Posted on 12/19/2011 11:09:43 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
Very well stated. I agree with all your commments. My heart bleeds for this child, who will remain in jail until he is nearly 40 years of age. Imagine the horrors he will now suffer in that jail. The very thing he feared. There is no justice here.
He was a 14 yo boy tried as an adult. I have no problem with him being tried as a child.
Shooting someone for simple assault and/or harassment is wrong, especially these being students in a school setting. A good old punch in the nose of the offending homo should have been appropriate and would have solved the problem. Bullets are way overboard, here.
If there’s one thing I’m noticing in my interactions with teenage boys as a Scoutmaster, is that many lack basic coping skills. They’re not prepared to just brush off the more mundane events one encounters on a daily basis. Instead, they’re viewed as critically damaging to one’s ego and standing. They go into a “face saving” mode, some in a violent manner.
Had a scout not too long ago, that was being picked on a bit by another during a weekend outing. The tormentor, as many are, was sly, always doing it out of sight of the leaders. Finally during one of the closing activities, the tormentor slipped and did it out in the open. Only by this time, the victim had reached his breaking point and lashed out at his tormentor. Luckily, no one was hurt because we happened to be standing nearby. But it just goes to show that attaching a boilerplate template to all teenage boys isn’t an option. They each have their own thresholds of tolerance, what they’re willing to put up with.
In this instance, I did a lot of reading up on the story. This kid essentially felt like he had no options. I’m guessing his family either didn’t know about it or brushed it off and adding in the so called school administration, the boy must have felt he had no where else to turn for help.
I talk with our son about how to cope with different things all the time. We have times where he comes home torn up over something I consider trivial, but for him, is not. We talk it out and he is usually able to see it through pretty well.
One thing I’ve told him though, is that he never has to tolerate any unwanted sexual advances of any kind. If he ever encounters them, he is to let us know and we’ll deal with it.
He’s not big into confrontations, so we’re pretty confident, but in the back of my mind...I’m always wondering if he won’t just reach a breaking point at some time.
Teenage boys can be extremely complex from an emotional perspective.
Moral equivalency of homo-perversion and regular sexuality don't work here, or anywhere else, TrumanTroll.
If he had punched the fag kid he would be crucified by now. Ruined for life, deemed a social menace, mentally ill, on drugs, etc.
The school administration created this situation.
Indeed they did, with tragic consequences. Another example of government education at its worst. They are at least partially responsible for this tragedy, IMHO.
Even my daughter was outraged by this, and used it in a report she did for a college psych course.
On the other hand, the guy took a pistol to school, calmly walked up to his classmate, and shot him in the back of the head.
I’m sure many 14-year-olds would have gotten off easy in this case, and that the victim’s gay status hurt his chances, but he pled guilty, and 21 years really isn’t too long to put a person in jail for premeditated murder.
(Note: the jury hung in the 1st trial, mostly over the question of whether the killing was 1st degree murder or not).
If you want to look for reasons to cut the guy slack, he was reacting because the gay boy kept hitting on him and embarrassing him. In a rational world the gay boy would have been thrown out of school for sexual harrassment, but the VP in charge was a lesbian who some say encouraged the gay boy to act out.
In fact, the gay boy’s parents are now suing the school system for allowing their boy to wear provacative clothing, because by rights the dress code should have gotten him suspended.
But in the end, I don’t look for good excuses for people to kill other people who are not threatening their life. Maybe if all the people who killed others in cold blood had to face 21-year-sentences as a minimum, we’d have fewer people being killed.
No argument from me, here. Of course they'd attempt to crucify him. But he wouldn't be in prison for over 2 decades.
I think a good defense could be made for a punch in the nose. Sounds like this faggot has been harassing several other students, and everyone knew he was a menace. To hell with the homoactivists' screeching.
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SZonian's comment says it all. Here's my solution for this - the killer should be judged as a minor, not an adult, and the extreme provocation by the homosexual (or whatever he was) student, and the complicity of the adults and especially the school administration and teachers - should be taken into consideration. And then the adults who should have stepped in long ago to stop the mentally ill and perverted behavior of the homosexual (or whatever he was) kid, should be punished as adults, as accessories to the crime.
And if she were to blast a bullet into the head of a kid who hit on her, she would be in the wrong and should go to prison for a very long time.
However, my daughter has developed the intellectual and emotion skills to deal with such an issue without resorting to murder.
— A male student ( employee) had harassed a female student ( employee) in the same manner.
The principal and teachers who did **know** about the harassment should be:
— criminally charged for deliberately and maliciously allowing and condoning child abuse,
—investigated by the Child Protection Services, and forever removed from any contact with children,
—fired from their jobs,
—registered as sex offenders for condoning child sex abuse,
—and then **personally** sued for into oblivion for malpractice by the parents of the sexually molested boy.
None of the above will happen though. Down on the “Animal Farm”, socialist K-12 school teachers and principals live in the Farmer's House. The rest of us get the barn. OINK!
( Just wondering)
My conclusion:
—There are no “good” teachers at this kid's socialist school. There likely aren't many elsewhere either.
Actually, the statutes acknowledge several different levels of murder, with corresponding levels of crime.
In addition, while murder is killing, killing is certainly not always murder.
Killing in self-defense is not murder.
Killing by someone non-competent is not murder.
But of course, in this case, the deceased was homosexual and socially empowerd by public school district employees. So of course it is maximum hate-crime first degree murder with aggravated circumstances against a saint.
Wow! What a strawman of your creation. Who in this thread said such a thing ( except yourself.)
That “child” should be executed for murdering someone in cold blood.
Murder is still murder.
In addition, while murder is killing, killing is certainly not always murder.
I didn't say "killing is murder." If you look carefully at what I wrote, you'll find that I said "murder is murder." Note the presence of a period at the end of the sentence.
Killing in self-defense is not murder.
What was the killer defending himself against in this case?
Killing by someone non-competent is not murder.
What made this killer "non-competent?"
But of course, in this case, the deceased was homosexual and socially empowerd by public school district employees. So of course it is maximum hate-crime first degree murder with aggravated circumstances against a saint.
I take a back seat to no one in my rejection of any kind of special status among "victim groups" for any purpose, including that of classifying violent crimes against members of victim groups as somehow more heinous than if committed against a person not belonging to such a group.
That said, murder is murder.
Lawrence King engaged in what can only be called inappropriate behavior for some time before his death. Before McInerney's trial, it was reported that instead of putting the kibosh on this behavior, the assistant principal, an open lesbian, encouraged it, to the point of giving King a gift card so he could buy girls' shoes, which he wore on campus. But she didn't stop there. She also issued a memo to the faculty to not interfere with King's behavior.
And so, as it was revealed during the trial, King would wear dresses (including one given to him by a teacher), makeup and wigs and often parade himself in front of groups of other male students, saying, "I know you want me." He also would follow fellow students to the boys' restroom.
On any other planet this would be considered harassment at the very least, but, again, no one was allowed to do anything.
Finally, Lawrence King came on to the wrong kid.
It is also worth mentioning that King's biological mother did not have custody of her son and so was completely unaware of any of this until after the fact. She said if she had known what was going on at that school, she would have stopped it.
Bottom line is this: The responsibility for Lawrence King's death lies mostly with the school and King himself.
The child should have been prosecuted as a child. There were jurors who agreed, thus no verdict. I have no problem prosecuting him, just not as an adult.
Yes. In the "Hate Crimes" view, the killer of a straight person is guilty of a lesser crime than the killer of a gay person.
It's insane, and it's actual law.
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