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From Planes To Trains: TSA Expands Spot Searches To Union Station
CBS Los Angeles ^ | December 27th, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 12/28/2011 5:06:48 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad

An all-too-familiar sight at LAX and the rest of the nation’s airports will soon be coming to the city’s busiest train station.

KNX 1070′s Pete Demetriou reports rail passengers have started seeing Transportation Security Administration on patrol at Union Station on a more frequent basis.

As many as 25 VIPR (Visible Intermodal Prevention & Response) teams began patrolling train stations nationwide last summer conducting an estimated 9,300 “suspicionless” spot searches of travelers.

The agency has said the presence of officers with explosive detection dogs, radiation monitors and other devices will act as a deterrent in the nation’s busiest travel hubs.

(Excerpt) Read more at losangeles.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; gestapo; groping; searches; sphincterpolic; tsa; viper; vipr; vipre
Ah, the VIPR teams strike again. Pretty soon, I figure a VIPR team will be in each and every block throughout the USA, and you'll get searched the minute you walk out your door.

RIP, Fourth Amendment.

In all the time I've been in Europe, I've been asked to present ID exactly twice; once in Prague, once in Berlin. Both times, I flashed my American passport, the cops saw my visa(s) and I was on my merry way in less than 30 seconds. Never been groped, probed, irradiated, or patted down. Ever.

1 posted on 12/28/2011 5:07:01 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to start seeing them at shopping malls and any large public gathering places real soon.
2 posted on 12/28/2011 5:10:57 PM PST by Truth29
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Isn’t the TSA also going to the Highways in Tennessee?


3 posted on 12/28/2011 5:11:59 PM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Obama is putting his Brown Shirts in place.


4 posted on 12/28/2011 5:22:13 PM PST by ryderann
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To: Truth29

I think that’s likely the next phase.....increased VIPR deployment to large public gathering places, malls, sporting events, political rallies, etc.


5 posted on 12/28/2011 5:22:26 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Tai_Chung

That rings a bell, actually. I think they deployed random checkpoints in Tennessee if I remember. I don’t remember the specific reason, but I think it was a pilot project.


6 posted on 12/28/2011 5:23:41 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: ryderann

Maybe we’ll have TSA VIPR teams monitoring polling places in November 2012......after all, that’s a large public gathering isn’t it?

I’m not sure whether to add a “sarcasm” or “prophecy” suffix......


7 posted on 12/28/2011 5:25:44 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

I’d like to know where they get their authority to expand their presence all over. It appears that they can go wherever they choose to and do whatever they want?


8 posted on 12/28/2011 5:29:38 PM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Offhand I’d say they’re deriving their authority from the Patriot Act.


9 posted on 12/28/2011 5:31:21 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

A total police state just makes me feel so much safer!/s


10 posted on 12/28/2011 5:31:49 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

People who utilize rail for commuting to work have got to love this. “Hey, boss, I’m gonna be late for work; TSA is gumming up the works and people are missing their trains.”


11 posted on 12/28/2011 5:33:33 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Check out the very recent FBI redefinition of rape. It’s online if you do a Google search. It is scheduled to be operative early in 2012. I don’t know if it will put a damper on TSAs most egregious groping.


12 posted on 12/28/2011 5:34:20 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

What would you want to bet that disinformation cells, both Moose and non-Moose, are putting out all manner of invented “traffic” about “possible attacks” in all manner of public places? Thereby keeping these Vipers in a whirl and creating all manner of nuisance to the average traveler?


13 posted on 12/28/2011 5:36:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Rest easy, America! TSA is on the job! Remember, if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to worry about!


14 posted on 12/28/2011 5:36:53 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: ArmyTeach

I doubt the FBI re-definition of rape will change much. After all, it’s for the sake of national security. /s


15 posted on 12/28/2011 5:40:29 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: COBOL2Java

I wonder how much longer it’ll be before some kind of domestic passport system is set up.

It’s what they had in the old USSR. I figure by 2014 or so, that’ll be the next phase of the system.


16 posted on 12/28/2011 5:42:36 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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17 posted on 12/28/2011 5:43:30 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Zippy/Holder stuck on stupid bump.


18 posted on 12/28/2011 5:45:14 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

TSA needs to be abolished. Quickly. These are unaccountable glorified baggage handlers that love their power.

This is how free travel in a country is destroyed. You will not be able to use any government transportation (that you’re paying taxes for plus fees) or private transportation systems unless you go under the govt anal probe and all you CCW folks, well you’re terrorists now.


19 posted on 12/28/2011 5:46:16 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Wait till they start doing random security roadblocks. That’ll probably get phased in sometime in 2013.

You’re driving on your way to work, and presto! There’s a random security roadblock just up ahead. They’ll check you driver’s license against the database, sweep a mirror under your car, maybe a bomb-sniffing dog, and (presumably) send you on your way.

You’ll get used to it, citizen. Have no fear; remain calm. The security you’ve demanded is now mandatory.


20 posted on 12/28/2011 5:46:40 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Thing is govt doesn’t care. It gives them a cover to do this. If it is true or if it isn’t. Either way they can claim it and do it.


21 posted on 12/28/2011 5:48:28 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: CodeToad

Heh. Good one. And looking more prophetic by the day.


22 posted on 12/28/2011 5:48:28 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

“9,300 “suspicionless” spot searches of travelers.”

If the law does not designate secured areas, such as airport checkpoints, a suspicionless search can be refused.
To my knowledge rail or bus is not a secure area.
Furthermore, some of the VIPR searches are of people LEAVING the train.
In such a case you can laugh in their faces and walk away. They cannot conduct a “Terry stop” search of you because you wish to leave a rail station, unless they are sworn law enforcement, and they have reasonable suspicion that a crime is occuring.


23 posted on 12/28/2011 5:50:01 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

They do have something in the works based on the 10 different FEMA regions of the country.


24 posted on 12/28/2011 5:50:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Would you want to bet that the Feds aren’t pointing out the 800lb. gorilla in the room that Muzzies are the ones causing the terrorism for the last 40 years and that the blame has to equally spread around to all citizens therefore justifying the need for VIPER?

Not Muslims, no terrorism.

If we kicked them all out and sent them packing to their Sharia-compliant nation of choice the Left could not use them as an excuse to take away our freedoms and liberties.


25 posted on 12/28/2011 5:50:29 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I agree, it needs to be abolished. And as you said, it’s how free travel is destroyed.

For the foreseeable future, though, I’d say TSA is here to stay and their powers and duties will only expand (such as these VIPR teams).


26 posted on 12/28/2011 5:51:05 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Sadly, it gives any team that seriously is bent on suitcase-nuking a site a perfect way of distracting from it. Going to bomb Atlanta? Send everyone to Maine.


27 posted on 12/28/2011 5:51:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Where ever the TSA is going I'm going in the opposite direction.The TSA does not provide security.If they did the Underwear bomber would have never got on a plane.
28 posted on 12/28/2011 5:52:12 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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A bomb sniffing dog would be the best way to catch an underwear bomber, especially if the explosive were actually made into the fabric (no telltale bulk). But, Moose think that dog slobber is ritually unclean. So, no Fido sniffing crotches. Just gropesters.


29 posted on 12/28/2011 5:56:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Secret Agent Man; All

I wouldn’t be surprised one iota.

I figure the next step will be to designate as “secure areas” place where the public gathers, and of course federal highways, maybe train stations, etc.

It’s coming down the line, I’m sure. Just a matter of time.

Closing down....late here in Europe. Have a good one, one and all.


30 posted on 12/28/2011 5:57:10 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: puppypusher

The TSA is kinda like the Keystone Kops.

I can’t blame them for the Underwear Bomber fiasco, though....he got on the plane in Amsterdam, and the TSA’s power doesn’t extend overseas.


31 posted on 12/28/2011 6:01:53 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Your papers, please.


32 posted on 12/28/2011 6:03:42 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Where are you going?,why are you going?,must see your papers now.


33 posted on 12/28/2011 6:06:34 PM PST by bikerman (you can take the man out of the jungle but can't take the jungle out of the man)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad; Secret Agent Man
A related thread posted today:

TSA security measures: worse than useless ["Security Theater"]

Previous threads on TSA's VIPR

TSA screenings aren't just for airports anymore [read this]

Mission Creep: This Tennessee Highway Is Now Patrolled by TSA (VIPR Bites Rail, Bus, Ferries)

Police State TSA is Trucking Right Along

VIPR Searches and the American Citizen: 'Dominate. Intimidate. Control.'

Napolitano’s V.I.P.R. Vows to “Dominate,Intimidate and Control”the American People

34 posted on 12/28/2011 6:08:45 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

A bomb sniffing dog would be the best way to catch an underwear bomber, especially if the explosive were actually made into the fabric (no telltale bulk). But, Moose think that dog slobber is ritually unclean. So, no Fido sniffing crotches. Just gropesters.

You know that and so do I.Actually it would be much faster and cheaper to have a trained bomb detection dog and handler working in these airports.

people don’t realise that the amount of explosives these dogs can detect can be as small as a .22 caliber round and when they do detect the explosive they are usually trained to just sit.

So as far as being offensive I say tough cookies.

The TSA as its implemented now is there only to harrass little old ladied,Children and our own troops coming back home.Inept SOB’s,.


35 posted on 12/28/2011 6:08:59 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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"Maybe we’ll have TSA VIPR teams monitoring polling places in November 2012......after all, that’s a large public gathering isn’t it?

I’m not sure whether to add a “sarcasm” or “prophecy” suffix......"

I'll go with prophecy. What an idea. Holder and Napolitano making sure that those who will vote for Obama get expedited, special voting access while the rest of us appear on lists and get the "DOMINATE, INTIMIDATE, CONTROL" treatment from TSA and are strongly discouraged from voting.

36 posted on 12/28/2011 6:13:19 PM PST by Truth29
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Your American passport will soon be worth whatever it is printed upon.


37 posted on 12/28/2011 6:40:11 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: HiTech RedNeck
A bomb sniffing dog would be the best way to catch an underwear bomber

I can't even drive into an airport now because everything I own (except my body, which I definitely do NOT own) is saturated with primer residue.

I want that all gone.

38 posted on 12/28/2011 6:51:09 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: thouworm

For later...


39 posted on 12/28/2011 7:08:20 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Keep the CHRIST in Christmas!!!)
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To: elkfersupper

The poochies can’t tell common gun ammo from things that are used to build bombs? Primer by itself would be useless for an underwear bomb or the like.


40 posted on 12/28/2011 8:06:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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Smokeless powder is a propellent. Primers have a small amount of explosive.

I can tell you from personal experience that the dogs know the difference.

41 posted on 12/29/2011 5:04:48 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Truth29

The TSA is nothing more than a group of hired sphincter police gropers.

P.S.

And it is our tax money.


42 posted on 12/29/2011 9:46:49 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) (Y)
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