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Morning Bell: The Unintended Consequences of Internet Regulation [Stop SOPA]
heritage.org ^ | Dec 28, 2011 | By Rob Bluey

Posted on 12/29/2011 2:20:45 AM PST by Jim Robinson

Would you be outraged if the Department of Justice shut down The Foundry [1] without any warning and blocked access for more than a year?

That’s exactly what happened to a hip-hop blog called Dajaz1.com [2], which was falsely accused of criminal copyright infringement [3]. The blog posted music from artists promoting their work. But federal authorities viewed it differently. They seized the domain name, then shared virtually no information with its owner for more than year. Only recently did they quietly drop the case [4].

The government’s handling of this hip-hop blog is fueling fears about legislation moving quickly through Congress [5] that addresses copyright infringement and online piracy.

The Stop Online Piracy Act [6], or SOPA as it’s known in the House, and the Senate’s PROTECT IP Act [7] would give the U.S. attorney general the power and authority to block criminal enterprises from trafficking in illegal products online.

Their cause is a noble one. Business incur significant losses when Americans buy counterfeit items. Consumers must also be increasingly vigilant about purchases they make online. Federal authorities shut down more than 150 websites [8] just last month for pirated goods.

But the two bills making their way through Congress are the wrong solution. They pose serious threats to freedom of speech and expression and raise security concerns [9]. With the Senate possibly voting on the PROTECT IP Act in January and the House moving forward with hearings on SOPA, Americans should understand what’s at stake [10].

As the case with Dajaz1.com illustrates, the federal government already has the ability to shut down U.S.-based websites. A growing number of so-called “rogue sites” are located outside the United States, however, limiting the government’s ability to block them.

SOPA would give Attorney General Eric Holder and individual intellectual property holders the ability to sue these rogue sites if they were “dedicated to theft of U.S. property.” The government, through a court order, could take these four steps:

Require Internet service providers to prevent subscribers from reaching the website in question; Prohibit search engines such as Google from providing direct links to the foreign website in search results; Prohibit payment network providers, such as PayPal or credit card firms, from completing financial transactions affecting the site; and Bar Internet advertising firms from placing online ads from or to the affected website. “The legislation addresses a legitimate problem,” wrote Heritage’s regulatory policy expert James Gattuso [9], “but it may have unintended negative consequences for the operation of the Internet and free speech.”

Free speech: The legislation gives the government the authority to tamper with Internet search results by requiring firms like Google to block links to infringing websites. Placing this limit on information providers is troubling and arguably a violation of the First Amendment [11]. Besides, Washington’s appetite for power is uncontrollable, and this would almost certainly lead to a slippery slope of unwanted interference in the future.

Internet security: Criminals would almost certainly discover new ways to circumvent the government’s measures. But the most glaring security problem with SOPA is the damage it would cause to DNSSEC [12], the new Internet system designed to limit certain crimes. This would jeopardize security across the Internet, potentially creating new challenges.

“The federal government needs to protect intellectual property rights,” Gattuso concluded in his analysis [9]. “But it should do so in a way that does not disrupt the growth of technology, does not weaken Internet security, respects free speech rights, and solves the problem of rogue sites.”

The debate over SOPA is already among the most intense and polarizing taking place in Washington — and rightfully so. With concerns about free speech and Internet security taking center stage, lawmakers would be wise to look at alternatives [13] when they return in January.

Article printed from The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation: http://blog.heritage.org

URL to article: http://blog.heritage.org/2011/12/28/morning-bell-the-unintended-consequences-of-internet-regulation/


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KEYWORDS: bloggers; congress; corruption; freespeech; govtabuse; holder; netneutrality; obama; sopa; tyranny
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DON'T LET IT HAPPEN!! WOULD BE THE END OF FREEDOM!!
1 posted on 12/29/2011 2:20:54 AM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: upchuck; abb; JerseyHighlander; onyx; Syncro; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; JoeProBono; ...

As upchuck says:

This should be attacked with the same vigor we show during a FReepathon.

Each FReeper should contact his/her two Senators and Representative about these issues.

The continued long term existence of Free Republic may hang in the balance.


2 posted on 12/29/2011 2:26:28 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s been tried before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licensing_of_the_Press_Act_1662

The Licensing of the Press Act 1662 is an Act of the Parliament of England (14 Car. II. c. 33), long title “An Act for preventing the frequent Abuses in printing seditious treasonable and unlicensed Bookes and Pamphlets and for regulating of Printing and Printing Presses.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licensing_Order_of_1643

Motivated by a desire to eliminate chaos and piracy in the printing industry, protect parliamentary activities and proceedings from its opponents, suppress royalist propaganda and check the widening currency of various sects’ radical ideas, Parliament instituted a new state-controlled censoring apparatus in the Licensing Order of 16 June 1643.

The Licensing Order reintroduced almost all of the stringent censorship machinery of the 1637 Star Chamber Decree including:

pre-publication licensing
registration of all printing materials with the names of author, printer and publisher in the Register at Stationers’ Hall
search, seizure and destruction of any books offensive to the government
arrest and imprisonment of any offensive writers, printers and publishers.

The Stationers’ Company was given the responsibility of acting as censor, in return for a monopoly of the printing trade. [2]


3 posted on 12/29/2011 2:33:34 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/29/144417831/godaddys-suport-for-sopa-draws-customers-ire

GoDaddy’s Suport For SOPA Draws Customers’ Ire


4 posted on 12/29/2011 2:38:15 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

http://castleford.com.au/blog/2011/december-29-could-be-d-day-for-godaddy
December 29 could be D-Day for GoDaddy

http://www.techieinsider.com/news/13893/godaddy-reverses-postion-thousands/
GoDaddy Reverses Postion on SOPA As Thousands Leave

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/12/29/bloggers-unite-to-crush-sopa/
Bloggers unite to crush SOPA

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/18062-more-than-70000-domains-leave-go-daddy-over-sopa-support/
More than 70,000 domains leave Go Daddy over SOPA support

More, not only was Go Daddy a supporter of SOPA, but they actually helped craft part of the bill and were even exempt from it. So, while other smaller sites could be targeted by the DOD for pirating, Go Daddy essentially has a get out of jail free card.


6 posted on 12/29/2011 2:45:28 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/28/on-eve-net-boycott-dump-godaddy-exodus-begins/
On Eve of Net Boycott, Dump GoDaddy Exodus Begins


7 posted on 12/29/2011 2:47:46 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/12/no-one-cutting-go-daddy-any-slack/46749/
No One Is Cutting Go Daddy Any Slack

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/oscar-academy-awards-godaddy-276479
Film Academy Targets GoDaddy Founder As Legal Fight Heats Up (Exclusive)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57349256-501465/dumping-go-daddy-rivals-offer-domain-transfer-day-deals/
Dumping Go Daddy? Rivals offer domain transfer day deals

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/12/28/reddit-users-to-target-supporters-of-sopa-in-congress-after-successful-boycott-of-godaddy/
Reddit Users to Target Supporters of SOPA in Congress After Successful Boycott of GoDaddy


8 posted on 12/29/2011 2:54:44 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: upchuck; abb; All

Oops, intended to post this right after the article:

URLs in this post:

[1] The Foundry: http://blog.heritage.org/

[2] Dajaz1.com: http://dajaz1.com/

[3] falsely accused of criminal copyright infringement: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111208/08225217010/breaking-news-feds-falsely-censor-popular-blog-over-year-deny-all-due-process-hide-all-details.shtml

[4] quietly drop the case: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/12/ice-admits-months-long-seizure-of-music-blog-was-a-mistake.ars

[5] fueling fears about legislation moving quickly through Congress: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111211/22524417035/congressional-investigations-into-dajaz1com-censorship-begin.shtml

[6] Stop Online Piracy Act: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3261:

[7] PROTECT IP Act: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.968:

[8] shut down more than 150 websites: http://www.pcworld.com/article/245045/feds_celebrate_cyber_monday_with_crackdown_on_counterfeiters.html?tk=rel_news

[9] serious threats to freedom of speech and expression and raise security concerns: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/12/online-piracy-and-sopa-beware-of-unintended-consequences

[10] Americans should understand what’s at stake: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57329001-281/how-sopa-would-affect-you-faq/

[11] arguably a violation of the First Amendment: http://c4sif.org/2011/12/tribe-sopa-is-unconstitutional/

[12] most glaring security problem with SOPA is the damage it would cause to DNSSEC: http://volokh.com/2011/12/14/sopa-rope-a-dope/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+volokh%2Fmainfeed+%28The+Volokh+Conspiracy%29

[13] look at alternatives: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/198135-issa-wyden-unveil-competing-online-piracy-bill

[14] relying on secret facilities and an expanded drone program: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/national-security/under-obama-an-emerging-global-apparatus-for-drone-killing/2011/12/13/gIQANPdILP_story.html?hpid=z1

[15] raise the U.S. borrowing limit by $1.2 trillion: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/201407-obama-will-ask-congress-to-raise-debt-ceiling-by-12b

[16] Iran’s navy chief threatened on Wednesday to block it off: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g24n7LzTwAtsbznj1JgvSYlgiWyw?docId=478bf3f7a1c44af8b512e533bba8134e

[17] Home prices in America’s largest cities fell in October: http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-housing-prices-20111228,0,541656.story

[18] A new poll gives an answer that might surprise President Obama.: http://blog.heritage.org/2011/12/27/how-would-americans-help-economy-less-government/


9 posted on 12/29/2011 2:58:05 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: abb

http://lisalisax2.livejournal.com/52443.html
SOPA is losing steam, Internet censorship may not become law

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2011/12/28/epic-fail-lawmakers-support-sopa-while-staffers-download-illegal-files
Epic Fail: Lawmakers Support SOPA While Staffers Download Illegal Files


10 posted on 12/29/2011 3:04:41 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Jim Robinson


11 posted on 12/29/2011 3:09:51 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit)
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To: JoeProBono

An alternative to Go Daddy.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cloud-computing-company-centuric-offers-reduced-399-transfer-fees-on-domain-registration-136365413.html

Cloud Computing Company Centuric Offers Reduced $3.99 Transfer Fees on Domain Registration


12 posted on 12/29/2011 3:15:30 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

http://www.prisonplanet.com/why-we-must-stop-sopa.html
Why We Must Stop SOPA


13 posted on 12/29/2011 3:18:55 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Jim Robinson; upchuck; abb; glock rocks; SunkenCiv; dayglored; STARWISE; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Several valuable links.
Thank you very much! Please pay heed to Jim’s post #2.

Ping and pass it along, please.


14 posted on 12/29/2011 3:24:52 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: onyx

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/12/prweb9063249.htm
Domain.com Consistent on its Opposition to Proposed SOPA Legislation

http://www.itproportal.com/2011/12/29/dump-godaddy-day-begins/
Dump GoDaddy Day Begins

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16320149
GoDaddy faces boycott over SOPA Act support


15 posted on 12/29/2011 3:42:27 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

Thank you very much, abb! You’re all over this important issue. Superb research and links! GOOD on you!!!


16 posted on 12/29/2011 4:11:14 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: onyx

The 1520 version of SOPA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exsurge_Domine

Exsurge Domine is a papal bull issued on 15 June 1520 by Pope Leo X in response to the teachings of Martin Luther in his 95 theses and subsequent writings which opposed the views of the papacy. The Latin title Exsurge Domine is translated into English as Arise, O Lord.


17 posted on 12/29/2011 4:17:36 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57349540-281/sopa-opponents-may-go-nuclear-and-other-2012-predictions/
SOPA opponents may go nuclear and other 2012 predictions

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-whats-coming-in-2012-the-content-industry-strikes-back/
What’s Coming In 2012: The Content Industry Strikes Back

http://www.miller-mccune.com/politics/sopa-debate-highlights-congresss-ignorance-38666/
SOPA Debate Highlights Congress’s Ignorance


18 posted on 12/29/2011 4:33:52 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

I thought it was strange that GoDaddy called a few days ago.The woman said I had just renewed the website and asked me about the Domain name and if I wanted to move it to them.I said no.


19 posted on 12/29/2011 4:37:04 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: All

I was not there.........i am not a Professor of History...but it seems to me that we are at the same point as the American Colonists were when the King was infringing on the liberties of the Colonists. HMMMMMMMMMMM


20 posted on 12/29/2011 4:37:50 AM PST by Einherjar
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To: Einherjar

We were at the same point a long, long time ago.


21 posted on 12/29/2011 4:50:31 AM PST by wastedyears (Not too long you devious little parathyroid. Soon I'll be rid of you and I'll be free.)
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To: Jim Robinson

And watch what the other hand is doing - to create confusion.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/12/online-gambling-states-justice.html


22 posted on 12/29/2011 4:52:07 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason..)
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To: fatima

http://www.newser.com/story/136397/godaddy-braces-for-todays-mass-exodus.html
GoDaddy Braces for Today’s Mass Exodus

http://www.businessinsider.com/godaddy-is-facing-a-nasty-boycott-for-once-supporting-sopa-2011-12
GoDaddy Is Facing A Nasty Boycott For Once Supporting SOPA


23 posted on 12/29/2011 5:28:58 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Jim Robinson
federal authorities viewed it differently

That's the fundamental problem in America. Apply the above phrase to everything the FedGov does. Its views on liberty, the Constitution and America are in sync with despotism.

Bureaucrats fundamentally don't understand freedom. They don't choose it personally, so why should you?

24 posted on 12/29/2011 5:34:23 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: abb

It’s a worldwide socialist phenomenon.

Argentine Senate approves government control of newsprint for media friends and foes alike:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/argentine-senate-approves-government-control-of-newsprint-for-media-friends-and-foes-alike/2011/12/22/gIQAc6O4BP_story.html


25 posted on 12/29/2011 5:39:14 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: abb

There are better hosting companies than godaddy. I’ve used Bluehost.com for years and have been quite happy.


26 posted on 12/29/2011 5:39:42 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: abb
SOPA opponents may go nuclear and other 2012 predictions

It's absolutely what they must do. Google or Wiki going black would definitely shake the world.

27 posted on 12/29/2011 5:47:46 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: driftdiver

GoDaddy is crooked. I used their Whois to search for a domain name availability, and the creeps bought the domain name themselves a few days later. The tried to charge me $5000 for my idea that they have parked on.


28 posted on 12/29/2011 5:53:34 AM PST by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat

Register.com did the same thing to me.


29 posted on 12/29/2011 6:01:18 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Both of these SOPA Bills are pure evil.

They're something Himmler and his SD, the Sicherheitsdienst, (Secret Service, State Secret Police), or the Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) would have came up with if the Net existed in the 30's and 40's. As it was they could only go after radios and transmitters - with fairly good success. If they had today's technology they would have had a 100% shutdown of 'foreign propaganda'. As that's what these two Bills add up to. Shutdown and CONTROL.

If I'm wrong, I'd like some genius in Congress to show me where I'm wrong comparing them to Himmler and his SD with these bills!

an aside: It's stuff like this why I never liked the idea of: "Homeland Security". It smacked of Himmler's: SS, SD, Gestapo, and other little state security groups.
(note: Ernst Röhm's SA is not to be included. They were kind of like 'SEIU Thugs with Badges' and terminated with extreme prejudice when no longer useful to 'The Leader')

30 posted on 12/29/2011 6:02:11 AM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Jim Robinson

Wouldn’t this just be another gold mine for a new set of lawyers involved?

Never thought I would see Reddit (my son’s favorite site) and FR on the same side of an issue!


31 posted on 12/29/2011 6:04:16 AM PST by jaybee
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To: Einherjar
but it seems to me that we are at the same point as the American Colonists were when the King was infringing on the liberties of the Colonists

Read the Declaration of Independence today. You are more right than you realize.

32 posted on 12/29/2011 6:34:23 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks!

Now we're talkin'

Everybody needs to get after this big time.

Stop SOPA and PIPA NOW!

33 posted on 12/29/2011 7:02:08 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: Jim Robinson; ShadowAce; Quill Pen
This POWER GRAB by the federal government is evil and the "copyright infringement" is just a convenient excuse!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH HANGS IN THE BALANCE!!

Thank you for keeping this in the attention of FReepers -- WE CAN'T LET FREEREPUBLIC GET SHUT DOWN BY THE FEDS!!

34 posted on 12/29/2011 7:05:53 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
Has anyone seen this Youtube? If not, check it out, it has a lot of interesting information on it regarding SOPA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc
35 posted on 12/29/2011 7:50:31 AM PST by Gennie
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To: Jim Robinson

Right on it and also posting this on Facebook.


36 posted on 12/29/2011 8:07:26 AM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Each FReeper should contact his/her two Senators and Representative about these issues.

Will do! This is some serious $hit they are up to.

37 posted on 12/29/2011 8:14:44 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Jim Robinson; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

38 posted on 12/29/2011 9:08:56 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Jim Robinson; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

39 posted on 12/29/2011 9:09:32 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: upchuck
Stop SOPA and PIPA NOW!

No, no, no! Don't touch Pipa!!!!


40 posted on 12/29/2011 11:07:35 AM PST by WildSnail (The US government now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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To: Jim Robinson
Each FReeper should contact his/her two Senators and Representative about these issues.

Will do boss, emails on the way.

41 posted on 12/29/2011 12:00:47 PM PST by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: Jim Robinson; South Hawthorne; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; ...
Pennsylvanians note the Pennsylvania connections

It was introduced, Oct. 26, by Lamar Smith (R-Corporate America) and co-sponsored by 31 smarter-than-thou establishmentarians including corporate-beholden Democrats Debbie Wasserman-Shultz (who chairs the Democrat National Committee) and John Conyers, and Pennsylvania hacks Tim Holden of the 17th District and Tom Marino of the 10th District.

42 posted on 12/29/2011 12:35:44 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry (or Gingrich maybe))
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To: abb
Why We Must Stop SOPA

Why we won't stop SOPA. The congress is in the pocket of the Hollywood smut industry, having already extended copyright law to perpituity. Money talks.

43 posted on 12/29/2011 4:40:35 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hi, Jim... bump that.


44 posted on 12/29/2011 8:34:19 PM PST by cyn
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To: Tribune7; Jim Robinson; JerseyHighlander
Saw something about this from a few days ago at #97.

I also posted a link in #64 of a potential Amendment that could help fix the major part of our problems. What people - and I include some FReepers in that group - miss is that there is a big difference between corporatism and capitalism.

We need to fix the problem, not fight the symptoms. The OWS - One World Socialists - is not the way to go unless you are intent on creating a NK existence. The Tea Party has the right idea if they can retain the momentum. God bless us all.

45 posted on 12/29/2011 9:31:40 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: driftdiver

driftdiver wrote:
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There are better hosting companies than godaddy. I’ve used Bluehost.com for years and have been quite happy.
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I use Bluehost.com too and have been happy with them. GoDaddy has always struck me as a sleazy company.


46 posted on 12/29/2011 11:14:55 PM PST by DestroyLiberalism
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To: brityank
Great links, Brit.

You are right about corporatism. Capitalists aren't automatically good as there are a lot of lying, lazy, greedy SOBs in the market.

OTOH, being against capitalism is always bad because that means you are against freedom, added to the fact that those against "capitalism" always seem to forget that there are a lot of lying, lazy, greedy SOBs in government who -- unlike those in the market -- can acquire the legal authority to steal your wealth, imprison you and even kill you.

In debating idiots with basically good hearts we should not forget to emphasize the freedom part rather than the get-rich part.

47 posted on 12/30/2011 5:21:35 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry or Gingrich, maybe. OK Santorum too)
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To: itsahoot

Who knew the XXX people were so engrossed with Mickey Mouse?


48 posted on 01/01/2012 12:35:36 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: dayglored

This is one of the few areas where you get more help from Democrats than from Republicans. Conservatives in Congress can reason a bit too simply and say what’s so hard or requires so much forethought about stopping the “stealing” of all IP — not realizing that the whole concept of IP is a creature of government, and without realizing the scope of speech which would be abridged.


49 posted on 01/01/2012 12:40:19 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Mickey Mouse along with Maggie and Jiggs were both popular porno figures in the 40’s. Everyone knew that smut was available, but it was kept in the back ally, along with French Postcards.


50 posted on 01/01/2012 11:29:27 AM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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