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Question of the Day: Who Knew Automatic Rifles and Grenades Were Legal in Belgium?
The Truth About Guns ^ | 15 December, 2011 | Dan Zimmerman

Posted on 12/15/2011 5:26:47 PM PST by marktwain

Ex-convict Nordine Amrani went on a shooting and hand grenade spree in a public square in Liege, Belgium Tuesday after first killing someone at his home. Three were murdered at the square during the attack and one died later. “Armed with grenades and an automatic assault rifle, Amrani killed two teenaged boys and a 17-month-old baby on a square crowded with school-children and lunch-hour Christmas shoppers before shooting himself in the head.” Belgian politicians are now lining up to express their horror and – quicker than a Kardashian gets divorced – call for tougher gun laws…

What’s that? It sounded like you said, “I thought Belgium, like all enlightened European countries, already had some of the toughest gun laws in the western world.” Well, you’re right about that. But as an AFP story in theprovince.com reports, that doesn’t seem to matter.

New Prime Minister Elio Di Rupo will detail government proposals before the parliament later Thursday after calls for a tightening of laws on weapons trafficking and an examination of whether to re-examine rules on repeat offenders.

Belgium’s gun laws were drastically tightened after two racially-driven murders in 2006 by a far-right 18-year-old, but new Home Affairs Minister Joelle Milquet this week expressed alarm over an increasing number of weapons available illegally.

Because as we all know, more gun laws always affect criminals first and foremost. But maybe – just maybe – the problem here wasn’t the lack of laws on the books.

The 33-year-old Amrani, who had a passion for arms, was well known to police before he went on the rampage, with a record dating back to children’s courts and charges for drug dealing, petty theft, illegal arms possession, and even a conviction for rape.

It will be hard to make automatic rifles and grenades any more illegal in Belgium. But as was the case involving the murder of a New York City police officer, another option – one that won’t require Belgium’s undoubtedly overworked public servants to pass more unanimously passed legislation – will be to enforce the laws already on the books, and keep known felons in jail.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automatic; banglist; belgium; grenades
Everyone but the criminal and government is disarmed....
1 posted on 12/15/2011 5:26:51 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Although it’s difficult to find this in print, the perp in this case was upset over the sentences handed out to two parents, convicted of orchestrating an honor killing...of their daughter. The parents got their kids to kill their sister. The kids got sentenced too.

So the news reports all say, gee, motive unknown, mentally unstable, maybe drugs were involved. No terror links, even though hand grenades are an uncommon commodity.

I think it was Sudden Jihad Syndrome personally.


2 posted on 12/15/2011 5:31:08 PM PST by DBrow
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To: marktwain

You are, of course, Mr Twain, correct.

The criminals and the nut jobs will always be armed if they so desire............I don’t know what about that is so hard for so many people to understand. The Second Amendment is about giving us the right to protect ourselves from these criminals—and from the government if the need ever arises.


3 posted on 12/15/2011 5:31:58 PM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: marktwain
Guns?

What guns?

It takes two to catch me cause I'm gunna deny it.

4 posted on 12/15/2011 5:32:56 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

I have a grenade on my desk ,it has a tag that says “take a number”


5 posted on 12/15/2011 5:34:49 PM PST by molson209
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To: DBrow
One thing the Belgians simply don't worry about is killing people. They actually have a reported "involuntary euthanasia" rate, just like Nederland. (SEE: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285423/Half-Belgiums-euthanasia-nurses-admit-killing-consent.html )

The only question for the politicians there is whether or not one of their own was at risk, and if not they won't do anything except pass some amendment to an existing law.

6 posted on 12/15/2011 5:36:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: marktwain

Oh right, tougher laws. Like automatic weapons and grenades are not outlawed in the European Union?? Look at England and how much more gun crime is there since their ban on guns. The more they’re banned the more the criminal element grows.


7 posted on 12/15/2011 5:38:12 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: molson209

Is the number on it 2 and the fist spot a burned black spot?


8 posted on 12/15/2011 5:41:31 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: marktwain

So was this an Islamicist angry at a pedophile, or a pedophile angry at an Islamicist?


9 posted on 12/15/2011 5:46:11 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: marktwain

The policy needs to be: if he’s too dangerous to own a gun, then he’s too dangerous to be loose on the street.


10 posted on 12/15/2011 6:02:00 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

Obviously Belgium isn’t serious about gun control. What they need is a law that requires that every house be thoroughly ransacked by the national police at least once a year.


11 posted on 12/15/2011 6:12:44 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: marktwain
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.

Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides,

For an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.

per TJ

(He bought some land that doubled the size of the US paying 42 cents per acre in 2010 dollars)

12 posted on 12/15/2011 6:17:05 PM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Navy Patriot; All
So was this an Islamicist angry at a pedophile, or a pedophile angry at an Islamicist?

Islam does not even consider pedophilia to be bad. The prophet Mohamed married a girl and consummated the marriage with her when she was nine. His acts are all considered to be an example to be followed by all Muslims.

My best guess is that it was a case of sudden jihad syndrome.

13 posted on 12/15/2011 6:38:03 PM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
What you say is true, and I was aware of those facts.

If you take a second look, you will see that the correct answer to my question is: both.

14 posted on 12/15/2011 7:04:19 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: marktwain
Everyone but the criminal and government is disarmed....

And they differ how?

15 posted on 12/15/2011 9:27:58 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: marktwain
Everyone but the criminal and government is disarmed....

And they differ how?

16 posted on 12/15/2011 9:28:09 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: marktwain
Everyone but the criminal and government is disarmed....

And they differ how?

17 posted on 12/15/2011 9:28:21 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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