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To: eCSMaster
Elizabeth Warren can not be any worse than Scott Brown.

Uh yeah, she is a lot worse actually. Warren is on the radical, far left. Brown is merely a RINO - a mushy moderate that denies the Democrats that seat.

And the House is not winning the payroll tax cut PR war. It looks suspiciously like Boehner and McConnell made a deal with Reid for the 2 month tax cut extension with the Keystone language in it, and McConnell delivered his votes and Boehner couldn't. This deal was considered a GOP win until the House decided it wouldn't go along. Now Boehner is making a virtue of necessity because he doesn't have the votes.

What is the end game here? The bill passed the Senate already, and because Obama accepted the Keystone stuff it makes it appear he negotiated and didn't get everything he wanted but went along anyway for the sake of bipartisanship (even though we know he was just stuck because many Senate Democrats support Keystone). The House is now out on a limb with nowhere to go. Senate Republicans are furious and don't want to come back to town. House Democrats are just having fun lampooning House Republicans. Hussein is busy saying he didn't get everything he wanted but tried to reach common ground with "responsible" Republicans. And if we don't change the dynamic in the next 2 weeks pretty much all working Americans taxes are going up because the payroll tax cut will expire. How exactly do we get a win out of this situation? It IS hurting the Republican party.

In the end, the House will likely have to pass the Senate version anyway. So what are we gaining now having bungled this fight? More than likely we are going to have to chalk this one up as a loss and come back in 2 months with everyone on the same page.

13 posted on 12/20/2011 4:10:12 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
Sorry, your viewpoint is consistent only with the elderly and those who will retire soon ~ and the US Senate age bracket pretty much fits that description.

The House is much younger. They would probably vote to ELIMINATE INDIVIDUAL FICA PAYMENT NOW. Just get it over with. In the average House member's mind there will be no SS in a couple of decades.

17 posted on 12/20/2011 4:13:43 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Longbow1969

How exactly do we get a win out of this situation?
The Senate agrees to a 12 month extension- we win.

It IS hurting the Republican party.
What’s hurting the Party is refusing to give the Tea Party anything.


20 posted on 12/20/2011 4:18:04 PM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' Majority Leader in 2012 now!)
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To: Longbow1969
How exactly do we get a win out of this situation? It IS hurting the Republican party.

So you think that the vast majority of House Republicans are wrong? We do not want this issue to come back before the election. The win is either the issue goes away or the President and his Senate lap dogs allow taxes to go up on working Americans.

The Senators will whine like little bitches but they will come back.

42 posted on 12/20/2011 6:38:33 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: Longbow1969
What is the end game here? The bill passed the Senate already, and because Obama accepted the Keystone stuff it makes it appear he negotiated and didn't get everything he wanted but went along anyway for the sake of bipartisanship (even though we know he was just stuck because many Senate Democrats support Keystone).

Beg to differ.

As written, the Senate payroll bill cannot be implemented. Every payroll system in the USA will have to be re-written in order to accommodate it -- during the next two weeks.

Not going to happen.

Was this out of ignorance? Or was it by design?

Harry Reid gave the Senate Democrats a clever way to vote for the Keystone pipeline -- without forcing the President into a veto he does not want to cast.

Obviously, the Senate bill cannot/should not be passed by the House. It's unworkable.

What was the purpose of a two-month extension anyway? What purpose was served?

44 posted on 12/20/2011 6:47:04 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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