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To: A_perfect_lady; Just mythoughts

I don’t know.

“Just mythoughts” suggests that it has not been made yet. I think that it has already been made.

A story from the Bible seems appropriate here: Two men are described in a parable that Jesus Christ told his followers. One of the men lived a life of luxury and the other, whose name was Lazarus, was so poor and sick that dogs licked his wounds. Both men died and Lazarus was carried to paradise and the rich man to a place of torment. The man in torment could see Lazarus in paradise and he begged that he come to comfort him with a drop of water. But he was told that he could not go to the other man and that the other man could not come to him.

So, from the story it would seem that we will all go to one of two places: a place of torment and suffering or a place of peace and comfort. The story goes on to say that the rich man begged that Lazarus go and warn his family to stay away from the place of torment. But the rich man was told that his family had Moses and the prophets (the Bible) but the rich man said, “no, my family won’t believe unless someone goes to them from the dead.” And the rich man was told if his family wouldn’t believe Moses and the prophets they wouldn’t believe someone who goes to them from the dead either.

I believe that God exists and that there is a heaven and a hell. I also believe that God loves us and that He sent His Son to become one of us. Imagine that, the CREATOR of the Universe became one of us! He lived a perfect life and then died on a cross. By doing so, He paid the debt for our sins. And like I said in the prior post; it wasn’t a debt he owed. Nor it it one we are capable of paying.

So the real question is not what will happen to you when you die, but does it matter to you that HE died?

If God exists and if Christ is His Son and if His death paid the debt for your sin then IT MATTERS.

BTW, the story of the rich man and Lazarus is the only story Christ told which includes the name which suggests to many that it may be a true story rather than a parable.


151 posted on 12/22/2011 2:48:37 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: killermosquito

But you don’t know for sure, so you postulate the answer that seems reasonable to you. So does everyone else. That’s why there are so many different denominations and religions. People don’t know the answers, so they... just kind of “intuit” them based on whatever they can find that gives them something to go on, and their gut instinct. And I’m not picking on you: That’s what humans do. The Bible was written by humans, all intuiting and postulating and pronouncing and interpreting their little hearts out. But it’s really sound and fury, signifying nothing.


152 posted on 12/22/2011 3:43:05 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: killermosquito
The parable ‘part’ of Lazarus and that rich man is that both souls and their spirit intellect both return to the Maker that sent them at conception. But there is a ‘gulf’ that separates the over-comers from the nonbelievers.

Now since this thread is about Mr. Hitchens who recently went to meet His Maker, I do not believe any of us here still in flesh bodies can ‘judge’ which side of the ‘gulf’ that Mr. Hitchens returned. For all any of us know Mr. Hitchens could well have repented without our knowledge.

However, just because Mr. Hitchens has gone to meet His Maker just like the rest of us still here in flesh bodies also will return, Mr. Hitchens departure in no way dictates we must ignore his nasty acid laced words against the Creator and those that love Him.

There is no purpose for the final ‘hell’ yet, and the need for that fire that destroys from within the ‘soul/spirit’ entity will not come about until judgment day. The word hell has a multitude of meanings, such as war is hell. Or this present administration has declared ‘hell’ on America, meaning a state of shame and degradation. That shame and degradation is what that rich man discovered upon his return to the Maker that sent him.

173 posted on 12/23/2011 5:48:59 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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