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Parents advocate Wi-Fi ban despite evidence
Ottawa Citizen ^

Posted on 12/20/2011 11:43:52 AM PST by matt04

Although wireless Internet can be found everywhere from your corner coffee shop to your local dog park, a growing group of concerned parents across the country are urging health officials to keep it out of one place: schools.

And if this year was any indication, the chorus of opposition to the popular technology and its potential health effects is gaining momentum.

In September, at least 12 elementary and middle schools in Ontario and B.C. imposed sweeping bans on wireless Internet by not installing it or removing it completely from their classrooms. In May, the World Health Organization reclassified the radio frequency (RF) energy emitted through wireless devices such as cellphones and Wi-Fi connections as possibly carcinogenic.

Health Canada maintains that strong scientific evidence shows current exposure rates to these low-level frequencies is “not dangerous” and that there is no need for the public to take any precautions.

Still, those opposed to the technology urge for a more cautious approach to be taken with Wi-Fi, claiming the risks of long-term exposure in children are still unknown.

“This is not a question mark,” said Rodney Palmer with the Safe School Committee, a parents’ advocate group north of Toronto. “The idea is that we shouldn’t kill them to be online.”

Last year, Palmer’s two children aged six and 10, often came home from school feeling feverish. He says that the illnesses stopped when they were transferred this September to Pretty River Academy, a private school in Collingwood, Ont., which only uses wired Internet connections.

Palmer and other parents believe that Wi-Fi exposure can lead to an array of health symptoms including headaches, nausea and heart conditions.

“It’s very difficult to avoid Wi-Fi and it’s a huge problem in the classrooms, where the kids are for six hours a day,” said Magda Havas, a Trent University professor who has studied electronic-magnetic pollution since the mid 1990s.

“Then they go home and get exposed to another signal. It means their little bodies just can’t get rid of it basically.”

Havas cites past studies, which show that radio frequency exposure in rats led to an increase in tumours. A study she completed in 2010 also found a possible link between the frequencies and heart problems.

“I just can’t fathom how they can say that it’s safe,” she said.

But Dave Michelson, an associate professor of electrical engineering at the University of British Columbia disagrees.

Not only is wireless Internet safe; its opponents are doing the public more harm by spreading panic and misinformation, he says.

“This is the problem. These activists are good at intimidating,” said Michelson, who measures and researches radio-frequency energy.

“They have a deep-seated belief that it must be true. It becomes a matter of faith, not fact.”


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britishcolumbia; ontario; who; wifi
"It becomes a matter of faith, not fact." Well said Prof. Michelson.
1 posted on 12/20/2011 11:43:59 AM PST by matt04
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To: matt04
“Then they go home and get exposed to another signal. It means their little bodies just can’t get rid of it basically.”

Get rid of what?

2 posted on 12/20/2011 11:49:48 AM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

“Get rid of what?”

The stupidity of their parents. It’s following them to school now, too.


3 posted on 12/20/2011 11:53:59 AM PST by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: circlecity
“Then they go home and get exposed to another signal. It means their little bodies just can’t get rid of it basically.”

Get rid of what?

All of that electromagnetic energy that's being stored in their bodies, of course. Having them grab onto a water pipe to ground them for a few minutes might be a solution. :=)

4 posted on 12/20/2011 11:56:06 AM PST by Bob
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To: matt04

The next “logical” steps are to ban radio/TV/microwave communications/RADAR/GBS radio speakers/electric motors (there goes the Volt)/just plain magnets (there goes the magnetic field that protects us) and any other form of modern technologies. Turning parents into unibombers through the spread of ignorance...


5 posted on 12/20/2011 12:01:41 PM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: matt04

Unless it’s a very large school in area, they’re still likely to be exposed to this “dangerous” radiation from networks in adjacent buildings.


6 posted on 12/20/2011 12:02:04 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: matt04
Here ya go, protect the whole family...


7 posted on 12/20/2011 12:02:04 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: matt04

Let’s face it; most of the things that go into our schools are bad for the children.

Massive disinfective cleanup is needed.


8 posted on 12/20/2011 12:07:01 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: matt04

I wish the same amount of energy would go against those things shown to be harmful to the child’s soul (somewhere in the NT).


9 posted on 12/20/2011 12:11:15 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: matt04
Last year, Palmer’s two children aged six and 10, often came home from school feeling feverish. He says that the illnesses stopped when they were transferred this September to Pretty River Academy, a private school in Collingwood, Ont., which only uses wired Internet connections.

That actually could be a concern, especially if other kids come home from school feeling ill. There could be mold growing somewhere, like in the ventilation system or carpets. Or there could be a source of bacteria, or fumes from something. Removing the kids from that environment *would* cause an improvement.

Of course, the idea that Wi-Fi poses a health risk is ludicrous. Now, if they were against Wi-Fi because kids don't seem to be learning all that well, and computers and internet are present in more schools than ever--well, that would be a different matter.

10 posted on 12/20/2011 12:18:48 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: circlecity
Get rid of what?

The radio waves that are clogging up their bodies. Everyone knows that radio waves go in, but the body can't properly metabolize them so they build up. This is one of the main causes of obesity. Radio waves are turned into fat. /s

11 posted on 12/20/2011 12:30:29 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: matt04
Then they go home and get exposed to another signal.

So, the parents have wireless at home and they don't see that as a problem, but in school it is?

12 posted on 12/20/2011 12:32:43 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: matt04
We are now swiftly accelerating toward the dark.

Ignorant peasants will increasingly turn their backs on the technology that would save their lives. Technology as magic is only just a few steps away. The sheeple will gladly trade their freedom to the government to "protect them" from what they do not understand.

I weep for Western civilization.

13 posted on 12/20/2011 12:50:28 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: exDemMom

Mold is another one of those things that gets over blown.

I grew up on a farm in the Midwest. Mold was all over outside in the barns and in the old houses.

Might be because we were exposed to it all the time.


14 posted on 12/20/2011 12:52:48 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: matt04

These are the same kind of parents who endanger their children by refusing to have them vaccinated.


15 posted on 12/20/2011 12:58:53 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: redgolum

There are many different kinds of mold. While I agree that the “toxic mold” was overhyped, molds *do* cause some problems. Even the non-pathogenic ones can cause allergic reactions.

I grew up on a farm, too.


16 posted on 12/20/2011 1:01:15 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: matt04

But the cell phones they bought for their kids which operate at up to 6 times the output of wi-fi at almost the same frequencies and are in their pockets—well, those are ok. What ignorance.


17 posted on 12/20/2011 1:04:39 PM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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To: matt04

These radio waves sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!

18 posted on 12/20/2011 1:05:30 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: matt04

LOL. I am very much of the opinion that every classroom should have Wi-Fi, with two cameras linked to it. One pointing from the teachers desk toward the class, and one pointing AT the teachers desk FROM the class. I’ll bet discipline problems would drop like a lead brick if the kiddies thought that mom and dad might be tuning them in from work (or home). And likewise the teachers would probably perform better, if they knew that their paymasters could be looking in at any time.


19 posted on 12/20/2011 1:12:03 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: redgolum
"Mold is another one of those things that gets over blown. I grew up on a farm in the Midwest. Mold was all over outside in the barns and in the old houses. Might be because we were exposed to it all the time.

The kind of mold you're talking about (green mold) that grows on the outer surface of trees/old buildings, etc., is not a major culprit. The "bad actor" is/are the black molds that grow in dark areas with high moisture. THOSE are both highly allergenic and toxic. And the problem is much worse in warmer climes.

20 posted on 12/20/2011 1:15:40 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: matt04

In B.C.’s West Kootenay, where I live, there is a well-organized campaign against cell-phone towers serving isolated communities, and also against wireless ‘smart meters’, which make the gathering of electricity consumption info cheaper and more useful.

But invisible radio waves are cooking our brains, apparently.

Public education is a wonderful thing.


21 posted on 12/20/2011 1:18:17 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: matt04

School wiring eminates em waves.


22 posted on 12/20/2011 1:38:26 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Wonder Warthog; exDemMom
I am very aware of the black mold. It was all over the walls in old stone barns and such (mainly in the hog buildings). WW, you are correct that in the North, winter kills off a lot of the stuff.

Remember when hystoplasmosis was a big scare? My Dad's job sent him in to be tested, and they x rayed his lungs. The tech took one look at Dad's lungs and asked how long he was raising hogs!

Seems that if you have exposure at a young age, it doesn't affect you as bad. My local doctor laughed and said the same thing.

23 posted on 12/20/2011 2:47:56 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: matt04

To how many watts of energy is someone exposed if they’re sitting, for example, 20 feet from a typical Wi-Fi router operating at 2.4 GHz?

And to how many watts are they exposed by standing in direct sunlight at noon hour?

If the power output of a Wi-Fi device is enough to make you sick, shouldn’t we expect more energetic visible light to be considerably more dangerous? Yet you never hear of someone bursting into flames because they went outside on a sunny day.


24 posted on 12/20/2011 10:50:17 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: RansomOttawa
To how many watts of energy is someone exposed if they’re sitting, for example, 20 feet from a typical Wi-Fi router operating at 2.4 GHz?

And to how many watts are they exposed by standing in direct sunlight at noon hour?

Yeah, because watts are the only relevent aspect of the energies involved, right?

Not, like, frequency or something else. Hey, if it don't give you suburn, what harm can it do, eh Bobby Joe Bob?

Sheesh.

25 posted on 12/21/2011 12:42:42 AM PST by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Talisker
Not, like, frequency or something else.

Microwaves have a frequency several orders of magnitude less than that of visible light (2 GHz for Wi-Fi as opposed to hundreds of terahertz for visible light) . . . let alone the really dangerous radiation like X-rays or gamma rays.

The same holds true for energy level: microwaves have a photon energy measured in thousandths or millionths of electron-volts, as compared to that of visible light which is a thousand times higher or more.

And yet, visible light is non-ionizing. It doesn't have enough energy to strip electrons from atoms and cause damage to tissue. So why should I expect radiation of a thousandth the energy level to do worse?

Hey, if it don't give you suburn, what harm can it do, eh Bobby Joe Bob?

Sunburn is caused by ultraviolet radiation, which is ionizing and capable of damaging tissue.

Sheesh yourself.

26 posted on 12/21/2011 7:39:56 AM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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