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Paul and Perry Are Poised to Punk Romney and Gingrich in Iowa
Yahoo News ^ | Dec. 21, 2011 | Sherry Tomfeld

Posted on 12/22/2011 7:19:22 AM PST by stillafreemind

Besides Paul's top position, Perry is now third or fourth in most of the polling. Pundits say Iowa is irrelevant if Paul wins, as he is a one-trick pony. Could a win in Iowa ignite the Paul ground teams in other states? Paul is a force to be reckoned with because of his staunch supporters. Maybe candidates should be reaching towards Paul instead of running away from him.

Perry, on the other hand, could be the dark horse in this race. If not nationally, at least he appears to be set to come from behind in Iowa. Why are people giving Perry a second look? His supporters do not mind that he is not the best debater.

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Surprisingly, this could happen in my part of Iowa. Perry seems to be catching on recently. No one's really paying attention to Perry. He might squeak past Newt, just depends on how Newt does the week after Christmas.
1 posted on 12/22/2011 7:19:26 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

Surprisingly, nobody will care to tell Sherry SHE is the one getting punked on Jan. 3rd.


2 posted on 12/22/2011 7:23:36 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: stillafreemind

Perry is working hard and the good folks of Iowa appreciate that kind of hard work. Romney has his super PAC coming out with ads trying to tarnish both Rick and Newt but I think people are on to them, they’ve been caught in so many lies they aren’t likely to make much headway.


3 posted on 12/22/2011 7:27:05 AM PST by McGavin999 ("If you'll have my back when I go to Washington, I'll have yours" Rick Perry 2012)
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To: stillafreemind
No one's really paying attention to Perry. He might squeak past Newt, just depends on how Newt does the week after Christmas.

I was a Cain supporter, and was really turned off by the rhetoric of some of the Perry supporters. I DO like his current batch of ads, and he is getting a second look, along with Santorum.
4 posted on 12/22/2011 7:27:41 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: stillafreemind

Perry is the logical beneficiary if Gingrich really does fall and voters still want to reject Romney. For all his campaign warts, he is the best positioned to be a president. He has the economic track-record and also in Iowa has the social conservative record. Santorum or Bachmann are good on the issues, but lack the governing experience and performance of Perry in Texas. I still greatly struggle with his campaigning ability, and fear another cycle and possibly another presidency with a less than formidable communicator, but he does seem to be getting better, and and Iowa top three could reinvigorate his campaign.


5 posted on 12/22/2011 7:28:43 AM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: stillafreemind

This one dropped the brown acid.


6 posted on 12/22/2011 7:28:55 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: stillafreemind

A lunatic and a dolt.


7 posted on 12/22/2011 7:29:45 AM PST by ZULU (Anybody but Romney, Ron Paul or Huntsman)
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To: stillafreemind

I predicted about a year ago that Romney would win the nomination and Obama would win reeelection. I was hoping to be wrong. I think I was right regardless of what happens in the early primary states.


8 posted on 12/22/2011 7:33:23 AM PST by RC one (I will not vote for the gun grabbing, draft dodging, pro-choice, so called Republican Mitt Romney.)
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To: ZULU

Did you just now look in the mirror?

Or something.....


9 posted on 12/22/2011 7:36:11 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: stillafreemind

SANTORUM 2012


10 posted on 12/22/2011 7:36:51 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("FREE TRADERS": Self-loathing Americans)
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To: RC one

Romney just came out in support of Gays in the military.


11 posted on 12/22/2011 7:36:56 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: stillafreemind

Of these 4 bozos, I would go for Perry. He seems to backtracked a bit in his handling of illegal immigration and at least he is not pushing newtonian amnesty. Newt is the most unacceptable because of his amnesty fanatics.

I hope Bachmann or Santorum would be the surprise finisher though.


12 posted on 12/22/2011 7:36:56 AM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (radical rightwinger))
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To: Dr. Sivana

I was a Cain supporter, and was really turned off by the rhetoric of some of the Perry supporters. I DO like his current batch of ads, and he is getting a second look, along with Santorum.

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I was also supporting Cain. I know what you mean about some Perry supporters..kinda like some Paul supporters. I actually sat and listened to a Perry telephone “chat”. There are a lot of things that he says that I do like.

I have to be honest..still don’t know who I’m gonna vote for.


13 posted on 12/22/2011 7:38:06 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: TexasFreeper2009

And you think that will stop him from getting the nomination?


14 posted on 12/22/2011 7:41:40 AM PST by RC one (I will not vote for the gun grabbing, draft dodging, pro-choice, so called Republican Mitt Romney.)
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To: RC one

It will help but the 40+ states that he is going to lose to Gingrich will finish him off.


15 posted on 12/22/2011 7:43:32 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: stillafreemind

Put me in the Gingrich camp.


16 posted on 12/22/2011 7:44:17 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: stillafreemind
Perry seems to be catching on recently. No one's really paying attention to Perry.

Which is it?

17 posted on 12/22/2011 7:45:50 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: txrangerette

You Texas People are all alike. Give them a Texan and they will back them to the hilt.

The Mexican War is over. The Alamo fell. We won. Its o.k. now to criticize a fellow Texan.


18 posted on 12/22/2011 7:46:58 AM PST by ZULU (Anybody but Romney, Ron Paul or Huntsman)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

gingrich doesn’t have the resources for a protracted primary battle. furthermore, the dems are going to spoil our primaries. they know exactly which candidate to vote for. If romney loses, they win and if he wins, they win. Furthermore, the longer the battle goes on- and it will go on and on and on- the more divided we will become. finally, ther’s a strong possibility of a third party candidate cpming in and spoiling the general election.


19 posted on 12/22/2011 7:52:11 AM PST by RC one (I will not vote for the gun grabbing, draft dodging, pro-choice, so called Republican Mitt Romney.)
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To: stillafreemind

Leftists pumping Paul for all they are worth.

Perry will be making a comeback off his bottom.


20 posted on 12/22/2011 7:56:26 AM PST by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Dr. Sivana
I have been leaning Perry from the beginning BUT now, unless something happens, I am becoming convinced that Perry is our best bet.

Read this article. With this kind of success in TX, to deny this opportunity to the rest of the country is immoral.

Perry is the only governor running with executive experience and he's been EXTREMELY successful. TX has reelected him repeatedly. He's never lost an election.

In addition to the economic success in TX, Perry has also walked the walk on the pro-life issue. He's already done it, we don't have to wonder what he would really do if in office. http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590

21 posted on 12/22/2011 7:58:00 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: RC one

a $20 million dollar super pac just started operation for Gingrich.

watch and wait :)


22 posted on 12/22/2011 7:58:54 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: McGavin999

But Mitt has No Control over his super pac.

He cannot control them.

But I guess he thinks he can run the country.


23 posted on 12/22/2011 8:01:28 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: stillafreemind

I’ve been saying so for 3 months...Perry will come in 1st or 2nd in Iowa. Paul doesn’t count. His support does noit come from Republicans.


24 posted on 12/22/2011 8:02:10 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: heiss

I am tending to agree on Perry (although here in Texas, we do not get to vote until April, at the earliest!).

I love Ron Paul’s proposed domestic budget—it should be the starting point for any true conservative; but he is way too loony on about 20 percent of the issues, even when I think he means well. Newt is a great debater, and very good at getting bills passed, but he has a history of working power angles in lieu of conservative principles, Santorum (who is probably the one with positions most identical to mine) and Bachmann are, frankly, long shots and may be out of the race by March.

That leaves Perry, a B+ candidate. One thing about Perry, he has an A+ as far as second amendment rights go. And to be clear—I am no Perry-bot. I have a long history of being very annoyed at many Perry decisions, including for example Perry’s decision to attack one of our most conservative Texas Supreme Court justices and back a moderate candidate during a primary.


25 posted on 12/22/2011 8:03:05 AM PST by Stat-boy
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To: Dr. Sivana

Please do not hold it against Perry or the majority of his supporters for what a few people said about Cain.

I don’t know who they were or what they said, but Perry himself never critized Cain.

I hope you’ll give Perry a second look.


26 posted on 12/22/2011 8:03:44 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Obama has never lost one either.

So outside of pretending like this is the 19th century when candidates didn’t actually have to do campaigning and relied on happy words from supporters to sell their bids to voters, how is this guy going to deal with Obama and his media allies?

A: He’s not. He is running a strategy of keeping off camera and saying as little as possible. Great if he is running for president of Iowa, worthless anywhere else.


27 posted on 12/22/2011 8:08:42 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Stat-boy

Most important issue is amnesty. It is permanent. Everything else can be repealed or fixed later.

Who cares if we pass few pro-life or 2ndAm bills now but allow amnesty. In few years, dems have absolute permanent majority and they can pass anything. That’s why Newt is the most dangerous candidate.


28 posted on 12/22/2011 8:08:53 AM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (radical rightwinger))
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To: heiss

“Most important issue is amnesty.”

Can’t argue with that. The problem is...none of the leading R candidates, as far as I can tell, have the courage to do anything about it.


29 posted on 12/22/2011 8:13:27 AM PST by Stat-boy
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To: VanDeKoik

Your posts would be more effective if they made sense.


30 posted on 12/22/2011 8:21:01 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: pgkdan
His support does noit come from Republicans.

A lot of it actually does. I know a number of them in rural Illinois, which is politically similar to Iowa. Iowa has never been an interventionist (in terms of military)kind of state. Paul has also had some success portraying himself as a pro-lifer (while handcuffing himself on doing much about it, though he'd be willing to defund PP and pick strict interpretation justices).

These Republicans who support Paul don't altogether realize that Paul is making a play for the Code Pink/Pothead left, but they are Republicans and conservatives.
31 posted on 12/22/2011 8:21:22 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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People who would vote for or against someone, based on what a candidate's supporters do or say, have a seriously flawed reasoning process.
32 posted on 12/22/2011 8:24:54 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Stat-boy

Perry is the most knowledgeable about border issues and the problem of illegals. He’s had to deal with the influx of illegals into Texas.

For some reason, we can’t seem to get those people to move on up to some of your more delightful states.

He also understands the border and therefore doesn’t toss off phrases like ‘build a fence.’

The length and terrain of the Texas border with Mexico make that both impossible and unworkable.

He’s studied the issue, even gone to Israel to confer with their border people. Perry has a plan to secure the border and has promised he will get ‘er done in one year.

For some reason, people seem to cling to the notion that Perry is pro-open border and pro-amnesty, when he is neither.

If the border is your main issue, vote for Perry.


33 posted on 12/22/2011 8:26:01 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: VanDeKoik

You obviously do not live in Iowa, as Perry is working his tail off in Iowa.


34 posted on 12/22/2011 8:26:49 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Tex-Con-Man
People who would vote for or against someone, based on what a candidate's supporters do or say, have a seriously flawed reasoning process.

That depends on whether there is a reason to believe that said supporters are getting encouragement to do so from the top.
35 posted on 12/22/2011 8:28:15 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: altura

That’s fine.

Go back to just sticking your head in the sand and pretending then. Other than pie in the sky platitudes, none of his supporters have the slightest clue if he can deal with what the left will throw at him.

If this guy manages to get the nomination, I will be looking forward to all of the whining from the Perry people about all of the “unfair” attacks from the MSM, and looking at all of the posts from his supporters wondering why he isnt responding to the barbs from Obama effectively enough.


36 posted on 12/22/2011 8:29:47 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
The administration and agenda of either a President Gingrich or Perry would not be different in ANY substantive way.

Vote for the one who is most likely to defeat 0bama. That is Newt hands down.

37 posted on 12/22/2011 8:37:36 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: VanDeKoik

We have a pretty good idea of how the main candidates will deal with Obama.

Romney will go soft like McCain and drift to the left.

Gingrich will talk his head off and inevitably throw in some gaffes which the media will focus on.

Rick Perry has a record to run on and will be able to successfully challenge Obama on issues. He also appears far more real and likeable.

The media will attack any Republican who’s nominated.

You should know that.

Perry has withstood attacks before, during all his successful campaigns in Texas.

He has also withstood constant attacks from the media in Texas which is just as nasty and left-wing as media anywhere, don’t kid yourself about that.

There is something a little lacking in substance in your posts. why do you use phrases like ‘sticking your head in the sand?’

Why don’t you say something?


38 posted on 12/22/2011 8:42:03 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: altura

“If the border is your main issue, vote for Perry”

Seriously? You have got to be kidding. In 2004 and 2006 we were writing resolutions at the party conventions, which were debated and adopted (after watering down so that the party elite would accept them) by the state convention, in response to several issues, including Perry’s pandering to illegal aliens. Perry of 2009-2011 is a very different person than Perry of 2001-2005. I have trouble forgetting completely Perry of 2001-2005.

I have Perry at a B+. I would prefer Perry over Romney, without question; but it is very fair to question how deep Perry’s commitment is to certain conservative issues.

In Perry’s defense: he supported Cruz in the very important Medellin vs. Texas battle.


39 posted on 12/22/2011 8:43:36 AM PST by Stat-boy
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To: Dr. Sivana
That depends on whether there is a reason to believe that said supporters are getting encouragement to do so from the top.

I could give a crap what a candidate's "supporters" do or say. The only serious consideration should be their record. The words that actually come out of their mouths vs. their actual accomplishments. Everything else is political fodder for political foes.

40 posted on 12/22/2011 8:44:02 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: VanDeKoik
So outside of pretending like this is the 19th century when candidates didn’t actually have to do campaigning and relied on happy words from supporters to sell their bids to voters, how is this guy going to deal with Obama and his media allies?

A: He’s not. He is running a strategy of keeping off camera and saying as little as possible. Great if he is running for president of Iowa, worthless anywhere else.

Perry talks off a strict script to keep his handlers talking points straight and he still screws it up. Perry doesn't have an original conservative thought in his head, just a jumble of jingoism derived by his campaign team. If Perry were the real deal, he wouldn't need his posse of cronies and Bobby Jindal hovering around him on the bus tour to keep him on message.

41 posted on 12/22/2011 8:45:56 AM PST by TADSLOS (Rick Perry- The Double Dipping il Duce. He'll overhaul congress and make the trains run on time.)
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To: stillafreemind

You’re relying on a poll that shows Ron Paul winning Iowa. If you believe that’s possible, I’ve got some bridges to sell you....


42 posted on 12/22/2011 8:47:40 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Servant of the Cross
Thanks for your opinion and I respect it but I disagree. The problem with Newt is that we really have no idea how he would govern. He's been all over the map.

I want an executive with a proven record.

I have no idea who is our toughest candidate to defeat Obama and no one else does, either.

So far, even Perry has the best winning record in elections.

43 posted on 12/22/2011 8:47:44 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: heiss; All

So many criticize Perry for not doing Obama’s job.
If they want Perry to do Obama’s job for him then they need to vote him into Obama’s position.

Perry as the Governor of Texas cannot completely secure an international border between United States and Mexico as Texas Gov and with only Texas resources.

Perry as the Governor of Texas cannot deport any illegals.

Perry as the Governor of Texas is forced by Federal Law to educate and medically treat illegals.

Perry has done more on the border than Obama has and it is not his job to do so. He has done it with as much Texas Taxpayers money as possible and with as much Texas resources as possible.

If people want Perry to do Obama’s job of securing the border, getting drug cartels (and the guns away from them that Obama gave them) and fix the illegal problem we have......
then they should vote for Perry to give him the job, responsibilities and the resources to do so.

I’m not picking on you and I know you are favorable to Perry. It is just that Perry is getting a bad rap for the illegal and border issues that are not entirely his fault.

Have you seen this?

THIS IS GREAT....LOOK WHAT TEXAS IS DOING ON THE BORDER...

TEXAS NOW HAS ITS OWN NAVY! The Department of Public Safety, Thursday, announced the launched of a Tactical Marine Unit.

{This is TEXAS not U.S. doing this}

Read more: http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/video/Tactical-Marine-Unit-Launched-to-Patrol-Border-20111208-ktbcw#ixzz1hHXjkqyZ


44 posted on 12/22/2011 8:48:46 AM PST by TexMom7
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To: ZULU; txrangerette
....While Gingrich and Romney fight between themselves, Perry is slowly but surely sneaking up on them. ....

NEWT MITT


45 posted on 12/22/2011 8:49:02 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Tex-Con-Man

I didn’t say I would vote for or against a candidate because of his supporters. I was just chiming in that some Perry supporters were pretty obnoxious talking about Cain supporters.


46 posted on 12/22/2011 8:53:50 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: heiss
I would go for Perry. He seems to backtracked a bit in his handling of illegal immigration

He hasn't changed his stripes. Last month Perry was pushing a a visa program to let illegal immigrants come and go freely.

If Perry can support a plan that would identify and give visas to criminals, I mean illegal immigrants, so they can come and go freely across our borders, then he can support a plan that would identify and deport those very same criminals, I mean illegal immigrants, I mean guest workers.
47 posted on 12/22/2011 8:54:32 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Dr. Sivana

>>These Republicans who support Paul don’t altogether realize that Paul is making a play for the Code Pink/Pothead left, but they are Republicans and conservatives.<<

Consider the possibility that Paul is pulling a bunch of young people into the Republican ranks with his liberal views on marijuana. Those young voters don’t like big government because of what it does to their friends who are occasional drug users (and, face it, at some point most young people experiment with marijuana, even if it’s only once or twice.)

They see friends tossed into jail, getting criminal records, etc., for what they consider relatively innocent behavior that they, themselves, have done in the past. Along comes Paul, a Libertarian running on a Republican ticket - but they don’t know that, and draws them in with his marijuana legalization message and his persistent diatribes against big government.

A lot of young people probably figured that Obama would have tackled the drug issue before now, and now it looks like he’ll avoid it entirely. As Paul’s popularity grows among the young, it’s possible that another Republican candidate will find a way to address their concerns as well, but it will take some delicate footwork to do so without losing the rest of the Republican base.

I think the way to go about it would be to address the harm that the criminalization of marijuana has done, taking specific examples of young people imprisoned for minor usage, or describing how their resulting arrest records have adversely impacted their lives.

What I’m saying is that Paul might be creating an opportunity for the Republican Party to appear reasonable to a large cohort of young people, while simultaneously boosting that same group’s awareness of the importance of returning to a limited government.

And, yes, I’m one of those, conservative, limited-government Republicans who think that we should consider decriminalization of marijuana. The current law wreaks havoc on our society in too many ways. We would definitely create some new problems with legalization, but they wouldn’t be as serious as the ones created by the current law, in my opinion.


48 posted on 12/22/2011 8:55:31 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Thank you. Yes, the question is "who is our toughest candidate to defeat 0bama?" and each individual opinion can differ on that very subjective test.

It is a media age and the debate and communication skills of the winning candidate are of utmost importance. Shouldn't be, but it is what it is. The voting electorate is largely ignorant and given to basing their decision on the dumbest of reasons, including if a gaffe is made at a televised debate.

My biggest concern is that it appears to me that the only beneficiaries of Newt's dropping numbers are Mitt and LRon(?!), not Rick Perry so much. That's a huge problem. If not Newt, it's gonna be Mitt and I cannot imagine a worse scenario.

49 posted on 12/22/2011 9:03:42 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

>>The administration and agenda of either a President Gingrich or Perry would not be different in ANY substantive way.

Vote for the one who is most likely to defeat 0bama. That is Newt hands down.<<

You make two assertions. The first is almost certainly wrong. Perry will govern much more conservatively than Gingrich and he will be much more inclined to transfer power out of DC and back to the States. Gingrich is a creature of the DC establishment.

And the second assertion, that Gingrich will have an easier time beating Obama than Perry, is probably wrong too. It’s at least arguable that Perry’s consistent views over the years will look better to voters than Gingrich’s on-again, off-again, conservatism. Gingrich and Perry will both be lambasted by the MSM; of that there is no doubt.

But if the theme of the next election is to be one of limited government, Perry is at least as good a candidate as Gingrich in that regard. On the other hand, it the theme is getting along with the other guy, well, Gingrich has played both sides long enough, he should be pretty good at that.

And don’t think for a moment that his supposedly effective “calling out” of the MSM will be tolerated by the MSM in a general election environment. Every single time he picks on one of their own, he will be buried in opposition research, and the opposition won’t be the Dems, it will be that same MSM.


50 posted on 12/22/2011 9:07:23 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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