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To: wagglebee
The position on abortion of being "not at any time and not for any reason" is a specifically Roman Catholic position.

This has NEVER been the Catholic position.

Catholics, as well as all true Christians, believe that a mother's life is sacred and will permit any MEDICALLY-NECESSARY procedure to save the mother's life even if it results in the tragic loss of the baby.

I stand corrected, and apologize to you and to all Catholics. I assure you that my statement was out of ignorance and not out of malice.

The purpose of my post was to point out that, like everything else in life, the fate of the unborn should be determined by Divine Law. Most of the time abortion is strictly forbidden and a capital offense. Sometimes it is strictly forbidden, but not a capital offense. And in a very few, specific instances it is mandatory. In other cases the baby may not be terminated for any reason whatsoever, including the health of the mother.

In all these cases it is not "choice" or secular ethics that should determine the outcome but adherence to Divine Law. Morality separated from Divine Law is the essence of Marxism, humanism, and all other non-Theistic moral/ethical systems.

56 posted on 12/19/2011 4:30:26 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
It has to do with intent.

Ectopic pregnancies are the most common instances of risk to the mother. The baby cannot survive, but the mother will also die if the pregnancy continues. If the intent is to save the mother, it is morally right and the intent never to kill the baby.

Pregnancies from rape and incest are extremely rare (about 3200 per year in the United States) and nobody will deny that they are tragic; however, the pregnancies themselves are no more likely to cause a risk to the mother's life than any other pregnancy.

57 posted on 12/19/2011 4:39:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I stand corrected, and apologize to you and to all Catholics. I assure you that my statement was out of ignorance and not out of malice.

Apology accepted. Please disregard my last post.

66 posted on 12/19/2011 6:03:15 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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