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To: BrandtMichaels
Oh that is the biggest line of BS I have heard yet. Look, you need to come out of fantasy land. He was not called Emmanuel, his mother was not a virgin, he didn't come back from the dead, he didn't rule Israel, and he didn't come back and establish a kingdom of God in their lifetime. His followers scattered until it was safe and then a handful of them told their stories. They added some "miracles" and a whole bunch of threats and promises. The Catholic Church edited it till they were satisfied with it, and now suckers like you believe it and go around threatening the rest of us that if we don't believe it too we are going to hell. You aren't scaring me, you aren't convincing me, you're just irritating me. Now quit nagging me with your fairy stories. It's a NO SALE.
183 posted on 12/23/2011 12:15:36 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady

Not as long as you continue playing fast and loose with the truth.

APL: “No, there is not much correlation between the archaeological record and the Bible. They both agree that there was a flood, but the Bible isn’t the only place that information was recorded.”
-The other flood accounts [see http://shipsonstamps.org/Topics/html/arche.htm ] have a lot more in common that different so how would you know if they did not all originate from the same account?

APL: “Any prophecies Jesus’ life seems to fulfill is because his disciples changed the details of his life to fit the descriptions as best they could after his death.”
-If they tried to change details to fit their story all the other critics and budding believers would have utterly destroyed the credibility needed.

“He shall be called Emmanuel”
-See Crosswalk.com and search, it will give you hundreds of [both old and new] direct references to this name.

APL: “Yeah, they called him that all the time! Sure!”
-Both God and Jesus are given lots of different names titles and references [apparently just to confuse you - sarc]

APL: “He shall be born of a virgin.”
-The account is factual imho b/c this is an article of faith that neither of us can truly resolve. An omnipotent God can do anything he pleases - even suspend the motion of the solar system for any length of time.

APL: “He shall be born in Bethlehem.”
-How is that not a given? We have evidence and also why they fled Israel due to Herod and why they returned to a different town - as he was known as a Nazarene! Grew up there from 7 years on iirc. See Micah 5:2 written centuries before - the town name appears over 40 times in the old testament and 8 in the new - you can check all these scriptures using crosswalk.com to search the Bible - heck I even entered a partially remembered phrase into other search engines and find the actual wording or in some cases the error - God has never said “this too shall pass” not ‘the Lord helps those who help themselves” they are just trite little sayings the culture repeats until people begin to think it so.

APL: ‘She was 9 months pregnant and ...’
Yes, when she delivered the baby - does not say specifically how long the journey of approx 70 miles took due to the decree of an evil King Herod - this is fulfilled prophecy again showing God knowing all these events from beginning to end before any had transpired. In Moses day the Egyptian Pharoah was used by God to fulfill prophecies.

+You do know of course that there were several different Kings in and around Jesus time named Herod - proven again by the archaeological records.

APL: “He shall rise again.”
YES He did! Of course, they didn’t ‘immediately’ recognize him -
Luke 24:15 Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him...

25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself...

30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?

APL: “Some of you will not taste death until the Kingdom of God comes”
-Au contraire I say still true and neither of us can prove that one either. No mere mortal could ever prove a future prophecy.

APL - [your words rephrased from my perspective]:
Look if you want to believe in all this ‘by mere chance all things’ nonsense, you go right ahead. I know people who believe as I do and we are commanded to defend our faith. But I am not selling it to you. You have free will and I am happy to try to please my Lord by following his decrees - to give a defense for why we believe.

You can keep all your money - the research is easy enough to do most of it right there at your computer.


184 posted on 12/23/2011 1:12:30 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: A_perfect_lady

Because some of the things you say are future prophecies to be fulfilled at His second coming. The 1st set of prophecies are call lamb prophecies - as in Christ the sacrificial lamb - the others are called lion prophecies when He returns to overthrow sin, and to establish his millenial kingdom.


185 posted on 12/23/2011 1:16:59 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: A_perfect_lady

I’ve posted no threats - you are just plain wrong.


186 posted on 12/23/2011 1:18:34 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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