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To: American in Israel
The Bible has something to say in principle about this:

Micah 6:11 "Can I justify wicked scales And a bag of deceptive weights?
Micah 6:12 "For the rich men of the city are full of violence, Her residents speak lies, And their tongue is deceitful in their mouth.
Micah 6:13 "So also I will make you sick, striking you down, Desolating you because of your sins.
MIC 6:14 "You will eat, but you will not be satisfied, And your vileness will be in your midst. You will try to remove for safekeeping, But you will not preserve anything, And what you do preserve I will give to the sword.
MIC 6:15 "You will sow but you will not reap. You will tread the olive but will not anoint yourself with oil; And the grapes, but you will not drink wine.

I don't about all of you, but what the Lord says about dishonesty DOES scare me. And, then there's this passage:

Proverbs 20:23 Differing weights are an abomination to the Lord, And a false scale is not good.

I don't have any more comment...the Lord states it pretty clearly.

24 posted on 12/13/2011 8:12:47 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I don't have any more comment...the Lord states it pretty clearly.

Doesn't He always? It is amazing (well, not really) to find all of human behavior described in scripture. The sad thing is that all are like that, but, to those who believe:

Col. 1:13 "He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Col 1:21 :And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him."

44 posted on 12/14/2011 4:09:17 AM PST by lupie
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
The Bible has something to say in principle about this:

If you left it only to a Principle, then all would be good, but, alas, you added "what the LORD says about dishonesty DOES scare me."

Perhaps if the world was seventh century BC Judah this would be a reason to be scared. A real problem for the Cut & Paste Non Contextual School of Vanity Doctrine student is that in removing the passage from its context the practice allows the student to eisegete whatever substitution fits the vanity teaching of the day.

Micah was a contemporary of Isaiah who was a prophet to Judah. Judah, was made up of a bunch of reprobates who just happened to win the lucky sperm award and were living under the Covenant made to Abraham. Because of that, they, and no other, were subject to benefits/responsibilities of being a "chosen people".

In Deuteronomy 8:5 to the Jews, and again in Hebrews 12:6 to "those of like faith of Abraham" aka "The Church", we learn that those who God considers "sons", or "those He loves" are subject to chastening and to no other. Learn that doctrine. It is consistent throughout God's involvement with the type (OT nation of Israel) and with the fulfillment (the OT/NT spiritual Israel - "the Church").

There is a huge difference between chastening and judgement. Those who are "sons of God", because they are loved are chastened into being worthy images. Those who are not "sons" are not chastened, but all men will be judged at the Last Day. (Rv 20:12-13)

When people imagine a constant pattern of judgement taking place in this Age, they have departed orthodox theology and have moved into the world's religions, as diverse as Islam, the ancient greek/roman Fates and Eastern Karma. Consider:

Rev 6:10-11 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"... and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

The idea that God allows man to go to the fullness of his rebellion and then is judged is as old as the Garden. The wages of Sin is Death, yet A&E, while bringing death to the world in their sin, didn't physically die until many centuries later. The wicked antedilluvians were permitted to continue until "every intent of the thoughts of his hear was only evil continually." then they were judged.

One of the reasons that the Hebrews were captive in Egypt was that the promised land was not yet ready for them to take because the current inhabitants, the Ammorites, hadn't fully sunk to extreme depravity.(Gen 15:16). What is interesting about that passage is that God already knew and told Abram, through the the evil omen of the unclean birds of prey swooping down on the offering animals that in four hundred years (430 for those actually counting), that his own descendants would be enslaved. God was waiting for both His people to be purified (chastening) while the Ammorites came to the fullness of their sin (judgement).

As you can see, the LORD's idea is wildly different from what you projected into His character.

49 posted on 12/14/2011 5:50:08 AM PST by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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