Skip to comments.How do you like those ballot restrictions now? [TEA Partyers unite against this RINO fascism!!]
Posted on 12/24/2011 10:37:52 AM PST by Jim Robinson
"A Gingrich campaign official prior to the move by the Republican Party of Virginia said the problem is how the rules are set up, arguing that the party is, for apparently the first time, cross-checking the addresses that signature-givers gave against the electronic voter database file for accuracies. A name without a proper address match was tossed, the official said."
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Let’s see Bob McDonnell is being mentioned a s potential Romney running mate...hmmm? Well, if the other candidates can’t get on the ballot, then make sure Romney gets as few delegates as possible. Vote for Ron Paul. ( I never, never, NEVER, ever thought I would write those last 4 words!)
Merry Christmas to you my FRiend!
He’s getting close to his golden anniversary. Personally, I trust Gloria to keep him in line.
BTW, how’s that third marriage working out for Newt, “good thing I signed the adultery pledge now” Gingrich.
Thanks, onyx! And a blessed and Merry Christmas to you and yours!
What if the database was wrong?
Is there an appeals procedure?
You’ve made your point more than a couple of times, BenKenobi.
It’s time to move on and stop spoiling for arguments on Christmas Eve.
Well, all right!!!
P told me on another thread that he is indeed filing a legal challenge to this stupidity.”
Is that “P” as in Perry?
OH MY GOSH! Please NO!
VA is a red state. If it's a database screw-up, then I would think VA would want to remedy to allow both Gingrich and Perry on the ballots, right?
You would trust any politician because why?
Being for Voter disenfranchisement is never a good side to be on.
My fear here is that our arguing that we are being disenfranchised, could undermine our efforts on voter ID, so I think we have to be swift but cautious in how we challenge.
What you fail to see is, Newt didn’t have the money at the critical time he needed to pay people to do the ground work for him. There is so much about this that you are totally ignorant about. (On purpose) It’s not at all, that Newt was just simply incompetent or lacked organization. He simply lacked the funding to pay for such a ridiculous rule.
I suggest you just shut your mouth for about 5 minutes and listen for a change. There are people there who are challenging this for some very obvious legal reasons. Which means, their “Rules” are bogus and are about to be torn apart in the courts.
Have a wonderful Christmas, Onyx. :)
..in a "open marriage."
Personally, I trust Gloria to keep him in line
Don't take it personally, but I don't think she has done a very good job thus far.
I don’t know about an appeals procedure, but a challenge is surely coming.
Blessed and Merry CHRISTmas, dear Salvation!!!
Smiling - thank you very much, my dear friend!!!
If you’ve ever entered a shipping address online, you’ve probably encountered a U.S. Postal Service algorithm that determines whether the shipping address is “good” or not. The address you know you’re using is a good one, but unless Amazon.com or UPS.com or the outfit you’re using to ship to a bunch of addresses can’t fit it into its own version of the “overhead bin bag size check box” you’ll see before boarding a commercial airliner, that address gets rejected as “invalid” (or you might be given an alternate address as a suggestion, or be prompted to edit what you have). The same thing might have happened here. Just guessing.
Sorry for being cynical, it’s my nature.
I mean no harm by it.
We LOVE you so much here, good lady! (My wonderful wife also extends those thoughts as well!)
For the first time sounds fishy, agree there.
Here in Illinois they've been cross-checking signatures against addresses for years now. Although, that sure doesn't stop the Democrats here from registering the dead to vote. As long as the address of the cemetery is correct I suppose it's legit. (/sarc)
....for apparently the first time....
Well that pretty much says it all doesn't it?
Rebellion is brewing.
No, it’s inexcusable if you are a state in these United States of America and you boot the leading candidate for the presidency of one of the major parties off your ballot. This is no one percenter unheard of off the wall fringe party candidate. Neither is governor Perry or congresswoman Bachmann. It’s a disgrace to our constitutional republic!!
Thank you very much.
Merry CHRISTmas, BenKenobi!!!!
I’m not surprised if true, a lot of people don’t like giving addresses, but they are required so they can check that the signature matches someone who lives in the appropriate district.
The problem with any complaint about the rules being “too hard” is that Romney and Ron Paul both managed to qualify under those rules. If NOBODY qualified, you could make the argument. If Romney had gotten in with the 15,000-signature exception, but nobody else had, again you might have an argument.
But Ron Paul managed to get 10,000 valid signatures with addresses, and survived the verification.
Perry and Gingrich needed better staff workers, and they needed to reach out to the locals. I signed up for both campaigns and sent them e-mails reminding them of this requirement and asking how I could sign petitions. Neither got back to me until Wednesday when Gingrich had a blast e-mail about a 1-day blitz which was thursday before Christmas — good luck with that.
If they had been organized, all they needed was 44 volunteers, four in each district, to sit at to popular republican polling places in each district to collect signatures.
For example, at MY precinct, we had 932 republican voters. One volunteer, getting less than half the voters, could have gotten 400 signatures on any petition (Herman Cain had petitions at the polls, but no other candidate). 4 polling places could give you 1600 votes per district, and nearly 17000 total — more than enough.
We already had a republican representative at the polling place, who would have happily collected signatures for any candidate, but only Cain asked. So this was not a big deal, except the candidate committees in the state didn’t apparently put the work in.
Aw, thanks very much. Please extend my Christmas wishes of love and joy to your beautiful wife, too.
Onyx, we just had a general election in VA last month. Because of redistricting, new voter cards were mailed out in October to every registered voter. The database is probably as good as one will ever get. (i.e., I moved since the last presidential election and got my voter card at the new address).
As much as I’d like to see error here, I fear it’s not likely. And I doubt this is the first time names/addresses were cross-checked (never trust an ‘unnamed source’). I’ll wait to hear from someone who was there both in ‘08 and yesterday.
In ‘08, McCain/Romney/Paul/Thompson/Huckabee/Giuliani all managed to get on the VA GOP primary ballot under the same qualifying rules. Something is terribly askew with the Perry and Gingrich campaigns, at least in VA. Better to find out now that they need to up their ground game than when/if becoming THE nominee. I prefer to look at this as a very serious wake up call. Dems got us in ‘08, we do NOT need a repeat.
I don’t trust any politician, and the party whores who play games even less. Gingrich and Perry are nationally recognized choices. Larouche was probably one of the most successful of the total wackjobs that ran for POTUS. I don’t begrudge a party from creating barriers to getting on the ballot but only to keep out the flakes, wackos, and other mental detectives. Keeping Gingrich and Perry off is a disservice to a free society. ; it smacks of Sovietism.
Why are you going out of your way to help Romney?
Newt is the only chance we have left. Or do you want RUN Paul?
“What you fail to see is, Newt didnt have the money at the critical time he needed to pay people to do the ground work for him.”
And who’s fault is that? He’s been running for almost a year now. Why didn’t he put the money that he’s been collecting in all that time towards his bills that were surely coming up?
Did he not expect that he would get this far along? Did he not collect enough money to see himself through?
Could he not get enough supporters (re - Volunteers), people willing to do the work for him because they like him and believe him to be the best thing for America?
What’s the excuse now?
“There is so much about this that you are totally ignorant about.”
I have done this work. I have worked as a canvasser previously, subject to verification, in opposition to the state which ran millions of dollars of ads against us. We won, because we collected way more than we needed to run, and because we were able to successfully recruit enough people to go out there and collect. All on a shoestring budget.
I am telling you, in my opinion, getting 20+ percent over what you needed, is not good enough. It opens the possibility, as we saw here, to get enough invalidated to not qualify for the ballot. The gold standard, that Newt did not reach, was 50 percent over. Had he collected 15k signatures, I guarantee you he would be on the ballot. He did not.
“Its not at all, that Newt was just simply incompetent or lacked organization. He simply lacked the funding to pay for such a ridiculous rule.”
Not having the organization or the funding to run a successful ground campaign on this level in VA, is evidence that his organization at this point is just not there. This is shocking.
All of us thought that this was a strength of Newt, his past political experience, his staffers, his connections, etc, and then in crunch time, we see that he failed.
“There are people there who are challenging this for some very obvious legal reasons.”
Yeah, like the fact that they didn’t work hard enough before today so they are hoping to rewrite the rules.
20 percent getting tossed out? And from what I see of the petitions submitted, I see shoddy, shoddy work. This was badly done for Newt. But what do I know? I canvass for professionals, who wouldn’t even accept canvasser sheets that were so poorly done.
He is welcome to challenge it but I don’t think challenging the verification process is going to help him succeed. This is a wakeup call.
Says upthread that RP did not qualify either. he was simply grandfathered in as was Romney due to being on the ballot in '08.
I have not seen confirmation of that info independently, but if so, then the procedure is flawed, not the candidate's endeavors.
We are all behind you 100% “P” Let us know how we can help!
Screw the “Rules are Rules” flock of brain dead sheep!
Off to the family. Merry Christmas! Enjoyed the chat, but at end point, we know-— His will be done. -:)
“Why are you going out of your way to help Romney?”
I’m a Cain supporter. I believe, then and now, that he was the one who could beat Romney and Obama.
Given the shoddy work here, I no longer believe that Newt can get the job done.
So, we need to get someone who can win and can beat Romney and can beat Obama, since Newt can’t do it, then who?
We still have time now, to get it right. But we don’t have much of it. The decisions that are made today are going to have a huge impact down the line, and will determine what happens in November.
Last I checked VA was an Obama state. Do you really believe that if Newt can’t get on the ballot here that he can beat Obama in a state that he needs to win?
For whatever reason Romney and Ron Paul did not undergo the certification process in 2012. Presumably it is because they were grandfathered in from 2008 somehow. (Ditto Obama)
The actual details are still unclear. It seems to be related to getting 15,000 sigs. We don’t know if the 15,000 sigs refers to 2008 or 2012. It is also unclear if the 15,000 number is enshrined somewhere in VA state law or is just a rule in the VA GOP.
>> Last I checked VA was an Obama state. Do you really believe that if Newt cant get on the ballot here that he can beat Obama in a state that he needs to win? >>
Totally flawed analogy. Newt is leading the polls in Va. by a pretty good margin last I checked. Signature gathering is an out of date and totally irrelevant measurement of support. No one needs to have a Paul Tard or a Mitt Bot knock on their door to vote. They just need to vote.
I hope you will hear from someone who was there in '08 and present yesterday.
It's a mess and the timing is awful: Christmas.
Good that Christmas Eve and Christmas Day are today and Sunday, so that come Monday, we will know more.
Enjoy! Thanks very much, dear Vin!
A most Blessed and Merry CHRISTmas to you and your family!!!
I’ve read two or three of Benkonobi’s posts so far and not seen any logical analysis that holds water yet....
You just don’t listen to good advice, do you. You are about to find out that you are not as clever as you think you are.
A lot of us on this board stood behind Cain, but he gave up.
MERRY CHRISTMAS! Mr. Jim! (And to your family) Let’s plan another decade at FRee Republic! (More now than ever!)
“No, its inexcusable if you are a state in these United States of America and you boot the leading candidate for the presidency of one of the major parties off your ballot.”
Sir, with all due respect.
I’ve been a fringe ‘one percenter’. I’ve worked for ‘fringe one percenters’. I’ve helped them get on the ballot, stay on the ballot and run their campaigns.
Some have won. Some have lost. Some were just happy to be there. But every single one of them, had to meet their ballot requirements and restrictions to get on the ballot. And yes, many were more stringent then the requirements here in VA.
My job was to get those names, however I could. Was it easy? Sometimes, it wasn’t difficult at all. Sometimes it was a real challenge.
“This is no one percenter unheard of off the wall fringe party candidate. Neither is governor Perry or congresswoman Bachmann. Its a disgrace to our constitutional republic!!”
I’m shocked that none of the candidates could get together a list of 15k people in the state of Virginia. If it’s true that Romney and Paul were validated due to being on the ballot last time, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
However, if they did get the signatures, and they did pass verification, then yes, the ballot should be just Romney and Paul in the state of Virginia.
I was here when Joe Miller, won the republican nomination, and they put Lisa Mrurkowski on the ballot anyways. We now have Senator Mrurkowski.
I’m not going to back any candidate who pushes similar shenanigans here. We can’t suppor the rules when the favor us and stop supporting the rules when the don’t.
I don’t believe that 15k candidates is an unreasonable number for the state of VA. I’ve seen higher requirements for lower positions than the republican nomination for the president of the united states.
Oh. OK. Thanks. Great News.
whenever I moved re registering was one of the first things I did, within the first month to be sure.
I sure wouldn’t have signed a petition with an address that I wasn’t regitered at!
I gotta run now, but keep up the good fight. What these not so smart “rules are the rules” idgits are not thinking about is what is their “way” gets held up? Think about it.
Say Newt is leading national polls, and even Virginia polls, and Perry is say third or fourth in the polls, and Virginia holds its primary. But it’s only Mitt versus Paul. Think about that. It will be considered the biggest exercise in futility in primary history. Virginia, McDonnell, Mitt and Paul will be national embarrassments. There will be no winner and Virginia’s GOP will be judged the big loser.
But hey, the “rules are the rules” crowd will get to see what is the ultimate idiocy of their meme.