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I am simply tired of this insanity.

Okay, lets take a look.

I get home everyday to relax by FR and all I see is forty RP name calling threads. I just ask myself why.. then I ask on the thread. Really?

I can only speak for myself, but when you raise a question here, you're actually doing it for others who don't post. Along the same lines, when I respond, it's also for others who have seen other isolationists come and go. Paul talks a good game about keeping our military strong at home, when we bring all our troops home. There are unsaid ramifications of doing this though.

When we pull troops out of Germany, South Korea, and other places around the world, they become part of a large force at home on U. S. soil. What would be the next thing that would happen if we had a large un-used body of military members on our soil? Pretty soon Paul would be making the case that we didn't need that many military members in arms, prepared to go to war. This would replicate throughout the military, as our Navy, our Airforce, our special services military members were whittled away. Our preparedness would over time be destroyed.

Why have ten carrier groups around the world? We could do with five. /s Why have a 280 ship Navy? We could do with 100. /s Why have all those operational aircraft? Why develop new aircraft? Why spend so much on research and development? We don't need to expand, we're already the number one player on the planet. /s

We do these things so that we will have them when we must. We simply cannot develop them after attack, or within six months once it beomes clear war is ahead. We project so we don't fight in your neighborhood. We project so our defences start on foreign soil, not our own.

Paul and others are upset that we have military operations here and there from time to time. Only by having military operations here and there from time to time, do we keep our war making machine strong. Only by having military operations like this, do we develop new tactics for effectively combating the enemy in deserts, rain forrests, rural, and metropolitan areas.

If we wish to remain the top dog on the planet, we have to take a bite out of the occasional burgler once in a while.

One nation or anther will be the global hegemon. Either we will exhert our wold view around the world, or another up and coming nation will do it. The question we have to ask ourselves is, do we think there is another nation out there that would play as even-handedly as we do? Would China? Would Russia? Would the expanding body of Islam?

Prior to World Wars I and II, we became isolationist. We were basically caught off-guard by global conflict twice. It was bad enough in the age when far away places made it remote that we would be involved quickly in a conflict. Today we live in a world that is much smaller. Expeditionary forces can be moved around the planet in a matter of days, with enough equipment to mount a serious conflict. We simply cannot afford to let a guy like Ron Paul eviscerate us when this is the reality in which we live. To do so would be national suicide.

This is why you see a lot of folks jump in to criticize Ron Paul when it looks like some people would be misguided enough to take a chance on him.

Don’t we have more important things to discuss than any one person’s sanity or lack thereof.

Survival is the number one priority. There is nothing more important.

I have faith in God, who would not allow the earth to drop out of the sky if he was elected.

Sorry to have to do this, but this little example is called for yet again.

A man is stranded on a desert island. He prays to God for deliverance. Within short succession, a helicopter, a large boat, and a submarine bring people to the island to offer rescue. Each time the stranded man says, "I have prayed to God for deliverance, and it would show a lack of faith to leave with you." God will provide." In time, the man dies and goes to heaven. At the gate he confronts God. "I prayed to You and You didn't rescue me." God looks him in the face and responds, "I sent you a helicopter, a large boat, and a submarine to take you off the island. You refused my rescue."

God has given us the power to remain strong and defend ourselves. It would be wrong for us to refuse to do so.

There are better men than Ron Paul out there. I don't want God saying to me, "I gave you better people, and you voted for him. Don't blame me."

I have these same discussions with my dh who thinks Israel would immediately vaporize. I love Israel, but she is in G-ds hands. Just like my children and other loved ones, He is far more capable of caring for the world than any government.

So you wouldn't defend your children and other loved ones, if they were put in danger? Of course you would. We as a nation, must exhert the same effort on behalf of our nation, and even other nations that depend on the U. S. to keep things on an even keel around the planet. It's in our and their best interest as long as it is done rationally.

That’s why I ask these vitriolic posters if they are afraid of running out of other people’s money or what?

We should get our spending under control. We should not cut Constitutionally sound budget items and let other items we are spending five times as much money on that aren't Constitutionally sound to continue.

Do they work for the Fed, or the government?

Well, the problem is what Ron always addresses first when he talks about cutting. War on Iraq, cost of about $1.25 trillion over ten years, cut it now. Welfare, cost of about $5 trillion over ten years, no mention. I don't have a problem with going after the Fed. At this point I am not convinced it needs to cease to exist. There are valid arguments for it and over time I might change my thoughts on it.

There must be something driving it.. cause we have more important things to discuss rather than pimp candidates.

I would think that after Obama, you would understand that the wrong pimp candidate could severely damage our nation. In some very important ways, Ron Paul would be worse than Obama.
Sorry for the rant.

Well said!

Thats it? LOL. Look, I served, lost family members to war. Save your lecture for someone who does not know the truth. So you think God has told you to vote for someone better? What does better mean? Does it mean someone who will spend other people’s money faster and harder, cause that’s what we are looking at. Do not lecture me on the military, that might work for the gen pop.. but not on me. None of your arguments convinced me of anything other than.. you type faster than I do. So... damn the Constitution and Full speed ahead then! For now, you might like it.