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Iran official: We tricked the U.S. surveillance drone to land intact
Haaretz ^

Posted on 12/15/2011 10:32:48 AM PST by alex2011

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To: TankerKC

If Iran wants nukes, let’s give them a couple hundred.


41 posted on 12/15/2011 11:22:28 AM PST by DonkeyBonker
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To: dragnet2

Actually the Iranians have always taken quite well to computer technology. Had it not been for the Iranian Revolution they might be rivaling India today as an outsourcing center.


42 posted on 12/15/2011 11:23:30 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: alex2011
The classified networks are Air Gabbed...

Air Gabbed? What is that?

43 posted on 12/15/2011 11:25:20 AM PST by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: alex2011; All
original source article for Haaretz article:

Exclusive: Iran hijacked US drone, says Iranian engineer

"In an exclusive interview, an engineer working to unlock the secrets of the captured RQ-170 Sentinel says they exploited a known vulnerability and tricked the US drone into landing in Iran."

44 posted on 12/15/2011 11:26:46 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: muawiyah
They will now copy it in the thousands.

Only of lower quality. This plays in quite well with Iran's statements in the past about "swarms" of air frames.

45 posted on 12/15/2011 11:27:50 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: RightOnTheBorder
If true, why tell us. If that really was the weak link we can fix it. Why not say nothing and knock a few more down before we caught on?

RIGHT ANSWER! I think this is cover for the possibility that our security has been cracked or hacked somewhere. I can not imagine a drone that would not return to base even if GPS was blocked by jamming. This could be done by inertial nav, or simple magnetic headings back to base.

I find the silence on our side deafening.

46 posted on 12/15/2011 11:29:13 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: dragnet2

I can’t answer that. I also can’t answer the ex-defense department individual that says the drone shown in photos is a fake. He addresses the visible construction variances that do not lend themselves to stealth.

If we actually had a drone land intact, it would seem we would take it out.

We don’t have to do that with another drone, or from low to the ground over-flights.

I’m interested to see how this plays out.


47 posted on 12/15/2011 11:29:49 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: alex2011; All

IMHO...

They undoubtedly did what they said.

But they are not smart, the design is seriously deficient for combat.

(hint, hint, need 2 modes, combat and non-combat; before it gets shipped to combat, you take out the peactime module and stick in a combat module, which is identical except for distress logic).

Why can’t the big defense contractors think of this stuff ?????????????

And I notice the price of these things is still sky-high.

Ridiculous.


48 posted on 12/15/2011 11:31:06 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Actually the Iranians have always taken quite well to computer technology.

You bet.

We live in an era where everything is dependent on computer technology/wireless systems and networks. The scary part is our basic infrastructure is extremely vulnerable and can be manipulated as it's not hardened as much of our military stuff is, or is supposed to be. Our own government manipulates it. We're talking all the way down to the gas pumps, banking and retail cash registers.

The potential for causing absolute chaos and havoc to our systems, is beyond scary.

49 posted on 12/15/2011 11:33:01 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: sam_paine
I believe that extended accuracy info is encrypted. But if the signal-to-noise ratio is bad and it's getting garbage on the encrypted part but they were jamming it with viable coarse nav data, then the UAV just did the best it could with the data it had.

That makes sense.

Having all the navigation eggs in that one basket doesn't.

50 posted on 12/15/2011 11:33:50 AM PST by null and void (Day 1059 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: alex2011
I am surprised there is no "dead reckoning" back up software should primary navigation fail or appear to be incorrect. That would have been simple to implement.
51 posted on 12/15/2011 11:35:52 AM PST by jpsb
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To: DoughtyOne
I also can’t answer the ex-defense department individual that says the drone shown in photos is a fake.

Well, then I guess the President of the United States is requesting the Iranians hand over their fake drone.

??

52 posted on 12/15/2011 11:37:40 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: crosslink
bump http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/drone-virus-kept-quiet/ for later read
53 posted on 12/15/2011 11:38:45 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2
Here is an excerpt :

We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back,” says a source familiar with the network infection, one of three that told Danger Room about the virus. “We think it’s benign. But we just don’t know.”

Military network security specialists aren’t sure whether the virus and its so-called “keylogger” payload were introduced intentionally or by accident; it may be a common piece of malware that just happened to make its way into these sensitive networks. The specialists don’t know exactly how far the virus has spread. But they’re sure that the infection has hit both classified and unclassified machines at Creech. That raises the possibility, at least, that secret data may have been captured by the keylogger, and then transmitted over the public internet to someone outside the military chain of command

54 posted on 12/15/2011 11:43:40 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: alex2011

You people BELIEVE this? Geez. “We genius Iranians made this happen.” Yeah, right.


55 posted on 12/15/2011 11:44:27 AM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: alex2011

BTW, if anything should be in “breaking news”, this should be it, rather than, “Time Person of the Year: The Protester”.


56 posted on 12/15/2011 11:47:01 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: jpsb
Continuing

The aircaft maintains a series of way points
If craft find itself some delta from it's expected position
Then the craft uses dead reckoning to return to a previous way point (and tries again) or it uses dead reckoning to return to base
problem solved.

57 posted on 12/15/2011 11:47:37 AM PST by jpsb
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To: dragnet2

You could be right. I personally don’t take anything mObama does as proof positive of something. That could come back to bite me at times like this, but it’s still my policy.


58 posted on 12/15/2011 11:49:32 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: dragnet2

“The potential for causing absolute chaos and havoc to our systems, is beyond scary.”

I firmly believe that if we are ever close to a hot event with China, much of this will be made evident, quietly at first.


59 posted on 12/15/2011 11:49:37 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: M. Thatcher

You don’t need to be a genius to do what the Iranians says they did. In fact even before this post,I wrote in some comments basically the same thing. Its not hard to do for professionals,especially if you have some help from Russians and/or Chicoms. What’s more crazy is that nobody did it before since its fairly simple for nation-state,and 2. That this advanced Bird didn’t have redundancies and countermeasures (most likely our designed got complacent.)


60 posted on 12/15/2011 11:51:17 AM PST by alex2011
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