/10/2011 10:37:43 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: hosepipe

I htink Newt is referring to the 300 pages of “The, And, A and Of”.

There are lots of them.


38 posted on 12/10/2011 11:25:18 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: mkjessup

If the Palis were smart, they’d have continued calling themselves “Amalekites” as some of them did some years ago.

Demonstrating a historical connection might have been tough but at least the name would give them some reason to claim a presence in The Promised Land during Moses’ time.


39 posted on 12/10/2011 11:37:50 AM PST by Scanian
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The Palestinian prime minister, Salam Fayyad, demanded Gingrich “review history.””

The problem is not reviewing history. The problem is the Muslims rewriting history to deny Israel has ever been a Jewish state, Jerusalem ever being its capital, Jordan not being the Arab state created out of the Palestinian Mandate, which promised it all to the Jews for a homeland, and inventing a new nationality called Palestinians.

They conveniently want the world to forget they have tried four times to destroy the Jews and drive the Jews into the sea (1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973). They want the world to forget the Muslims were attacking Jews long before Israel became a nation.;

They want the world to forget that between 1948 and 1967, they held Jordanian citizenship, and that there was no Palestinian state created by the Arab states in the land they occupied as a result of the armistice.;

They want you to forget that the Palestinians in Jordan tried to overthrow the Jordanian king (Saudi Transplant)and establish a country names Palestine, but had their heads handed to them by the Jordanians.;

They would like all to forget that the people conquered in the past by Muslim armies had to die, convert, or submit (the meaning of Islam).;

They also want the world to forget that over 600 thousand Jews were expelled from the Arab Middle Eastern countries following the establishment of Israel in 1948, and that these Jews rather than being house in neighboring states in refugees camps, and used by the West as a political club against Arab states, resettled in Israel and elsewhere.;

They would also like to destroy the knowledge that the Arabs who left Israel in 1948 were not fleeing Israeli guns, but getting out of the way so their Arab armies could destroy the Jews, and then they could move back in and take Jewish property.;

Also, Iran would like to forget that they once had a Jewish Queen, and a religion other than Islam.That Persia was also conquered and subjected to forced conversion for all Persians who were not "People of the Book" (everyone but Christians and Jews).;

There are about a billion Muslims and approximately 12 million Jews in the world. Who is the Goliath, and who is the group trying to destroy and occupy? Not the Jews!

40 posted on 12/10/2011 11:39:13 AM PST by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: throwback

I’m not going to bother to reseach it now but my Jewish friends used to tell me that the local Arab shieks panicked the Palis of that time people into fleeing from the Jews.


41 posted on 12/10/2011 11:41:05 AM PST by Scanian
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To: FES0844

It’s heartening to me to find out that I share the same level of ignorance with a PhD and potential presidential candidate like Gingrich.

If the Palis are smart and educated, I’m glad to be dumb and illiterate.


42 posted on 12/10/2011 11:45:17 AM PST by Scanian
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To: GOPJ

“I think we have invented the Palestinian people”

He’d better not walk back that assertion.

If he does, he can kiss my primary vote goodbye.


43 posted on 12/10/2011 11:48:43 AM PST by Scanian
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To: GOPJ
"Remember, there was no Palestine as a state," Gingrich said. "It was part of the Ottoman Empire.

Wouldn't that be true of Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon as well?

44 posted on 12/10/2011 11:54:06 AM PST by SoJoCo
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Scanian.
45 posted on 12/10/2011 11:56:18 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Scanian

[ If the Palis were smart, they’d have continued calling themselves “Amalekites” as some of them did some years ago. ]

There are not any of them either..


46 posted on 12/10/2011 12:02:31 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Scanian
Palestinians slam Gingrich as "ignorant"

Old Sarge slams Palestinians as Terrorists.

47 posted on 12/10/2011 12:26:52 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: SoJoCo
Wouldn't that be true of Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon as well? Yes and all of these Arab states were created out of the Ottoman Empire, along with the area known as the Palestinian Mandate being set aside as a Jewish homeland.;

Funny thing, oil and the wealth associated with it got in the way of all of the Palestinian Mandate becoming the nation of Israel.;

Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia had Saudi Princes placed at their heads.;

Trans-Jordan was created by the British, in disregard of the League of Nations and the Balfour Agreement. This occupied two thirds of the Palestinian Mandate (meant for a Jewish Homeland) and became the first Palestinian Arab state. A Saudi Prince was placed in control of this new nation. Prior to this the Jews were then promised that if they would move west across the Jordan,from the areas they had settled between the late 19th century and early 20th century, that what remained of the Palestinian Mandate, including what has become known as the West Bank would be reserved for them as a homeland.;

Then the Arab states, so created, started badgering Great Britain to not allow Jews to ever control any of the Muslim land. Jews from the middle of the 19th century until 1948 had paid dearly for land (at very high prices), in order to move back into the vacated area (Ottoman controlled) Palestine. The land had been stripped bare by its absentee Muslim landlords (Ottoman Empire). Read Innocents Abroad by Samuel Clemons for a description;

So, prior to WWI all of the Arab states did not exist. They were part of the Caliph run by Turkey. Of course the Turks had destroyed their own group with a claim to land in Turkey (the Armenians).;

Strange the West can't see the destruction of the Armenians in the same light as the attempt to destroy the Jews. After all the Armenians were Christian and could not exist in a Muslim state. So the solution was to destroy them. Now we see the same attitude by Muslim states toward Israel. All land previously conquered by Islam, must be returned to Islam. All land not previously conquered by Islam is up for grabs and should be conquered and subjugated.

48 posted on 12/10/2011 12:31:05 PM PST by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Yulee
Wouldn't that be true of Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon as well? Yes and all of these Arab states were created out of the Ottoman Empire, along with the area known as the Palestinian Mandate being set aside as a Jewish homeland.

Then does that mean that there is no such thing as a Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian, Saudi, or Iraqi?

49 posted on 12/10/2011 12:36:41 PM PST by SoJoCo
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To: hosepipe

At least it’s a Biblical name....even “Philistines” would give them some kind of argument, though the Phillies were early Greeks.


50 posted on 12/10/2011 12:39:05 PM PST by Scanian
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