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Gingrich aide is out after blasting Mormonism
Des Moines Register | December 14, 2011 | Jennifer Jacobs

Posted on 12/14/2011 7:06:27 AM PST by CedarDave

Title and link only per copyright complaint.

Gingrich aide is out after blasting Mormonism


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: gingrich; mormons; newt; religion
Link above is from Drudge.

Fox News just reported the Gingrich political director in Iowa resigned because he called Mormonism a "cult" last Wednesday during a focus group meeting. The Fox report made it seem that Gingrich had been the one who referred to Mormons as a cult. I'm relieved Newt hasn't said that but I wouldn't have been surprised if he did as we all know he can be a loose cannon at times.

1 posted on 12/14/2011 7:06:30 AM PST by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

It is a cult - what’s wrong with calling it such?


2 posted on 12/14/2011 7:09:25 AM PST by porter_knorr
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To: CedarDave

Further information from the article is that Craig Bergman had not been hired for the Gingrich campaign at the time of the comment, and campaign spokesman R.C. Hammond said the statement is “inconsistent with Newt 2012’s pledge to run a positive and solutions-orientated campaign.”

Additionally, the chairwoman for Gingrich’s Iowa campaign, Linda Upmeyer, said she has never heard Gingrich say anything negative about Mormonism.


3 posted on 12/14/2011 7:14:11 AM PST by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave
“A lot of the evangelicals believe God would give us four more years of Obama just for the opportunity to expose the cult of Mormon,” Bergman said

How can, supposedly, intelligent people who are influential positions make such stupid comments? Don't they know it will come back to bite them in the butt? Ignorant people get on my friggin' nerves.
4 posted on 12/14/2011 7:14:33 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: CedarDave

mormonISM is a cult.


5 posted on 12/14/2011 7:17:57 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: CedarDave

6 posted on 12/14/2011 7:18:08 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit)
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To: porter_knorr

Yeah, what’s wrong with hating fellow Americans who vote more consistently conservative that whatever cult it is that you belong to? < / sarcasm >


7 posted on 12/14/2011 7:18:30 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: porter_knorr; All

It is a cult - what’s wrong with calling it such?
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Come on porter_knorr; I don’t believe you asked that question. Whether it is a cult or not is beside the point. I’m not Mormon but, if you let a dufus, s**t-for-brains, junior political hack like this guy determine who or what is a cult, your religion might be next. I’m of the Charismatic/Pentecostal persuasion. Up until a very few years ago, Baptist and other Evangelicals considered us a cult. Wait until they decide that YOU belong to a cultish religion.


8 posted on 12/14/2011 7:19:06 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: CedarDave

We need all hands on deck to beat Obama. That being said some protestans won’t vote for a Morman. Also no non-morman will ever win the Utah primary with a Mormon in the primary. They don’t report that one.


9 posted on 12/14/2011 7:22:23 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Mitt Romney, a piss poor choice)
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To: porter_knorr
It is a cult - what’s wrong with calling it such?

Atheists refer to my religion {Catholic} as a cult, I take offense to that.

My neighbor is a Mormon and is very devout, and according to him, is a good Christian.

I know he is a good man and neighbor.

If you are a Christian and not a Catholic, you belong a sect of Christianity that has been started by a man, Martin Luther, just like Joseph Smith started Mormonism.

You disdain the Mormons yet you hold your beliefs {whatever they are} to be valid?

What a hypocrite!

10 posted on 12/14/2011 7:22:36 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: CedarDave

Interesting. Newt will “speak truth” about the Mideast, ie. the Palestinians are an invented people; but not about Mormonism that it is a cult. I don’t know why this is such a problem.

The Mormon organization is one of the largest secret societies in the world. It is also one of richest. No one but members can enter their ‘temples.’ Male members progress in their knowledge of secret ceremonies as they ascend various levels of authority. Those who attain these secrets take vows they will not reveal them (even to death!). All members are forbidden to say anything negative about the organization and if they do, they are kicked out. (Just check out how many BYU historians have gotten into trouble because they dared to question what Salt Lake City claims are the origins of Mormonism.) They must give 10% of their income to the organization and their bishops discipline them if they don’t.

Mormons claim to be Christian but do not believe the basic creeds of Christianity. Joseph Smith claimed all the denominations were so corrupt that God had to raise up another prophet (ie. himself) to cleanse the church - which is a direct assault on basic Christian doctrine about Christ. In American history, Mormonism has been always been referred to a cult. As an historian, Newt knows this fact.

So if Newt is the ‘truth teller,’ why fire an aide who simply tells the truth?


12 posted on 12/14/2011 7:30:17 AM PST by Madam Theophilus
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To: CedarDave

We’ve been making a point about how good it is that all the candidates are being vetted in the primary process, but there is one candidates attribute that isn’t being thoroughly vetted: Romney’s Mormonism.

Anyone that thinks the eventual GOP nominee (whoever it is) won’t get a full anal examine that runs right up to November 2012—an examine that includes their religious beliefs—is delusional.

Should Romney get the nomination, we’ll see more exposes on Mormonism—beliefs, history, et...—in one year than we’ve seen in the last 100 years. 60 Minutes will do multiple feature stories; the NY Times will have stories on the front page about it.

The liberal media will be going all out to get Obama reelected. Since he doesn’t have a record to run on, all they can do is attack the GOP nominee. Those attacks will certainly include the GOP candidates religious beliefs.

The problem with Mormonism is: it doesn’t pass the reasonable person test. No reasonable person that looks at the evidence for and against Mormonism and balances it in a clear, dispassionate, logical manner would come to the conclusion that Mormonism is true.

And, that is where Mormonism will be a problem for Romney in the general election. As potential voters, for the first time in their lives, get a clear presentation from the press; look at the evidence; and then look at Mitt Romney and say to themselves “He actually believes THAT is true?”


13 posted on 12/14/2011 7:32:22 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: porter_knorr

“It is a cult - what’s wrong with calling it such?”

Needlessly alienating potential voters, the unforgivable sin in the view of any politician.


14 posted on 12/14/2011 7:33:13 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: CedarDave

It is a CULT, but if I were a presidential candidate I wouldnt say so;o)


15 posted on 12/14/2011 7:33:23 AM PST by TheGunny
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To: Psalm 144

I think Green Bay Packers fans are a cult, but they vote also.


16 posted on 12/14/2011 7:36:55 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Vigilanteman; porter_knorr
V people make that statement all the time. Where is your evidence? Romney is a liberal and garners 94% of lds votes. Reid is a liberal and garners a majority of lds votes. Nearly every lds politician is a liberal and is still elected by a majority of lds members. Utah predominately lds has sided with the gay agenda, and illegal immigration, no probation against abortion (based on the rules and regs about it ending with "if you pray about it and god says its ok), they use their so called mission work to avoid military service (Romney went to France in order not to serve) - hardly conservative.
lds do not vote more conservative than anyone else. It is great PR on the part of SLC lds to portray themselves in such a light, it is however simply not true.
17 posted on 12/14/2011 7:45:30 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: TheGunny
"It is a CULT, but if I were a presidential candidate I wouldnt say so;o)"

But the guy's point was right on. If Mitt gets the nod many, many Evangelicals will tune out (as conservatives did to McCain) and Obama will win. Right or wrong that is the reality and I don't see anything wrong with pointing it out.

18 posted on 12/14/2011 7:51:34 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Madam Theophilus
Mormons claim to be Christian but do not believe the basic creeds of Christianity.

The only Christian religion founded by the Son of God, Jesus Christ, is Catholicism, yet Protestants believe that they will get into Heaven.

Where do you get the moral righteousness to be the evaluator of another person, that professes to be Christian, and you disbelieve them.

Your statements, and many other Protestants of all denominations, ring hollow with your rejection of Peter and the Popes that followed him.

Every time this Mormonism is a cult crap comes up, and a Catholic mentions that there is only one true version of Christianity, every Protestant that called the Mormons cultists, gets the red ass.

I say believe what you choose, but don't try to rationalize your beliefs by denigrating the Mormons.

When we die, God will have it sorted out.

19 posted on 12/14/2011 7:52:09 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: Vigilanteman

Who said anything about hate?


20 posted on 12/14/2011 7:53:05 AM PST by porter_knorr
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To: porter_knorr
It is a cult - what’s wrong with calling it such?

Because Mittens doesn't want his religion to be exposed as it really is. He's constant at saying it doesn't belong in the campaigns. Of course he'd want it that way....when anyone looks a bit closer at Mormonism they are generally stunned anyone could believe such nonsense, because that is what it is.

Besides Mormonism is simply a front for the leadership to keep the cash flow going into their coffers....just like any other revenue machine flying under the banner of a religion....it keeps their membership in bondage...and they pay up.

21 posted on 12/14/2011 7:53:13 AM PST by caww
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To: CedarDave

How can Bergman be an aide or director when he was never hired? similar incident happened to Perry ..by Jeffries ..Perry campaign disavowed the remarks as the Gingrich campaign dumped association with Bergman


22 posted on 12/14/2011 7:58:04 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: circlecity
Him “Mormonism” is just one of many faces this politician has. I dont trust him and prefer him to NOT be the GOP guy in the general election.
23 posted on 12/14/2011 7:58:45 AM PST by TheGunny
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To: USS Alaska
When we die, God will have it sorted out.

The sorting out happens 'here and now' before death...'then' it will be too late......Gods judgement occurs.

Mormonism serves a counterfeit Christ...and yes we are called as Christians to oppose false teachings which Mormonism is...and leads people away from the true Christ of Christianity.

24 posted on 12/14/2011 8:03:23 AM PST by caww
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To: USS Alaska; All
If you are a Christian and not a Catholic, you belong a sect of Christianity that has been started by a man
Bulls**t!!! If you wouldn't make statements like that, USS Alaska, people wouldn't know just how friggin' ignorant you really are. Catholic is a denomination started by "men"; men who oppressed the poor by selling indulgences and oppressed the masses and even kings who feared the Pope because if they didn't dance to his tune, they were excommunicated and consigned to hell fire. So, a loving God started that mess? I don't think so. Thank God for Martin Luther who liberated us all from the Great Whore of The Book of Revelation. Now, how do you like that; you brain-washed dummy?
25 posted on 12/14/2011 8:05:07 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: katiedidit1
How can Bergman be an aide or director when he was never hired?

The article said he made the remark before he was hired and given the boot after the remark came to light.

26 posted on 12/14/2011 8:08:19 AM PST by CedarDave
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To: Vigilanteman
Yeah, what’s wrong with hating fellow Americans who vote more consistently conservative that whatever cult it is that you belong to? < / sarcasm >

Harry Reid, Jon Huntsman!?!

27 posted on 12/14/2011 8:14:44 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: no dems
Catholic(sic) is a denomination started by "men"; men who oppressed the poor by selling indulgences and oppressed the masses...

That's not the Simon Peter this Baptist was raised being taught. Are you sure?

28 posted on 12/14/2011 8:17:37 AM PST by laotzu
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To: CedarDave
http://theiowarepublican.com/2011/22880/ A participant in a focus group organized by TheIowaRepublican.com and McClatchy newspapers lost his job because of comments he made during the event last week. Shortly after participating in the focus group, Craig Bergman was hired as the Iowa political director for Newt Gingrich’s presidential campaign. The controversial comment came in regards to Mitt Romney’s prospects, if he captured the GOP nomination. “There is a national pastor who is very much on the anti-Mitt Romney bandwagon,” Bergman said. “A lot of the evangelicals believe God would give us four more years of Obama just for the opportunity to expose the cult of Mormon…There’s a thousand pastors ready to do that.” The “cult of Mormon” comment is what landed Bergman in trouble. Newt Gingrich’s campaign spokesman R.C. Hammond released a statement Tuesday evening announcing Bergman was no longer with the campaign. “Craig Bergman agreed to step away from his role with Newt 2012 today. He made a comment to a focus group prior to becoming an employee that is inconsistent with Newt 2012′s pledge to run a positive and solutions orientated campaign.” As co-moderator of the focus group, TheIowaRepublican.com believes Bergman was not making a statement that reflected his own views of the Mormon religion, but was relaying what he heard from the “national pastor” referenced in his comment. --- There's no "blasting" there. It's a Liberal rag newspaper stirring up trouble where there is none.
29 posted on 12/14/2011 8:19:11 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: USS Alaska
My neighbor is a Mormon and is very devout, and according to him, is a good Christian. I know he is a good man and neighbor.

If you are a Christian and not a Catholic, you belong a sect of Christianity that has been started by a man, Martin Luther, just like Joseph Smith started Mormonism.

You disdain the Mormons yet you hold your beliefs {whatever they are} to be valid?

What a hypocrite!

So we are to ignore the glaring contradictions between the bible and the book of Mormon? We are suppose to believe their version of history when they say the American Indians are the descendants of Jews, that there really was a Nephite and Lamanite people even though there has never been any evidence of that, that the Mormon faith is the restored Church and only married, temple worthy members can enter into heaven?

I guess we are to accept Palestinians as being historically factual too?

30 posted on 12/14/2011 8:22:39 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: USS Alaska
My neighbor is a Mormon and is very devout, and according to him, is a good Christian. I know he is a good man and neighbor.

Your friend may be a good man and good neighbor, but he is by no measure a Christian. You talk about Protestants and Catholics being different, but compared to Momonism, the beliefs of Protestants and Catholics are virtually identical. In fact, the one religion most similar to Mormonism (in history, practice, and beliefs) is...ISLAM.

Consider these facts that are true for BOTH Mormonism and Islam.

I could write for pages and pages on the similarities between Mormonism and Islam, but I hope you get the point: Mormonism has more in common with Islam than it does Christianity.

As a Christian, it's worth your time to study to the beliefs of other religions, and do a comparison study not only between them and Christianity, but study the differences and similarities they have with each other--if for no other reasons than to (1) protect yourself from false teachings, and (2) give a proper defense of Christiantiy when faced with the claims of false religions.

31 posted on 12/14/2011 8:28:28 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: no dems; USS Alaska

Not that it matters to anybody but I think you are both off the charts with your denominational team colors. Its not about Paul or Apollos - it is about Christ.

I have been to services at a Jesuit Catholic church in New Orleans, an Orthodox monastery just outside Moscow, and a Calvinist, fundamentalist Baptist church in San Angelo, Texas. The presence of Christ was manifest at each of those places, and each of those services was a conduit of God’s grace. Sometimes God has to work around denominational or individual quirks and fetishes to get the job done, but He is a mighty God and does things like that. Cite whatever mouldering theologian or crabbed cleric you wish to ‘prove’ it can’t be so, but I was there and I know it is true. Yes, I testify.

There are a lot of fields out there that are mixed tares and wheat. In the end, God will indeed sort it out - an echo from a really ugly incident by the way, but none the less true.


32 posted on 12/14/2011 8:30:58 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Brookhaven

-——As a Christian, it’s worth your time to study to the beliefs of other religions,-——

Then you can come on Free Republic and injure you rotor cuff patting yourself on the back.


33 posted on 12/14/2011 8:33:55 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: CedarDave

Mormon, Catholic, Calvinist, Lutheran. You’re all cultists. I know. Someone from another religion said so.


34 posted on 12/14/2011 8:40:07 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
Yep. And that's the bottom line. Any idiot can toss around divisive slurs. Real Americans put aside their differences and work together for the preservation of what's left of this nation.

The Libtards own the "D" party now because they can put aside differences between Al Qaida Muslims and Atheistic Jews, fudgepackers and serial philanders, Black Panthers and La Raza racists to work together for the destruction of the nation.

But too many self-professed Chrisitans can't put aside much more minor theological differences to work together for its preservation. They are too busy casting rocks at those who don't meet with their purity tests.

What is it going to take to awaken us from this idiotic stupor?

35 posted on 12/14/2011 8:50:09 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: laotzu; All
That's not the Simon Peter this Baptist was raised being taught. Are you sure?

Simon Peter was NOT the first Pope. And you didn't learn that in the Baptist Church. Baptists consider that to be heresy. If Simon Peter was the first Pope, why did he forbid Cornelius to bow down to him in Acts Chapter 10 and the Pope today allows people to not only bow to him but kiss his ring? The Catholic church is a man-made denomination just like all the others. But, Christ is the Head of the True Church; not the Pope or some Parish Priest who molests little boys that they call "Father" when Jesus forbade that in Matthew 23:9 "...for only one is your Father which is in heaven." I say again: It's a man-made denomination. Just like all the others. But, Christ is the head of the Church.
36 posted on 12/14/2011 8:54:17 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: porter_knorr
t is a cult - what’s wrong with calling it such?

What's wrong with it? Give me a break! Do you not understand the Constitution? What do think Freedom of Religion means? That you can trash, slander and persecute every religion you don't agree with?

You might want to consider the implications of your slander.

And yes, I am a well educated (Harvard Law plus a PhD), tax paying, happily married, father of 5, former Air Force fighter pilot, now entrepreneur, true blue, thinking and loving Mormon.

Why? Because I know through personal experience that it is true. Peter prophesied the restoration. Christ did restore his Church in the last days, and there are living prophets and apostles. And Christ is inviting all to come unto Him and to love God with all of your hearts, minds and souls. Why? Because he loves all. And The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and all of us you call Mormons similarly extend our love to all.

Moreover, the moral strength of our nation, the very fabric of our Constitution, requires that we respect and champion the right of all to worship and believe how they please. Our invitation to all to come unto Christ implies no disrespect. Throwing slanderous terms around about others' religious beliefs not only implies disrespect, it implies you are not a true, Constitution loving, American.
37 posted on 12/14/2011 9:15:34 AM PST by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: LukeSW
What do think Freedom of Religion means?

What a load of crap. Freedom of Religion doesn't make all religions equal in God's eyes. Freedom of Religion doesn't make Hinduism less of a cult. Amazing how slimy your argument is.

38 posted on 12/14/2011 10:02:37 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: LukeSW

I didn’t say Romney shouldn’t run because he belongs to a cult.
You are free to belong to a cult too - Constitutionally protected in fact to be able to belong to a cult.

But your accusation of slander is incorrect as I’m sure your highly educated self knows :)
Cheers!


39 posted on 12/14/2011 10:12:17 AM PST by porter_knorr
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To: LukeSW
mormonISM is a cult.
You are free to believe what you want.
I find it interesting that you bring up the constitution when J Smith threw it under the bus, when he said every thing before him was an abomination, oh yea and when he declared himself a general, created an army and wanted to over throw the US government.
Freedom, really how about his destruction of printing presses.
mormonISM says that the lds jesus is a created being.
The Bible says He is eternal.
mormonISM says you must earn your salvation IE after all you can do
The Bible says that Jesus is sufficient and Salvation is given by Grace.
Believe what you want, however mormonISM is a cult.
40 posted on 12/14/2011 10:24:53 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: porter_knorr

Sorry forgot to ping you to a comment I made to a response to you. #40


41 posted on 12/14/2011 10:26:50 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: no dems
Bulls**t!!! If you wouldn't make statements like that, USS Alaska, people wouldn't know just how friggin' ignorant you really are. Catholic is a denomination started by "men"; men who oppressed the poor by selling indulgences and oppressed the masses and even kings who feared the Pope because if they didn't dance to his tune, they were excommunicated and consigned to hell fire. So, a loving God started that mess? I don't think so. Thank God for Martin Luther who liberated us all from the Great Whore of The Book of Revelation. Now, how do you like that; you brain-washed dummy?

It's OK with me, believe what you choose, but to call me brain washed because I believe that Jesus Christ and his Apostle Peter formed the Catholic Church is a shade over the top.

Martin Luther was a Catholic bishop that got upset because of nepotism, tried to get what he thought was his fair share through internal changes, didn't get enough to satisfy himself, so he decided to start his own religion.

Other religious protests within the first Catholic protest led to other brands and denominations of protestanism.

Like I said, I don't give a rat's ass what anyone believes, I just can't stand so many "sanctimonious christians" that want to elevate their positions by denigrating the Mormons.

You really are emotional rather than ecumenical when it comes to your brand of near truth.

42 posted on 12/14/2011 10:41:18 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: USS Alaska

I’m not denigrating the Mormon Faith. I’m just tired of Catholics thinking they were the first and only real Church. I wonder what The Lord Jesus Christ and Simon Peter would think about the fact that 50% of the Catholic Priests like to molest little boys.


43 posted on 12/14/2011 11:08:09 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: no dems
I’m not denigrating the Mormon Faith. I’m just tired of Catholics thinking they were the first and only real Church. I wonder what The Lord Jesus Christ and Simon Peter would think about the fact that 50% of the Catholic Priests like to molest little boys.

The reason that Catholics KNOW that Catholicism was the first Christian version, is because we can read history and we were.

As far as the only real Church, no one says that.

The point I've continued to make is that protestants that denigrate Mormons are the first ones to get a red ass when a Catholic questions their standing.

Since I know you've followed this thread, don't even pretend that this whole thing started by a bomb throwing coward, that called Mormonism a cult, then bailed out of the thread.

44 posted on 12/14/2011 12:08:01 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: USS Alaska

I’m not sure why you are so put out of sorts! The Vatican declared in 2001 that all converts from Mormonism have to rebaptized, signifying that the Pope doesn’t accept Mormonism as Christian either!

See this article:
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jul/20/news/mn-24451


45 posted on 12/14/2011 12:16:39 PM PST by Madam Theophilus
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To: no dems
"Simon Peter was NOT the first Pope"
no dems (freeper)

46 posted on 12/15/2011 7:23:52 AM PST by laotzu
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