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Holder: Lying is a State of Mind- So is Impeachment
Townhall.com ^ | December 11, 2011 | Bob Beauprez

Posted on 12/11/2011 12:54:23 PM PST by Kaslin

In case you missed it, Congressman James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) had the following exchange with Eric Holder last week during the Judiciary Committees grilling of the Attorney General over the Fast & Furious gun running scandal.  

Numerous Justice Department officials have been implicated in lying about the Fast & Furious scandal, including the Attorney General himself.  And, yet, the AG explains to Sensenbrenner that nobody lied because "lying" is dependent on one's "state of mind."  

Had only generations of kids thought to try that defense with their mothers!  "Honest, mom, I didn't lie, because I wasn't in a lying state of mind."  

Sensenbrenner references the highly unusual withdrawal by the Justice Department of a Feb. 4 letter to Sen. Charles Grassley because of "inaccuracies" about the F&F operation.  For background we refer you to our December 3 posting about the DOJ cover-up and go here for additional detailed articles. 

Clearly frustrated with Holder's obfiscation, Sensenbrenner bluntly warned Holder that Congress wanted answers.  “The thing is, if we don’t get to the bottom of this — and that requires your assistance on that — there is only alternative that Congress has and it is called impeachment, where our subpoena powers are plenary and there can‘t be any type of legal immunity or privilege that can be asserted on that.”

Considering the source, that is far from a casual threat, as Sensenbrenner has served as House Manager of more impeachment trials than any Member in history.  On four occasions in his 33 years in Congress, he has served as the House Manager of Impeachment trials including three federal judges and President Clinton.  Sensenbrenner is also a former Chairman of the Judiciary Committee.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; charlesgrassley; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; obama; sensenbrenner
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1 posted on 12/11/2011 12:54:33 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

What this means is that if he is “impeached” they will pretend it never happened.


2 posted on 12/11/2011 1:06:26 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Yeah, like they pretend Billy Jeff wasn’t impeached


3 posted on 12/11/2011 1:09:36 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Impeachment my Ass, CHARGE HIM WITH TREASON.

A lot of people don’t believe what happened was TREASON, I do. So we only have two options the way I see it. Either Holder and Company willfully and knowingly aided,abetted,ARMED and FINANCED our ENEMY in the War on Drugs, which is TREASON, but some of you say it is not a real war, so lets say you are right then what do we have??

Holder and Company “willfully and knowingly” gave weapons and money to “Terrorists” in an effort to TERRORIZE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and allow the Government to pass more Laws restricting Guns. Yes they have been referred to as ‘NARCO TERRORISTS” by every level of government.

Either way you look at it THEY supplied WEAPONS AND MONEY to the ENEMY during a TIME OF WAR. Or they Gave Comfort to and Supplied TERRORISTS WITH MONEY AND WEAPONS.

TREASON, CONVICTION, HANGED BY CHRISTMAS, They have already ADMITTED to these CRIMES.


4 posted on 12/11/2011 1:12:27 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: Kaslin
All of the best experts in the world came to George W. Bush and declared that their intelligence revealed the presence of WMD in Iraq, under the control of Saddam Hussein. The CIA, British intelligence, others.

George W. Bush said: "WMD are in Iraq, under the control of Saddam Hussein."

And the media said he lied.

I guess the rules have changed.

5 posted on 12/11/2011 1:42:11 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

They sure seem to have changed


6 posted on 12/11/2011 1:49:48 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin
Adams Grills Holder Over Fast and Furious Operation

That is a must-see video (8 min) of Cong. woman Sandy Adams' interrogation of Holder. I found it posted in the following article from American Thinker.

Attorney General Milo Minderbinder (Holder)

Good article.

7 posted on 12/11/2011 2:12:33 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Kaslin
It's the bill klintoon defense of a blowjob not being sex.

It depends on what the meaning of the word is, is.

Using Billy jeff's defense will not work with your significant other, regardless of his high office and adoration by lib bitches and fags.

8 posted on 12/11/2011 2:17:12 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: Kaslin

Impeach and prosecute the racist Socialist bastard!


9 posted on 12/11/2011 2:19:11 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: TigersEye

That Adams video is good.

I’ve not seen Holder stammering like that before. Adams is a prosecutor it seems.


10 posted on 12/11/2011 2:36:41 PM PST by Principled
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To: Principled

She has the skills to be a prosecutor but she says she is not a lawyer and the article says she was formerly a law enforcement officer. As was her late husband. She refers to his being on a “wall” with other LEOs killed in the line of duty. She is not taking any bull that’s for sure.


11 posted on 12/11/2011 2:49:00 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Kaslin
Erick Holder will never be impeached as long as Obama, is president. Obama, among other things, is beholden to Holder for 'closure' of the Pigford success in giving/awarding fraudulent billions to false Black Farmers...some 46,303 of them all because congress was too timid to rule against the fraud...being called "racists" by the mendacious Blacks and their lawyers.

In 1999, the USDA entered into a consent agreement with black farmers in which the agency agreed to pay farmers for past discrimination in lending and other USDA programs. Thousands of claims have been adjudicated, but thousands of other claims were not considered on their merits because the affected farmers submitted their claims after the settlement claims deadline.

To address the remaining claims, Congress provided these farmers another avenue for restitution in the 2008 Farm Bill by providing a right to file a claim in federal court. The total amount offered by the federal government in the agreement announced today, $1.25 billion, includes the $100 million appropriated by Congress in Section 14012 of the Farm Bill.

,Last May, President Obama announced his plans to include settlement funds for black farmers in the FY 2010 budget to bring closure to their long-standing litigation against the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Michelle Bachmann has to her credit, worked very hard to correct this fraud, Democrats have blocked her efforts and are taking if not 'taken' another billion dollars for a second round of payments to faux Black Farmers.

Please be aware of what Washington is all about, it ain't you or me unless you can donate mucho cash to someone trying to be elected or up for re-election.

12 posted on 12/11/2011 2:49:56 PM PST by yoe
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To: Kaslin

Textbook Marxist response...Why is anyone - left or right - surprised?


13 posted on 12/11/2011 2:55:10 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (No good deed...)
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To: yoe

I don’t think 0bama has a say in this, because it is the House that has the power to impeach, not the president. The removal however is another question with the rats having the majority in the Senate


14 posted on 12/11/2011 2:58:23 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Impeach. Then, F&F might actually get covered in the MSM so that the drones will know something bad is happening to their communist regime.


15 posted on 12/11/2011 3:16:44 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: eyeamok
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16 posted on 12/11/2011 3:24:42 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

When? THAT is the question. Ping.


17 posted on 12/11/2011 3:29:24 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

When? THAT is the question. Ping.


18 posted on 12/11/2011 3:30:17 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Kaslin

The truth is that Holder is a criminal, with blood on his hands...including American blood.


19 posted on 12/11/2011 3:51:53 PM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi)
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To: Kaslin

because “lying” is dependent on one’s “state of mind.”


I have worked with convicts and their version was “I meant it when I said it, whats the problem?”


20 posted on 12/11/2011 3:58:23 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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