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For Illegal Immigrant, Line Is Drawn at Transplant
The New York Times ^ | December 20, 2011 | NINA BERNSTEIN

Posted on 12/21/2011 1:45:15 PM PST by moonshinner_09

Without treatment to replace his failing kidneys, doctors knew, the man in Bellevue hospital would die. He was a waiter in his early 30s, a husband and father of two, so well liked at the Manhattan restaurant where he had worked for a decade that everyone from the customers to the dishwasher was donating money to help his family.

He was also an illegal immigrant. So when his younger brother volunteered to donate a kidney to restore him to normal life, they encountered a health care paradox: the government would pay for a lifetime of dialysis, costing $75,000 a year, but not for the $100,000 transplant that would make it unnecessary.

For nearly two years, the brothers and their supporters have been hunting for a way to make the transplant happen. Their journey has taken them through a maze of conflicting laws, private insurance conundrums and ethical quandaries, back to the national impasse between health care and immigration policies.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aliens; healthcare; immigration
The waiter turned to the Mexican consulate,who did not indicate, Mexico would be on standby to offer complete medical care to one of their citizens.And . If they failed, they would be cut off from their children in Brooklyn, who are United States citizens, right like make one attempt and if caught, we will never try again ? Where is U.S. Roman Catholic church at ? They have hospitals. Seems like when it would cost them money, they do not want to be involved, leave it the taxpayers.
1 posted on 12/21/2011 1:45:19 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

The government will pay an illegal $75,000 a year for dialysis?

Should be changed to “taxpayers are forced to pay $75,000 a year for dialysis for Mexican citizens, while American citizens _____ fill in the blank.

Are turned away... Die in the street... are not treated at all in Mexico...

You get what you vote for, and we deserve this in spades.


2 posted on 12/21/2011 1:51:06 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Romney/Huntsman 2012 Revelation 3:16.)
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To: moonshinner_09

We should have treaties with other nations that send us their citizens: we’ll provide compassionate medical care for your citizens, but you’ll get the bill.

If you want them to go home for treatment, fine, we’ll load them on a plane, but don’t expect us to let them back in; we’re locking the door behind them.


3 posted on 12/21/2011 1:51:15 PM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: moonshinner_09

leave it to the US taxpayers...


4 posted on 12/21/2011 1:52:24 PM PST by brivette
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To: moonshinner_09

You make a good point, assuming they are Roman Catholic (as I am). One collection in the NYC Diocese could probably make a big collection, but any of the larger religious organizations could handle this. More importantly, why doesn’t his government foot the bill?


5 posted on 12/21/2011 1:52:30 PM PST by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Dogbert41

“The government will pay an illegal $75,000 a year for dialysis?”

I love the way they say this, like the gubmint has been busting its ass to earn the money to pay this bill.


6 posted on 12/21/2011 1:54:43 PM PST by jessduntno (The Republican elite hates him, Rove hates him, Boehner hates him, liberals hate him. It's Newt!)
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To: moonshinner_09

I guess they have to pay dialysis if his health deteriorates enough and walks into an emergency room.


7 posted on 12/21/2011 1:58:36 PM PST by snowstorm12
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To: jessduntno

I’ve been reading as much of the comments at the Newyorkslimes as I can stomach. Liberals are retarded.


8 posted on 12/21/2011 1:59:20 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Romney/Huntsman 2012 Revelation 3:16.)
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To: moonshinner_09
"Where is U.S. Roman Catholic church at ?"

"But at one hospital, administrators apparently overruled surgeons willing to waive their fees."

First, we don't know if he's Catholic. (Less than 25% of the Mexican illegals are members of Catholic parishes.) Although Catholic hospitals do provide services regardless of religous affiliation.

Seond, we don't know if he's asked a Catholic hospital.

Third, we don't know (as above) whether Catholic surgeons have offered to waive payment, but all Cathoilic hspitals offer quite a bit of free lifesaving care to the indigent. Nor do we know what the dollar limit is (there must be some limit.)

There are hospitals in Mexico which would do it at less than half the cost of surgery here in the U.S. I will pray that he goes to Mexico and they can save his life.

9 posted on 12/21/2011 2:08:14 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Audi alteram partem.)
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To: moonshinner_09
"Where is U.S. Roman Catholic church at ?"

"But at one hospital, administrators apparently overruled surgeons willing to waive their fees."

First, we don't know if he's Catholic. (Less than 25% of the Mexican illegals are members of Catholic parishes.) Although Catholic hospitals do provide services regardless of religous affiliation.

Seond, we don't know if he's asked a Catholic hospital.

Third, we don't know (as above) whether Catholic surgeons have offered to waive payment, but all Cathoilic hspitals offer quite a bit of free lifesaving care to the indigent. Nor do we know what the dollar limit is (there must be some limit.)

There are hospitals in Mexico which would do it at less than half the cost of surgery here in the U.S. I will pray that he goes to Mexico and they can save his life.

10 posted on 12/21/2011 2:08:28 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Audi alteram partem.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
There are hospitals in Mexico which would do it at less than half the cost of surgery here in the U.S. I will pray that he goes to Mexico and they can save his life.

Why not get him the best health care, send him to Cuba.

11 posted on 12/21/2011 2:13:09 PM PST by USS Alaska (Merry Christmas-Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: moonshinner_09

WE will be getting an avalance of these sob stories leading up to the election in order to get the female vote for zero.


12 posted on 12/21/2011 2:14:59 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: moonshinner_09
“Here’s the paradox: he could donate, but he can’t receive,” Dr. Manheimer said, calling the imbalance troubling.

“Personally, I’m troubled by it,” said Dr. Sander Florman, who directs the Recanati/Miller Transplantation Institute at Mount Sinai. “We’re looking at human beings.”

Since we have two wealthy doctors for whom cost and status are of no concern, why don't they just pay for these things. Two hundred grand doesn't seem out of line for huan beings. They can split the cost.

13 posted on 12/21/2011 2:16:29 PM PST by stevem
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To: moonshinner_09

Why can’t Mexico pay for the care of its citizens?


14 posted on 12/21/2011 2:26:00 PM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Dogbert41

medicare or medicaide will pay about $75k for the dialysis but i don’t think it would be all that much cheaper for the transplant plus the anti-rejection drugs


15 posted on 12/21/2011 2:33:07 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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16 posted on 12/21/2011 2:38:22 PM PST by Liz
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To: Mrs. Don-o

First, we don’t know if he’s Catholic. (Less than 25% of the Mexican illegals are members of Catholic parishes.) Although Catholic hospitals do provide services regardless of religous affiliation.

Seond, we don’t know if he’s asked a Catholic hospital.

What does it matter if he is Catholic or not ? I am not Catholic,but I can show up at one of their hospitals and they must provide me treatment. Catholic hospitals do provide services regardless of religous affiliation, by law they have to treat anyone who shows up at the ER, they are not doing anything special. Every other hospital in town does the same thing.Where is welcome the stranger at here ? Isn’t this what the church states, welcome the stranger ? Where is Catholic church hospitals with come, we welcome strangers, we will provide all needed medical services.The Catholic hospitals do not want to be involved,due to the costly expense of this medical treatment. How are illegals getting Medicaid? Do they get fake SS numbers? I’ve been wondering how this works. Medicaid would be paying this $75,000 a year,


17 posted on 12/21/2011 2:53:08 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09
Where is Catholic church hospitals with come, we welcome strangers, we will provide all needed medical services...

How does this illegal not getting expensive treatment he is not entitled to turn into a bash-Catholics thread?

I tell you what... why don't YOU pay for his treatment (since you are so willing to donate other people's time and money)?

18 posted on 12/21/2011 3:08:23 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: moonshinner_09

I wonder how much it costs taxpayers a year for the drugs and testing he will have to have for the rest of his life?


19 posted on 12/21/2011 3:25:15 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: moonshinner_09

Catholic hospitals take care of basic care for anyone who walks in their doors, as do most other hospitals. And like any other hospital, they are not rolling in money. They are not run by the “Catholic Church”. Many are run by religious orders, some are run by the Diocese in which they’re located, and some are privately owned.


20 posted on 12/21/2011 3:29:29 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: USS Alaska
Why not get him the best health care, send him to Cuba.

Hell, send him to Texas. He can get his medical degree courtesy of Texan taxpayers while he's recuperating from "free" healthcare.

21 posted on 12/21/2011 3:34:16 PM PST by TADSLOS (Rick Perry- The Il Duce. He'll overhaul congress and make the trains run on time.)
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To: moonshinner_09
You brought up "Catholic" in post #1, though there's nothing about that in the article. I wondered why. And now you're saying Catholic hospitals "do not want to be involved," which is also not in the article, and for which you offer no evidence.

We still don't even know if they asked a Catholic hospital.

How about a Jewish or Baptist hospital?

Why did this become a denominational thing with you?

Again: I wish the guy well, I hope he can get a transplant in Mexico.

22 posted on 12/21/2011 3:38:32 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Still scratching head.)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Very odd to indicate I tell you what... why don’t YOU pay for his treatment (since you are so willing to donate other people’s time and money)?

And at the same time the -Catholic Church does not mind expecting the taxpayers to pay for services illegals receive here.The Catholic Church also claims The United States’ 33 Hispanic Roman Catholic Bishops released a strongly worded letter suggesting illegal immigrants deserve thanks from Americans and calling for “denunciation of the forces which oppress them.”

The bishops have come out in support of comprehensive immigration reform and a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants before—as they did again Monday—but the letter uses stronger language and goes further in offering support to undocumented immigrants.

The letter, written to illegal immigrants, was released by San Antonio Archbishop Gustavo Garcia-Siller and Los Angeles Archbishop Jose Gomez, the highest ranking Mexican-Americans in the U.S. Catholic Conference of Bishops.

“In imitation of Jesus and the great prophets, we ought to denounce the forces which oppress them,” the bishops said of illegal immigrants. ” … Let us pray and struggle to make it possible for these brothers and sisters of ours to have the same opportunities from which we have benefited .”

Let me Reword this to say, same thing“In imitation of Jesus and the great prophets, we ought to denounce the forces which oppress the brother not getting medical care and we standby with our hospitals doors open awaiting to provide free medical care ,” Let us pray and struggle to make it possible for this brother of ours to have the same opportunities from which we have benefited .”

$200,000 is just for the transplant, it does include operating room time, supplies, medications,other staff, and it does not include, once stable moving into regular hospital room, where thousands more will be needed.Who is paying for his younger brother who volunteered to donate a kidney , hospital expenses ?Thats a few hundred thousand The Catholic church does get my help, they accept federal money from taxpayers. The Catholic church, I ask is there some reason why they have not came forward ? They keep putting themselves in the spotlight than get upset when you start asking about, where are you at here ? Odd that Mexico has funds to file lawsuits.The Mexican government again waded into the cauldron of U.S. immigration politics, this time over a law in Utah.

On Tuesday, Mexico’s Foreign Relations Department announced it had presented a motion supporting the U.S. federal government in attempts to declare the Utah law unconstitutional.

“The Mexican motion counts with the support of 15 Latin American countries,” the department said in a news release.

Utah’ Illegal Immigration Enforcement Act, known as HB 497, came into effect in May after it was approved by the conservative state legislature.

It requires local police to investigate people’s immigration status after they are arrested for any crime, including misdemeanors.

The U.S. federal government argues that immigration is a federal not a state issue.

Mexico previously supported the U.S. government against a tough immigration law in Arizona.

The Arizona requires police to investigate the immigration status of any people they suspect are illegal immigrants – which critics say encourages racial profiling.

In Mexico, priests, pundits and politicians railed against the Arizona law, saying it was “fascistic,” “authoritarian” and “racist.”

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/que-pasa/mexico-bats-against-utah-law
So the church should be over there thanking him and helping him if what they say has any merit ?


23 posted on 12/21/2011 3:55:29 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

An illegal alien who worked at a restaurant for 10 years ...?

How about bill the restaurant for the operation for the criminal act of employing the illegal? Or send the bill to Bloomie, mayor of Sanctuary City?

Why does this CRIMINAL get anything while some of our military heroes in need of medical and mental heath care are forced to live on the streets?


24 posted on 12/21/2011 4:03:32 PM PST by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: jessduntno

It isn’t just 100K for the kidney. It is also a lifetime of anti-rejection drugs (also on dole) and an American who dies without the kidney.


25 posted on 12/21/2011 5:28:51 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Let’s put this way, there are enough supporters out there who will ask everybody they can to help him.. The fact that this appeared in the New York Times, happened because supporters made it happen. The extent of the medical treatment indicates, he would be asking anybody for help. I use “Catholic” because they keep saying welcome the stranger. They keep showing up in the news.They keep protesting about human rights and families,etc,etc, if their words have any merit, they can also use this same state of mind to help the people who they advocate for. Mexico is mainly “Catholic”How many Jewish or Baptist hospitals are there in Mexico ?

America is a wonderful country, we provide the best health care to all who enter. But, you have to understand that the cost of that care is not free, we (the citizens) pay for that care, which amounts to higher costs. Costs that are passed on to all people who enter the hospital, which in turn results in higher insurance premiums. Where does it end?? Where is the line drawn? How do we protect our selves from those who willingly enter illegally to take advantage of our generosity?


26 posted on 12/21/2011 5:31:33 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

Let me get this straight:

We should feel guilty because we do not give an expensive operation to one who should not be in this country;

BUT his native land - the country where he should legally reside - has no responsibility to help him whatsoever?


27 posted on 12/21/2011 6:36:45 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (No good deed...)
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