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The Full Mandate: Gingrich Not Just for a “Bond” (Gingrich & Romney Were Always on the same Team)
Center for Individual Freedom ^ | December 27th, 2011 | Quin Hillyer

Posted on 12/27/2011 11:20:59 AM PST by nickcarraway

If anybody actually cares about integrity and freedom, this latest news should be big trouble for Newt Gingrich. Somebody (I need to find out who) dug up this old memo from Gingrich praising Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts health care plan in fulsome terms, and especially praising its individual mandate to buy health insurance:

The individual mandate requires those who earn enough to afford insurance to purchase coverage, and subsidies will be made available to those individuals who cannot afford insurance on their own. We agree strongly with this principle, but the details are crucial when it comes to the structure of this plan. … In our estimation, Massachusetts residents earning little more than $30,000 a year are in jeopardy of being priced out of the system. In the event that this occurs, Governor Romney will be in grave danger of repeating the mistakes of his predecessor, Mike Dukakis, whose 1988 health plan was hailed as a save-all but eventually collapsed when poorly-devised payment structures created a malaise of unfulfilled promises. We propose that a more realistic approach might be to limit the mandate to those individuals earning upwards of $54,000 per year.

On one hand, this isn’t the most astonishing news: Gingrich has been quoted for 17 years in favor of some sort of individual mandate, and this 2006 citation isn’t even the most recent one. On the other hand, Gingrich has insisted that his proposal was something a little different — some sort of “bond” that rich people would put up — and, also, that he really started moving away from even that “bond” mandate after a while because, really, the reason he was for a mandate was in order to have a conservative alternative to Hillarycare in 1994. At other times he has tried hard to play down or soften the edges of his support for a mandate. But this is unequivocal, and it is within the past six years, and it shows not a single hesitation about undermining individual liberty. Indeed, Gingrich’s only complaint is a class-warfare-inducing lament: Romney stuck the mandate on lower-middle-income earners, whereas Gingrich only would apply it to middle-middle-income earners. Gee, what a relief! (Not!)

Even worse, Gingrich is to the left of Romney on Romney’s own health plan. Romney at worst has only tentatively recommended Romneycare as a whole as a model for the nation; and this year, he has become like a broken record saying he would never impose a mandate via the federal government, and that Romneycare was an example of state-level federalism in action, unique to the circumstances of Massachusetts. Gingrich, on the other hand, wrote this: “The most exciting development of the past few weeks is what has been happening up in Massachusetts. The health bill that Governor Romney signed into law this month has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system.” Those lines led directly into his discussion of the mandate, which Gingrich described as an example of requiring “personal responsibility.”

All of which leads back to what I said in my May 17 column here on this site, namely that Gingrich and Romney both flunk conservative political philosophy. I repeat now what I wrote then: “[T]he issue here isn’t utility, but liberty. Mussolini ‘made the trains run on time,’ but that should never have justified his authoritarianism. Essential liberty must never be sacrificed on some central planner’s altar of efficiency.”

Or, for that matter, on some former Speaker’s warped notion of what does and doesn’t qualify as “personal responsibility.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: giingrichromney; gingrich; mandate; romney; romneycare; socialists
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It's disgusting that we will probably have a worse nominee than McCain in 2012.
1 posted on 12/27/2011 11:21:05 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

It even more disgusting that they get us to go against Newt by saying he is “just like Romney” when they love Romney


2 posted on 12/27/2011 11:22:38 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: nickcarraway
BS. Gingrich will be the nominee. Go Newt.
3 posted on 12/27/2011 11:27:59 AM PST by Logical me
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To: nickcarraway
Gingrich's lifetime ACU rating in congress is 90%, McCain's in the senate is 82%.

It might not be a perfect measure, but its probably the best available.

4 posted on 12/27/2011 11:31:13 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Mr. K

Romney and Gingrich is each far, far better than Obama.

As I see it, Romney is the GOP’s “establishment” guy. Gingrich is willing to challenge that “establishment.

Therefore, I’d say that if you think radical changes are needed in Washington (as I do), you should vote for Gingrich in the primaries.

If you think that a little “tinkering” is all that Washington needs, then I’d say vote for Romney in the primaries.

Do not forget that Romney and Gingrich is each far, far better than Obama.


5 posted on 12/27/2011 11:31:18 AM PST by pfony1
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To: nickcarraway

I’m not a fan of Newt, however I hate Romney more. Conservatives need to stand up to the GOP and say “NO MORE” to all of these half-assed candidates.


6 posted on 12/27/2011 11:32:21 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: pfony1

Newt is better than Obama, Romney is just the same but paler.


7 posted on 12/27/2011 11:35:29 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: pfony1

“Do not forget that Romney and Gingrich is each far, far better than Obama.”
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That is damning with faint praise! Any of the squirrels in my yard is better than Obama.


8 posted on 12/27/2011 11:35:29 AM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: pfony1
Do not forget that Romney and Gingrich is each far, far better than Obama.

But you have to consider, if Romney or Gingrich take over the GOP there will be 2 socialists parties and 0 conservative parties. It wouldn't matter if if 90% of U.S. citizens are against Obama/Romney/Gongrichcare, once they take control, there isw no fighting it. Gingrich is pretty much Carter II.

9 posted on 12/27/2011 11:38:54 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I disagree.

Newt is saying here that we should require some people to have health insurance rather than having them get their bills paid by ME and YOU.

He said in 2006 that folks making 54 grand a year or more should foot their own damn bill IF they’re going to be using a medical facility. 54 grand in 2006 is probably the equivalent of 60-65 grand in 2012 dollars.

So, do you think some clown making 60 grand should walk into the hospital and get to walk out paying nothing?

I don’t.

I’m beginning to think that the best answer is to get rid of all health insurance and force everyone to pay out of pocket.

Everyone on their own....pay your own way.


10 posted on 12/27/2011 11:39:12 AM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: pfony1

A vote for Gingrich is a vote for Pelosi. A vote for Romney is a vote for Dukakis. The media is trying to convince you those are your choices. I’m trying to convinve you you came to FR to get away from those choices. Don’t settle for a socialist.


11 posted on 12/27/2011 11:41:18 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: pfony1

A vote for Gingrich is a vote for Pelosi. A vote for Romney is a vote for Dukakis. The media is trying to convince you those are your choices. I’m trying to convince you you came to FR to get away from those choices. Don’t settle for a socialist.


12 posted on 12/27/2011 11:41:30 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: reaganaut
Conservatives need to stand up to the GOP and say “NO MORE” to all of these half-assed candidates.

Conservatives have been. You can bet on it.

The problem is the GOP is taking on the characteristics of the Democrat Party in they just don't give a damn and will do as they see fit, paying no heed to the will of The People.

The BS in Virgina is a prime example and I expect to see more of it, not less.

If the GOP can not be brought under control they must be eliminated via defunding and internal conservatives. As it stands right now, the reputation of the GOP is worthless.

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13 posted on 12/27/2011 11:41:38 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: xzins

I think that putting our government in charge of healthcare is insane. No matter what. This is the same logic they used to justify federal income tax and everything after it. I think you are suicidal if you want to do that. Gingrombacare is deadly for our freedom.


14 posted on 12/27/2011 11:45:10 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: xzins
I’m beginning to think that the best answer is to get rid of all health insurance and force everyone to pay out of pocket. Everyone on their own....pay your own way.

I agree with that. That would be a much better solution. But Gingrich and the other socialists don't want that.

15 posted on 12/27/2011 11:48:02 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

.....or for a lefty, crazy old man named Ron Paul....!!!


16 posted on 12/27/2011 11:48:22 AM PST by swampfox101
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To: xzins
If Gingrich is guilty of anything he's guilty of being non-ideological. He throws around ideas - some good & some terrible - to solve what we all agree are problems.

If so having him in the WH instead of someone ideologically disposed to socialist doctrine - Romney, or marxist doctrine - Obama, would be an immense improvement.

Of course I'd rather Santorum was polling higher, but he's not.

17 posted on 12/27/2011 11:50:53 AM PST by skeeter
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To: xzins
So, do you think some clown making 60 grand should walk into the hospital and get to walk out paying nothing?

Don't you realize when you are being played? Of course, I don't want to pay for this gut. But in the meantime, it's better than becoming property of the federal government and letting them take over every facet of the economy? I don't want to pay that hospital bill, but it's not worth giving up my freedom for. These people will make LBJ and FDR look like hardcore libertarians. Don't fall for it!

18 posted on 12/27/2011 11:51:12 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: swampfox101

It would help if you actually read what Newt is saying here. I don’t want to pay for the health care of those who can afford health insurance but chose not to get it, then go to the emergency room. Later they don’t pay the bill, and that drives up our cost. Read, he is right.


19 posted on 12/27/2011 11:53:18 AM PST by david1313 (Newt all the way)
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To: Mr. K
It even more disgusting that they get us to go against Newt by saying he is “just like Romney” when they love Romney

I can't stand Romney. Newt is just like him. There, fixed it.

20 posted on 12/27/2011 11:54:26 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Mr. K
It even more disgusting that they get us to go against Newt by saying he is “just like Romney” when they love Romney

I can't stand Romney. Newt is just like him. There, fixed it.

21 posted on 12/27/2011 11:54:40 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: skeeter
I know why you say he's not ideological: whenever a member of the establishment tells him he's smart, he does whatever they tell him. But if you want to read his ideology, read, Third Wave. Basically are Constitution is obsolete and Gingrich think's he's Luke Skywalker.
22 posted on 12/27/2011 11:55:39 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: pfony1
Therefore, I’d say that if you think radical changes are needed in Washington (as I do), you should vote for Gingrich in the primaries.

I don't think getting rid of our Constitution is the radical change we need. (That's what Gingrich's mentor Toffler suggests)

23 posted on 12/27/2011 11:57:54 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

If 80% of America has health insurance, and if the average family is 4 people, and if a family policy costs 15 grand, then America is spending about a trillion a year on medical coverage, or about 3700 a person per year on average, a manageable number.

So, the real problem is not the average cost per person. The real problem is the guy who has a million dollar illness versus the hundreds who have no illness at all that year and cost nothing to anybody, including themselves.


24 posted on 12/27/2011 12:01:20 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: TLI

Then it is time to rebel and mean it. I see to many self professed conservatives who are giving into the GOP by stating anybody but Obama.

We have to do better than that, because Anybody but the democrat is partly what got us Obama in the first place.


25 posted on 12/27/2011 12:03:30 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: xzins

And giving full authority to the government will solve that? If you think it’s expensive now, wait until then. I, for one, do not support that.


26 posted on 12/27/2011 12:10:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: skeeter

The very worst I’ve heard about Santorum to date is that he took one for the republican team, by supporting eventual turncoat Arlen Specter; that folks “feel” his facial expression is wrong during debates; and that he lost a race for Senate after winning 2 in a row.

Those aren’t exactly the worst gripes against a candidate that I’ve ever run across...but they might find a place among the dumbest.


27 posted on 12/27/2011 12:14:29 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: pfony1
I do agree that either Romney or Newt would be a hugh improvement over Dear Leader, but neither will get my vote in the primaries. If I'm still alive in Nov. 2012, I will vote for the Republican nominee PERIOD.
28 posted on 12/27/2011 12:17:23 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: nickcarraway; P-Marlowe

I didn’t say I’d give any authority to the government.

I’d just have a law that said, “It is theft to use a hospital, doctor, pharmacy, or medical facility without paying.”

Does that qualify as “a government solution” or is that similar to saying “you can’t shoplift at the 5 and dime”?

If I were feeling a little more generous, I might write it to say, “You can’t receive medical care in any facility receiving any kind of government funding without having either insurance or an independent means of paying.”


29 posted on 12/27/2011 12:19:57 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: xzins
Someone making 65,000.00 will not be able to just walk out on the bill and not pay. I had no insurance for many years and always had to pay.
30 posted on 12/27/2011 12:22:11 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: nickcarraway

Actually, I think the media is trying to convince me that Romney is my “only choice”. I figure the media has had an advance peek at Romney’s second (and third?) “secret wives”, who will be “revealed” by the DNC after Romney is annointed by the GOP. Bye-bye, Mitt...

Regarding your comment, “A vote for Gingrich is a vote for Pelosi”, I respectfully disagree. As Speaker, Gingrich DID balance the budget, you know. When did Pelosi do that?

Anyway, we have to play the cards we hold and Ronald Reagan is NOT a candidate for 2012. Our other candidates (with the exception of Ron Paul) would also be better Presidents than Obama, but, IMHO, they do not have the debating skills to stand up to Obama.

IMHO, Ron Paul has allowed himself to become a puppet of George Soros. Paul shares Soros’ “Blame America First” mid-set. And Paul, like Soros, wants to legalize drugs.

So I am not at all surprised that Ron Paul’s campaign is very well-funded. It CAN damage the anti-Obama effort from the “inside”. Would Soros fund a “dirty trick”? You betcha...


31 posted on 12/27/2011 12:23:15 PM PST by pfony1
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To: Coldwater Creek

So, you agree that someone making 65 grand “should not” walk out without paying? Is that correct?


32 posted on 12/27/2011 12:23:36 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: Coldwater Creek

If I’m still alive in Nov 2012, and if Romney or Paul are the nominees, I’ll be working hard to defeat them.

I’m a conservative. Not a republican.


33 posted on 12/27/2011 12:26:44 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: pfony1

The media is trying to convince us that we have a “choice” between Romney and Gingrich. I’m not going to take either of their choices.


34 posted on 12/27/2011 12:31:16 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

If I understand you correctly, you think that Gingrich thinks our Constitution is obsolete and needs to be dumped.

I don’t agree with you at all.

Did you listen to any of the debates?


35 posted on 12/27/2011 12:34:31 PM PST by pfony1
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To: Mr. K

I believe this story has been proven to be mostly BS, but even if it weren’t why would I vote for Romney because he and Newt agree on health care.

It is a ridiculous argument.
So we just say other than health care which is best for America.

I still go with Newt.


36 posted on 12/27/2011 12:38:09 PM PST by Venturer
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To: nickcarraway

Yes, I remember a similar choice in the GHW Bush vs Clinton vs Perot election.

People who were disapointed that Bush “raised taxes”, voted for Perot to “punish” Bush.

Was that BRILLIANT! Or what? Oh, yeah, s-u-i-c-i-d-a-l.


37 posted on 12/27/2011 12:41:20 PM PST by pfony1
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To: xzins
What I'm saying is that someone that has a salary above poverty will HAVE to pay the bill. I have paid on hospital bills for years sometimes.
38 posted on 12/27/2011 12:42:39 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: RipSawyer

39 posted on 12/27/2011 12:43:35 PM PST by McBuff
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To: xzins
Just because one is a conservative they don't have to vote stupid.
40 posted on 12/27/2011 12:45:22 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: nickcarraway

Rick Santorum is every bit as smart as Newt Gingrich and much more dependably conservative.

Vote Rick Santorum in 2012.


41 posted on 12/27/2011 12:50:08 PM PST by Eva
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To: Coldwater Creek

I will find a conservative to vote for. I’ll let you know the name, if, God forbid, one of those 2 clowns wins the repub nomination.


42 posted on 12/27/2011 12:52:57 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: Eva

Your job in promoting Rick Santorum is not to hammer Newt Gingrich. It is to hammer Mitt Romney.

Anyone who doesn’t hammer Romney is suspect in my book. I just consider them another naive conservative or a covert Romney-bot.


43 posted on 12/27/2011 12:55:57 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: xzins
While I understand your sentiments entirely, I can not WILL not contribute one iota towards the re-election of the absolute disaster currently inhabiting the WH. I'll vote for Rip Sawyer's squirrels first.
44 posted on 12/27/2011 12:58:17 PM PST by skeeter
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To: nickcarraway

Newt has said he will dismantle Obamacare before Zero’s plane lands in Chicago. I don’t see a problem here.


45 posted on 12/27/2011 1:00:02 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: nickcarraway
I think that putting our government in charge of healthcare is insane. No matter what. This is the same logic they used to justify federal income tax and everything after it. I think you are suicidal if you want to do that. Gingrombacare is deadly for our freedom.

Perry thought that Hillarry's efforts of government deciding our healthcare was "worthy" and "commendable".


46 posted on 12/27/2011 1:03:45 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: pfony1
Okay, at debates, candidates just say what they think the audience wants to hear. Gingrich has many times over the years mentioned that Alvin Toffler and his book, Third Wave. Among other things, this book tells us that the Constitution is obsolete, etc. Why has Gingrich promoted this book and said it has been the most influential book on this philosophy? Are you calling him a liar. That's what Gingrich has said about himself, not his enemies. How can you ignore his own words??
47 posted on 12/27/2011 1:06:12 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Its a disgustingly slanted article by a moron.


48 posted on 12/27/2011 1:06:55 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: pfony1

In Mitt Romney can convince you to vote for a warmed-over Marxist, that’s your right. But as for me, a whole army or Romneys couldn’t get me to vote for Gingrich and against our Constitution.


49 posted on 12/27/2011 1:10:15 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: skeeter

A conservative candidate who brings together conservatives could win a 3 way race.

Conservatives account for 40% of the vote, liberals 20%, and moderates 40%.

If Obama and Romney split the 60% libs and moderates, then the 40% conservative ticket wins.

Just something to think about.


50 posted on 12/27/2011 1:13:29 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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