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To: D-fendr
"Transcending logic" is a nonsensical phrase. It means "logic doesn't give me the answer I wanted, so..."

And before you even bother engaging with me, be warned: I don't care what Aquinas said. I don't care what Kant said. I don't care what Pascal said. I don't care what C.S. Lewis said. I don't care what any dead philosopher, saint, poet, or jesuit said. What I see and what I think are IT. You can tell me what you see and what you think but it won't matter to me.

44 posted on 12/20/2011 4:36:32 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
What I see and what I think are IT. You can tell me what you see and what you think but it won't matter to me.

So why not take your logic ball and go home?

49 posted on 12/20/2011 5:06:08 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: A_perfect_lady
It means "logic doesn't give me the answer I wanted, so..."

Only to a poorly taught logician or philosopher. A properly taught logician knows the limits of logic and what can and cannot be known using the tool.

Even a minimally taught logician knows that the statement: "All that can be known to be true or real can be proven using logic" is a false statement. Because it cannot be proven using logic.

No human being, yourself included, limits what they know or can know to what they know using logic alone. Only computers and droids could possibly do so, but not us lowly humans.

What I see and what I think are IT. You can tell me what you see and what you think but it won't matter to me.

This the statement of a pure subjectivist, relativist. There's no room here for objective truth, logical or otherwise. And, therefore, no common truth possible and therefore no basis for discussion on what is "true." It's not all that different from the position of those religionists which you denigrated earlier.    :)

But I do sincerely appreciate your time in reply.

53 posted on 12/20/2011 6:35:40 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

>> You can tell me what you see and what you think but it won’t matter to me.

Apparently it does.


56 posted on 12/20/2011 6:41:14 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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