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Newt's unpopular truth: Palestine wasn’t even a country 100 years ago
The Edmonton Sun ^ | December 16, 2011 | Michael Coren

Posted on 12/16/2011 7:10:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Newt Gingrich got into all sorts of trouble a few days ago when he claimed: “There was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. We’ve had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and who were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places.”

Newt, you’re completely correct, and this is one of the bravest and most intellectually informed things any of the Republican candidates have said so far.

Contrary to what you might hear from leftists, labour leaders, students and manipulative Arab activists carefully pulling on the emotional heart-strings of gullible westerners, the Palestinians as an identified group trace their ancestry not — as with the Jews — back thousands of years, but to 1920.

Until then, Arabs living in what we now know as Israel regarded themselves as Muslim or Christians, and not as Palestinians.

For centuries they had been subjects of the Ottoman Empire, and as Arabs did not recognize any particular national boundaries, and felt commonality with Muslims in Algeria or Yemen rather than Christians who lived in the next village.

Ottoman maps and records, and the writings of foreign travellers, do not speak of Palestine or Palestinians.

It was the British, who had taken the region from the Turks during the First World War, who in 1920 formed Palestine, just as they artificially created nations all over their empire.

The local Arabs were stunned, and resistant.

The Muslims explained that this “Palestine” meant nothing, and that they were southern Syrians, loyal to Damascus.

It was the vehemently pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic Amin el-Husseini, the so-called Mufti of Jerusalem who, when he wasn’t praising Hitler as the new messiah and demanding the Nazis extend the Holocaust to the Middle East, developed the idea of the Palestine homeland, partly because the French had taken Syria.

From the 1920s on, this new phantom would come to dominate the Arab narrative.

Where no nation had existed, one had to be born. To the point where, today, we are obliged to listen to young men and women born in Canada, shouting at us about the plight of their Palestinian ancestors, and how they want nothing more than to return to the country and the land to which they belong. Oh Palestine, I was told by a protester in Toronto just a few months ago, we need you as a child needs a mother.

Not much of a mom though, and not often at home or looking after the kids. Of course people who once lived in the area no longer live there, and of course there were crimes committed and injustices perpetrated.

But nothing on the scale of the million Jews expelled from the Arab world, who can trace their lineage with far greater depth and longevity than the alleged Palestinians.

But Palestine is fashionable, the Jewish/Christian temple never existed, the Jews all came from Poland, and lies become truth.

Newt, for all of your failings, you had the courage to speak truth to power this week, and for that we all should be grateful.

Any pal of honesty is a pal of mine, if not stine.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gingrich; inventedpeople; israel; newt; palestine; palestinians
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1 posted on 12/16/2011 7:10:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It takes guts and I admire and respect him for saying it. About time some of these taboos get kicked to the curb.


2 posted on 12/16/2011 7:22:44 PM PST by Track9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pssst. Don’t tell anyone but even as we speak it’s not even a country now, foreseeable future.


3 posted on 12/16/2011 7:27:45 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Newt finally called a Fakestinian a Fakestinian. Bout time.


4 posted on 12/16/2011 7:30:52 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I refer any lefties and the media that happen to read this, to former PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein:

Quote:

“The Palestinian people does not exist.

The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity.

In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem.

However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

The only reason the “Palestinians” exist is so genocidal Muslims can convince gullible leftists to support them in their quest to exterminate the Jews.

Hat tip to Oleg Atbashian for this.


5 posted on 12/16/2011 7:34:19 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Nor is it now.

In at least one of the Olympics before WWII, there was a delegation from Palestine.

Every member of the team was a Jew.

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


6 posted on 12/16/2011 7:35:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Newt should have used the correct term - “Palisimian”.


7 posted on 12/16/2011 7:40:55 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We’ve had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs

A fake country full of fake people with an even faker religion.

8 posted on 12/16/2011 7:42:22 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Sick of Lefties; Chainmail; StrongandPround; lilyramone; crusadersoldier; ...
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9 posted on 12/16/2011 7:46:22 PM PST by narses
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It still isn’t a country and never has been.


10 posted on 12/16/2011 7:49:05 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There was no country of Palestine. Someone created a list of questions to ask in a search for proof that “Palestine” existed as a country before 1947/48.

I recall a couple criteria:

1. Show us their history books
2. Show us their newspapers
3. Show us their land titles
4. Show us their passports
5. Who were their leaders? (Arafat arose in 1967 as a pawn of Nasser’s Egypt but apparently was around in the 50’s).
6. What countries around the world recognized and had diplomatic relations with the country “Palestine” before 1947/48, 1967, 1973, 1980’s, 1990’s? Recognizing a terrorist organization, the PLO, doesn’t mean recognizing a country.
7. What were the names of Palestine’s diplomat?

I think you get the drift of these questions.

THERE WAS NO PALESTINE, AND ANYONE WHO WAS CALLED A PALESTINIAN WAS A SUBJECT OF GREAT BRITAIN UNDER THE BRITISH MANDATE. Previously they were subjects of the Ottoman Empire.

No Arab country existed before 1923 or so, including Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Dubai, Oman?, Jordan,except ancient Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and perhaps the seaport city/state of Aden.


11 posted on 12/16/2011 8:01:16 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I’d start with Egypt and several that were around a long time ago.


12 posted on 12/16/2011 8:03:49 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Track9

“It takes guts and I admire and respect him for saying it. About time some of these taboos get kicked to the curb.”

Newt was pretty far down my list of choices, but HE KICKED ASS here. In particular, he pointed out how the Palestinians raise their kids to HATE JEWS and CELEBRATE their suffering and deaths...even in their grade school textbooks.

I remember Bibi pointing that same thing out 15 years ago...and President Clinton telling him (essentially) to “get over it” and sign a deal.

Great for Newt.


13 posted on 12/16/2011 8:15:31 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

and the man Newt wants for his VP also knows history =

This ticket would scare the bejeebers out of the Evil Triumvirate: demRats, media and Establishment Republicans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Ap4JNqt6rOs


14 posted on 12/16/2011 8:22:40 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ron Cantor wrote this some time ago:
>http://messiahsmandate.org<

15 Facts About Palestine that You Won’t Hear in the Mainstream Media

I wrote this nearly 10 years ago, but after hearing Chris Cotter on Fox New’s Redeye so confidently declare

following words, I thought it was time to edit and resend:

Referring to Helen Thomas’ statement that the Jews should ‘get the hell out of Palestine’ Cotter

said,“[Thomas] remembers [before 1948] when Palestine was a nation.” Somehow, a reporter on the Fox Business

Channel assumed that Israel came into being by taking over an Arab country called Palestine. Hopefully he knows his stocks

better than his history. Sadly no one on the show, including Greg Gutman, the Jewish host, corrected him. So I will…

No Mr. Cotter, Palestine was not a nation in 1947, 46 or 45, not in 1847 or 1047 or 47. In fact, Palestine has never been a

nation. To be fair, so many, not just Cotter, simply assume these things from what they pick up in the media. So let us look

at these 15 facts.

I. Palestine was NOT an Arab nation that the Jews came in and took over after the UN vote in 1947.

A. Great Britain in fact controlled that region of the Middle East until she grew tired of governing the volatile area and

asked the UN to decide what to do with it.

B. Before Great Britain won the land in WWI, the Turks had controlled it since the early 1500s. Turks are not Arabs.

C. In fact, Palestine has never been the name of any country!

II. Where did the name come from?

A. The Romans!

B. In an effort to rid Judea of its Jewishness, the Romans renamed the area Filistia (Palestine) in the mid-130s AD.

They were tired of pesky Jewish uprisings and so decided to deport the Jews and change the name. The name came from

the ancient Philistines (who have no connection to present day Arabs. The Philistines were wiped out in 1200 BC).[i]

C. It was a region not a nation. There has never been a president of Palestine (before Arafat), or a government of

Palestine! It could be compared to New England, which is a region in America and has no government.

III. The UN Vote did not merely give Israel authority to create a state, but granted to the Arabs living on the West

side of the Jordan river to also create an independent country.

A. The Arabs rejected it. They could have had their own nation in 1948, but they said no.

B. The Jews accepted it and on May 14th, 1948 Israel was re-birthed.

C. The Arabs became part of Jordan.

IV. When the PLO was created Jordan controlled the West Bank.

A. The goal of the PLO was to liberate Palestine. However the West Bank was already in Arab hands.

B. They wanted Israel.

C. In other words, if their goal was to create an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank, they should’ve been

fighting Jordan not Israel!

D. Of course, their goal was Israel’s demise.

V. Before Israel was re-birthed in 1948, any person who lived in that region was considered Palestinian:

Arab or Jew. The Jewish newspaper was called the Palestine Post.

A. QUESTIONS:

1. Why would any Jew name his newspaper after another people group?

2. Why would any Jew name his paper after an Arab country?

VI. Jerusalem was the first capital of Israel under King David. It has never been the capital of any other country

- Including the fictitious Palestine. It has never (until Israel controlled it) been significant to Arabs.

A. In others words you will not find these words in the Koran, but the Hebrew Scriptures:

If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof

of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy. (Ps. 137: 5-6)

VII. When Israel captured Jerusalem, it was not from Palestinians, but from Jordan.

A. Questions:

1. Why didn’t Palestinians demand Jerusalem, when Jordan controlled it (1948-1967)?

2. Why didn’t the Jordanians create an independent Palestinian state with the West Bank? It was certainly in their

power? The reason is simple. Jordanians made no distinction between Arabs that lived east of the Jordan and those who

lived west of the Jordan. They were all Jordanian.

VIII. Israel had no plans on attacking Jordan during the Six Day War. However, King Hussein believed the false

reports from Egyptian President Nasser of Egypt that they were winning the war. King Hussein, in hopes of getting

more land, attacked Israel and his troops were driven back over the Jordan River in a matter of days. That is how

Israel ended up with Jerusalem in 1967.

IX. There is no language known as Palestinian. They speak Arabic like Jordanians and Syrians and Egyptians.

X. There is no rich Palestinian history. You will not find history books that detail Palestinian culture going back

centuries.

XI. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (a nation created by Great Britain 1922), Syrians,

Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

XII. Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the

landmass.[ii]

XIII. When the Jewish people began to return to ‘Palestine’ in the late 1800s:

A. The Turks, not the Arabs, controlled it

B. Every bit of Land was paid for by the returning Jews—nothing was stolen!

XIV. Israel was a swamp-infested wasteland that no one, including the Arabs really cared about. Until the Jews

returned the land suffered neglect. It was only after the Jews came back and made the land prosperous and fruitful

again and developed a nation, that the fictitious Palestinian history was developed.

XV. Religious Significance of Jerusalem

A. Jerusalem or Zion appears nearly ONE THOUSAND times in the Old and New Covenants, whereas it appears in

the Koran exactly ZERO times!

The last thing that should be noted is that I wrote this to gets the facts out about Palestine. While the history may be made up,

the Arabs who live among us here in Israel are real people who were made in God’s image. We must pray for their salvation.

[i] At the time of Christ the Jewish state was ruled by puppet kings of the Romans, the Herods. When the Jews revolted in 66

AD, the Romans destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem (70 AD). The Bar Kokba revolt between 132 and 135 AD was also

suppressed, Jericho and Bethlehem were destroyed, and the Jews were barred from Jerusalem. The Roman Emperor Hadrian

determined to wipe out the identity of Israel-Judah-Judea. Therefore, he took the name Palastina and imposed it on all the

Land of Israel. At the same time, he changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina. The Romans killed many Jews and

sold many more in slavery. Some of those who survived left the devastated country (and established Jewish communities

throughout the Middle East) but there was never a complete abandonment of the Land of Israel. That is, there were always

Jews and Jewish communities in Palestine, though the size and conditions of those communities fluctuated greatly. (Palestine

Facts, What was the History of Palestine between Biblical Times and the Modern Era)

[ii] Joseph Farar, Myths of the Middle East


15 posted on 12/16/2011 8:22:51 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: morphing libertarian

Egypt, as the British would say, “is across the pond” and doesn’t count re the Arabian peninsula region/Sinai/Negev areas.

They messed with the early Israelis, once, and got “all wet”. You’d think they would learn, but NOOOO! Only Mubarak had half a brain in his dealings with modern Israel. Sadat wasn’t too bad but I’m afraid that new information shows he had alterior motives in why he made peace with Israel.


16 posted on 12/16/2011 8:29:47 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Not responsive to my point.


17 posted on 12/16/2011 8:37:51 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah.

I have a comment.

EVERYONE KNOWS THE TRUTH.

Having the balls to follow words with action is an entirely different animal.

The Israeli’s stay.

All the moslems get bulldozed into mass graves.


18 posted on 12/16/2011 8:57:11 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Palestine wasn’t even a country 100 years ago

Neither was Israel


19 posted on 12/16/2011 9:25:59 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

No, but it was 2,000 to 5,000 years ago. Big difference, eh?


20 posted on 12/16/2011 9:48:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: maine-iac7

Allen West is The Honey Badger. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/312307.php


21 posted on 12/16/2011 9:56:23 PM PST by anglian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

!


22 posted on 12/16/2011 10:22:25 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: G Larry
Sadly no one on the show, including Greg Gutman, the Jewish host, corrected him.

His name is Gutfeld and he was born and raised a Roman Catholic.

He is now purported to be an agnostic.

23 posted on 12/16/2011 10:35:16 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The real problem - and everyone should know it by now - is not the peoplehood of the Palestinians. It’s Islam that has stolen their humanity. So Gingrich told a truth, but not the WHOLE truth. And there are the situations - the never-ending clashes in many other countries besides Israel - to prove it. Sudan, Nigeria, Thailand, the Philippines, India, Bali, Sweden, UK...etc. etc.

THAT is the truth that only a few politicians dare to utter. ISLAM = eternal strife. Their concept of freedom and tolerance plus economic concerns prevents them from saying what should be an obvious, observable fact.

If the Palestinians weren’t Muslims, nobody would be fussing.


24 posted on 12/17/2011 12:25:29 AM PST by Youaskedforit
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To: G Larry

Thank you for a good summarization of the history regarding the region.


25 posted on 12/17/2011 1:23:51 AM PST by octex
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Israel should, in the UN, demand the 1920 borders of the mandate and negotiate from there rather than the 1967 borders.


26 posted on 12/17/2011 7:03:26 AM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: G Larry

The British governor of the Reagen in 1920, Lord Balfour, was directed to establish the borders of the Palestinian Mandate, as a home land of the Jews. The mandate included all of Jordan and Gaza and parts of Lebanon, Syria and Saudi Arabia.
Balfour, being a virulent anti-semitic saw this as a solution to what he perceived as the Jewish problem. He viewed the mandate as barren desert incapable of supporting all the worlds Jews so that most would die of starvation. Contrary to Balfour’s and their Arab neighbors expectations, the Jews have thrived even though denied most of the mandates territory.


27 posted on 12/17/2011 7:48:01 AM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Comments?"

Kind of a long article to set up a lame pun?

28 posted on 12/17/2011 12:22:27 PM PST by NicknamedBob (I am as down-to-Earth as a baby duck, but my mind still roams the stars.)
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