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To: John Valentine

This process, if it is real, would seem to fly in the face of practically all thermodynamics and the principle of conservation of energy. What is to keep the process from reversing, and in doing so, ABSORB a great deal of energy?

Getting the nuclei of four Hydrogen atoms (protons) to somehow fuse with the nucleus of ANY other element runs into a serious problem, right away. The existing nucleus will RESIST the approach of any additional protons, because of being a like charge, much like a magnet. Only the force of HUGE gravitational pressure will force the nuclei of hydrogen atoms to fuse, and that is what is at the heart of fusion. Which is what ignites the fire within a very large closely packed quantity of hydrogen, is this very great gravitational pressure.

This will not occur at anywhere near room temperature, or even the temperature of the sun’s surface. It takes the “millions and millions” of degrees of temperature found at the core of a star, plus the pressure.

Nicht moeglich.


8 posted on 12/16/2011 6:27:21 AM PST by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: alloysteel

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

You are so smart! Ohhhh!

Hot fusion is a dead end and a research money pit. They’ve been telling us it was 10 years away for the last 40 years.

LENR reactions are an overlooked source of energy. And once I did a search on commercial Nickel catalysts found that they are used worldwide for cracking operations where hydrogen has to be freed in a chemical reaction.

It doesn’t seem to far fetched to me that there are viable nickel catalysts that can do the trick. Rossi just isn’t telling.

Oh yeah, they said man ocould never fly, umm we could never go to the moon, room temperature semi-conductors were science fiction oh and my favorite. The world is flat.


25 posted on 12/16/2011 7:52:53 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: alloysteel

No, the process posited to run his devices does not violate any laws of thermodynamics, at least not once the notion of energy is corrected for the interconvertibility of mass and energy given Einstein’s famous E = mc^2 (without which all nuclear reactions would appear to violate conservation of energy). The binding energy of the isotope of copper produced is lower than that of the nickel isotope, and there is no binding energy in a bare proton. The tiny mass difference between the proton plus nickle nucleus and the copper nucleus is what is supposedly being released by Rossi’s device.

I have no idea whether it’s real or a scam, but there are adequate theoretical explanations for the process that it can’t be dismissed.


32 posted on 12/16/2011 8:50:18 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: alloysteel
...seem to fly in the face of practically all thermodynamics...

Obviously, then, you do not understand what is going on in there. Neither do I, but that is not to say that it is any less real.

Who knows?

At any rate it has nothing to do with me, and time will tell if it is real or not. All I can say is that if this is a hoax, it has duped a large number of people who ought to know better under some pretty strict conditions of test. The rest of us can speculate all we like, as a kind of parlor game, but none of us are impacted at all one way or the other, so short of a final resolution, I'll stand on the sidelines.

37 posted on 12/16/2011 12:13:18 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: alloysteel
No one here is an expert in the matter but you do need to bring yourself up to date regarding the concept of "tunneling". George Gamow presented it as a solution to some problems in physics and it turned out to be just the trick.

No one disputes that "tunneling" is a real phenomenon. There are some disputes about how it occurs and whether or not we can ever control it at micro-quantity levels and relatively low aggregate temperatures.

The principle of conservation of energy is fully addressed in any serious discussion of the Strong Nuclear Force ~ we do, in fact, break atoms apart and release energy, and we do, in fact, fuse neutrons and protons to atomic nuclei on a regular basis ~ sometimes with brute force, and sometimes not.

LENR theory proposes that there are "windows of opportunity" in and among all those hot spots where we can do these things an atom at a time and take advantage of the released energy.

38 posted on 12/16/2011 6:47:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: alloysteel
What is to keep the process from reversing, and in doing so, ABSORB a great deal of energy?

Yeah baby...E-cat air conditioning.

Getting the nuclei of four Hydrogen atoms (protons) to somehow fuse with the nucleus of ANY other element runs into a serious problem, right away. The existing nucleus will RESIST the approach of any additional protons, because of being a like charge, much like a magnet. Only the force of HUGE gravitational pressure will force the nuclei of hydrogen atoms to fuse, and that is what is at the heart of fusion. Which is what ignites the fire within a very large closely packed quantity of hydrogen, is this very great gravitational pressure.

Yeah, and I understand there is a gizmo that you can put on your car that makes hydrogen from water with free energy from the alternator. < /sarc >

43 posted on 12/16/2011 7:54:35 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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