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US Sends Aircraft Carrier Into The Strait Of Hormuz, As Iran Beats Its Chest
TBI ^ | 12-28-2011 | Robert Johnson

Posted on 12/29/2011 7:33:48 AM PST by blam

US Sends Aircraft Carrier Into The Strait Of Hormuz, As Iran Beats Its Chest

Robert Johnson
Dec. 29, 2011, 7:56 AM

USS John C. Stennis

Iran has announced it located a U.S. aircraft carrier moving into the Strait of Hormuz during Iranian wargame exercises.

The AFP reports Commodore Mahmoud Mousavi, spokesman for the exercises, says the carrier was spotted by an Iranian reconnaissance plane that took photos and video.

A spokesperson for the U.S. Fifth Fleet confirmed the carrier is the USS John C. Stennis, a nearly 1,100 foot nuclear powered craft with unlimited range and 3 million gallons of onboard fuel for its aircraft.

USS Mobile Bay

In addition to its planes and the ships that sail in the group, the Stennis is armed with NATO RIM-7 Sea Sparrow and Rolling Air Missile (RAM) surface-to-air missile systems, the Phalanx Close-in Weapons System for cruise missile defense, and the AN/SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare System.

U.S. officials said Wednesday that the Stennis and the guided missile cruiser USS Mobile Bay slipped into the strait Tuesday after a stop at Dubai's Jebel Ali port.

The USS Mobile bay is a 570 foot Ticonderoga class cruiser that carries the Tomahawk Land Attack Missile, two Seahawk LAMPS multi-purpose helicopters, and is used for anti-submarine warfare, anti-air, and anti-surface warfare.

The Associated Press reports Iran is playing up the sighting of the carrier and boasting of the strength of its navy in the region.

Iranian naval chief Adm. Habibollah Sayyari says Iran has "control over the moves by foreign forces" and that the "foreign fleet will be warned by Iranian forces if it enters the area of the drill."

Iranian state TV showed the supposed video but details of the carrier couldn't be made

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KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; china; cvn74; hormuz; iran; navair; straitofhormuz; ussjohncstennis; war
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1 posted on 12/29/2011 7:34:00 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
None of this would be necessary if we had been drilling for our own oil on our own land. But people like Barry and his Lib,enviro fools have seen to it that we could be put in a tough spot. Watch the oil market folks. The terrible part is the enviro nuts love all this crap especially if it sends the cost of crude skyrocketing to use a Barry coined term.
2 posted on 12/29/2011 7:37:02 AM PST by mk2000
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To: blam

Big ol radar cross section but still awesome to look at. I never did tire of looking at ships and planes while in and still enjoy seeing them.


3 posted on 12/29/2011 7:37:20 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: blam

I hope Obama knows what he is doing. It can’t be like his Drone moment. Can I have my Drone back. Pretty Please.


4 posted on 12/29/2011 7:39:03 AM PST by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialist States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world or Obamaville USSA.)
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To: blam

I don’t think that’s very smart at all.

Back in my day—you know, wooden ships and iron men—they wouldn’t send a carrier in there because those waters are far too restricted. Of course, that was when Ronaldus Magnus was president.

I have an uneasy sense of impending disaster. Hope I’m just being silly.


5 posted on 12/29/2011 7:39:21 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: blam

My nephew’s on the Stennis. Stay safe Kenny.


6 posted on 12/29/2011 7:41:41 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: blam

Interesting that Iran doesn’t mention the Nuclear Subs that accompany all Carriers.


7 posted on 12/29/2011 7:42:58 AM PST by RC2
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To: ncfool

I can’t get the headlines ‘President Demands Apology for Lost Carrier’ out of my head.


8 posted on 12/29/2011 7:43:56 AM PST by skeeter
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To: dsc

You’re being silly and Ronaldus Magnus sent several carriers through both the Straits of Hormuz and the line of death in the Gulf of Sidra.


9 posted on 12/29/2011 7:44:23 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: blam

SOH = rather limited maneuvering room for a US aircraft carrier and all the supporting defense forces to protect it... which used to include a second carrier group nearby

I remember the days when adults were in charge of strategic decisonmaking and the US the Navy would not take this risk for a FON show of force with an unstable dictator backed by the Russians and the Chinese

Let’s hope the Iranians play nice


10 posted on 12/29/2011 7:44:27 AM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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To: blam

If El Presidente will just let the navy do what the navy does best, there will be a very short stare down in the Strait of Hormuz. Then maybe a little flyover of the presidential palace in Tehran by an F18 squadran.
Then things will get back to what is considered normal. But my guess is El Presidente will try to negotiate with Tehran and once again, we will come out on the short end.


11 posted on 12/29/2011 7:45:34 AM PST by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: dsc

It’s a dumb move if Obama is actually thinking of naval action, but if he’s just showing the flag and expects no violence it’s SOP. But if he’s contemplating action, and he might be, given the positive effect it would have on his poll numbers, then you keep the CV at arm’s length. Its great strength is its standoff ability. During Operation Preying Mantis, the Navy kept its CV in the Arabian Sea and sent its DDGs into the Gulf to do battle. I cannot believe th Iranian military doesn’t remember what a FUBAR they experienced at the hands of the USN.


12 posted on 12/29/2011 7:45:57 AM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: silverleaf

Seems to me the carrier really doesn’t need to be within 300 miles of the Strait if damage is her intention.


13 posted on 12/29/2011 7:47:21 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Gimme that old time fossil fuel.)
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To: dsc

great minds think alike

Ad I recall, carriers didnt go into these waters until after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait - when that happened the Navy changed its SOP so as to not the let USAF jocks have all the joy


14 posted on 12/29/2011 7:48:13 AM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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To: dsc
"Back in my day—you know, wooden ships and iron men—they wouldn’t send a carrier in there because those waters are far too restricted. Of course, that was when Ronaldus Magnus was president. "

I agree...too restrictive.

Also, I don't believe that much of the oil for the USA goes through this strait anymore.

We're doing this mainly for the rest of the (ungrateful) world.

15 posted on 12/29/2011 7:49:11 AM PST by blam
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I was on the USS Truett at the time we went below the LOD.


16 posted on 12/29/2011 7:50:43 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“You’re being silly and Ronaldus Magnus sent several carriers through both the Straits of Hormuz and the line of death in the Gulf of Sidra.”

The difference is, Reagan would have pulled the trigger and the world knew it. I don’t think the world believes Obama would pull the trigger; that would not be sufficiently “nuanced.” If you’re not prepared to use it, don’t risk it.

We’re asking for disaster here because the Rules of Engagement would need to let the Navy react instantly to whatever happens or to any perceived threat. That may mean shooting down an “unarmed” reconnaissance plane. Can anybody believe the ROI say anything other than, “If something happens, call the White House?”


17 posted on 12/29/2011 7:52:20 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: dsc

You are exactly right. It is shooting fish in a bucket. We know that we have a plan and I would bet it involves more than the 5th fleet.


18 posted on 12/29/2011 7:52:25 AM PST by mmanager (Reagan Revolution + Republican Revolution = Bury Obama in 2012 - Go Newt!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I believe the navy kept the CVs out of the Gulf during Preying Mantis, and simply launched their aircraft. The Gulf of Sidra was a different story as it involved a challenge over the definition of international waters and the Gulf itself was merely an extension of the Med and was not, as the Persian Gulf is, a confined body of water, only narrowly connected to the Arabian Sea.


19 posted on 12/29/2011 7:54:10 AM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: mk2000

For the last 30 years, every single president and most of congress has worked to make America ‘interdependent’ instead of independent.

When we are interdependent,our economy can be looted in the name of globalism by the globalist thugs running our government.

Oil is just one cog in the gear of interdependence.


20 posted on 12/29/2011 7:55:30 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: blam

FWIW I don’t think Zero gets on the phone and tells the Navy to send a carrier into this body of water or that body of water.

I’m sure that the way it works is that the services and the Joint Chiefs prepare certain options and certain recommendations and the president may or may not sign off of them depending on their importance.

Point being that if the ship is in the SOH it’s because the Navy itself worked out a plan to do this - not because Zero thought it up on the golf course.


21 posted on 12/29/2011 7:59:41 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: ncfool
I hope Obama knows what he is doing.

The most unqualified occupant of the White House in history. A metrosexual, who has to be dragged in off the golf course to witness the take down of Bin Laden. A person with no record of accomplishment - in his life. A person who votes "Present" or doesn't vote at all to avoid taking a stand on an issue.

I have no hope Obama even knows what the right decision is, much less that he will make a decision at all. That puts our military in harms way waiting on the procrastinator in chief.

22 posted on 12/29/2011 8:03:51 AM PST by OrioleFan
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To: RC2
Interesting that Iran doesn’t mention the Nuclear Subs that accompany all Carriers.

A single boomer, like the USS ALASKA, travels alone and could turn the entire 75,000,000 mooselimb persians into statues of glass.

It does require the political will to issue the correct order.

23 posted on 12/29/2011 8:07:15 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: blam
"I don't believe that much of the oil for the USA goes through this strait anymore."

That is correct, but removal of oil coming through the Gulf reduces world supply, thus impacting price in the US even though direct shipments do not come from there.

Also I agree with others about operating the carrier in narrow quarters. Technology can be defeated by assymetrical tactics, and Iran appears more than willing to use them.

24 posted on 12/29/2011 8:13:44 AM PST by buckalfa (Confused and Bewildered With a Glass Half Empty)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
I beg to disagree

Obama handlers call Panetta and order him to send a gun to the knife fight, because potus is being taunted by Iran and needs to look “strong and decisive”, even as he further emboldens our enemies and drains the energy out of our presence and image in the region by his ordered retreat from Iraq

for this guy, military strategy - and everything else- is pinned to his poll numbers

It has never been so egregious risky and antithetical to our national interests as with this naive inexperienced immature group of anti-American apologists who see the US military as toys they can wield. This started big time with Clinton and Cohen, now it is nuke-war dangerous

Witness the childish joy of barry reveling in his overuse of Air Force 1

25 posted on 12/29/2011 8:14:00 AM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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To: USS Alaska
Interesting that Iran doesn’t mention the Nuclear Subs that accompany all Carriers.

I saw some footage on CNN yesterday that showed what I think was one of the new German AIP littoral subs. Does someone have one of these in the area or did they just grab some file footage to flesh out the story?

26 posted on 12/29/2011 8:14:57 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: USS Alaska
It does require the political will to issue the correct order.

I wonder who would be more likely to reduce a nation to a glass parking lot?

A spinless wimp, or a thoughtful conservative? Barney Fife or Andy Taylor?

27 posted on 12/29/2011 8:16:07 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: USS Alaska
It does require the political will to issue the correct order.

I wonder who would be more likely to reduce a nation to a glass parking lot?

A spinless wimp, or a thoughtful conservative? Barney Fife or Andy Taylor?

28 posted on 12/29/2011 8:16:15 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: RC2
They probably haven't detected them.....and won't.
29 posted on 12/29/2011 8:16:26 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: mk2000

“Watch the oil market folks. The terrible part is the enviro nuts love all this crap especially if it sends the cost of crude skyrocketing to use a Barry coined term.”

Barry cannot afford the price of oil going up. Especially if Keystone gets killed when the next budget bill comes up. The fix is in with the speculators. But with an Iranian crisis in the Gulf, all bets are off.


30 posted on 12/29/2011 8:17:35 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Control the media, you control its citizens.)
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To: dsc
This is a very poorly written, incomplete article. The implication is that battle group is going to fool around in the strait and directly oppose the Iranian exercises.

What it doesn't say is that the Stennis and it's escorts were transiting the strait - headed south. They are headed out of the Persian Gulf. They are getting out of the bathtub, out where they have some "sea room" to spread out and form their protected "bubble" maybe even declare a maritime exclusion zone around the battle group etc. Bottled up in the gulf, yes the Stennis would be hard pressed just defending the group. With room to maneuver she is a genuine threat that can take the offensive.

31 posted on 12/29/2011 8:18:12 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: blam

Gee when the Shiite hits the fan in the Gulf I hope it doesn’t interrupt Obama’s vacation...I suppose he could finish his hole of golf before delivering his capitulation speech.


32 posted on 12/29/2011 8:18:54 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Tupelo

“But my guess is El Presidente will try to negotiate with Tehran and once again, we will come out on the short end.”

Unconditionally, I might add.


33 posted on 12/29/2011 8:19:37 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Control the media, you control its citizens.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

I agree with your “Interdependent” assessment... however, I think it goes far deeper than this... If we are interdependent, then we have to have force projection, in other words, we are not an independent nation with sufficient offensive capability to not go on the defensive, but we have in fact become the “Worlds Policeman”... and that is something we have no business being..


34 posted on 12/29/2011 8:21:02 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: blam

I’m just wondering if this is exactly what the Iranians want us to do. And whether it gives cover to Bammy to do it.


35 posted on 12/29/2011 8:21:56 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: xkaydet65

“It’s a dumb move if Obama is actually thinking of naval action, but if he’s just showing the flag and expects no violence it’s SOP. But if he’s contemplating action, and he might be, given the positive effect it would have on his poll numbers, then you keep the CV at arm’s length.”

It’s an idiotic move, period. You just pulled 100,000 troops from Iran’s doorstep. And now you are sending in a carrier group.

Hopefully, someone told the Muslim in Chief to leave some special forces behind.


36 posted on 12/29/2011 8:22:39 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Control the media, you control its citizens.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Negotiate with them.... I get it.. Can I have my Drone back! Pretty please.


37 posted on 12/29/2011 8:25:01 AM PST by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialist States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world or Obamaville USSA.)
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To: USS Alaska

Unless that sub has a very brave captain.


38 posted on 12/29/2011 8:25:49 AM PST by RC2
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To: blam
Back in 2002 the Pentagon created an wargame exercise like this, called Millenium Challenge. Playing the role of Ahmadinejad was a retired US Marine Colonel and Vietnam hero, Paul Van Riper. Van Riper was supposed to do things the normal way and get squashed. Instead, he decided to be creative. Here's how the UK paper The Guardian put it:

Van Riper had at his disposal a computer-generated flotilla of small boats and planes, many of them civilian, which he kept buzzing around the virtual Persian Gulf in circles as the game was about to get under way. As the US fleet entered the Gulf, Van Riper gave a signal - not in a radio transmission that might have been intercepted, but in a coded message broadcast from the minarets of mosques at the call to prayer. The seemingly harmless pleasure craft and propeller planes suddenly turned deadly, ramming into Blue boats and airfields along the Gulf in scores of al-Qaida-style suicide attacks. Meanwhile, Chinese Silkworm-type cruise missiles fired from some of the small boats sank the US fleet's only aircraft carrier and two marine helicopter carriers. The tactics were reminiscent of the al-Qaida attack on the USS Cole in Yemen two years ago, but the Blue fleet did not seem prepared. Sixteen ships were sunk altogether, along with thousands of marines. If it had really happened, it would have been the worst naval disaster since Pearl Harbor.

So after he routed his opponents, the Pentagon brass got together and decided the middle eastern dictator would never do that and declared a do-over. And this time, they rigged it so he had to do things their way. And of course, they routed him this time.

Will Ahmadinejad play by those rules or will he think outside the box?

39 posted on 12/29/2011 8:32:13 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“Ronaldus Magnus sent several carriers through both the Straits of Hormuz”

Funny, I don’t remember seeing them. I do remember briefings at which it was said that no carriers would be transiting the Strait of Hormuz.


40 posted on 12/29/2011 8:36:03 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: blam
The Associated Press reports Iran is playing up the sighting of the carrier and boasting of the strength of its navy in the region.So you feelin' frisky, Abdul? Go for it and see what happens next.
41 posted on 12/29/2011 8:37:02 AM PST by mikeus_maximus
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To: blam

It’s funny how the wheel of history often turns on naval paradigm shifts. Think of the Monitor and the Merrimack.

Or more to the point, the Prince of Wales and the Repulse, sent out to disrupt the Japanese attack on Singapore.

I hope we are not about to learn a painful new lesson about the limits of sea power in 2011.


42 posted on 12/29/2011 8:44:28 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: xkaydet65

“Operation Preying Mantis”

Funny, online sources say that the operation was undertaken in retaliation for this and that, but they don’t mention the Stark.

The Stark relieved us on station.


43 posted on 12/29/2011 8:44:35 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

“What it doesn’t say is that the Stennis and its escorts were transiting the strait - headed south.”

That begs the question, what were they doing in the Persian Gulf in the first place.

Getting out is a very good idea, of course, for the reasons you name and a few others.


44 posted on 12/29/2011 8:48:24 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc; silverleaf; blam; mmanager

The following US Carriers have previously operated in the Persian Gulf, past the Straits of Hormuz.

USS GEORGE WASHINGTON CVN 73
http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn73history.htm

USS ENTERPRISE CVN 65
http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn65history.htm

USS DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER CVN 69
http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn69history.htm

USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN CVN 72
http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn72history.htm

USS HARRY S. TRUMAN CVN 75
http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn75history.htm

USS CARL VINSON CVN 70
http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn70history.htm

USS RONALD REAGAN CVN 76
http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn76history.htm

USS NIMITZ CVN 68
http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn68history.htm

USS JOHN C. STENNIS CVN 74
http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn74history.htm

USS GEORGE WASHINGTON CVN 73
http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn73history.htm

Dates and corresponding events are all included in the links.


45 posted on 12/29/2011 8:54:56 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: blam
I don't believe that much of the oil for the USA goes through this strait anymore

Our petroleum imports from the Persian Gulf remain around 2 million barrels per day or about 18% of our total imports. It had been less but has crept back up.


46 posted on 12/29/2011 8:59:44 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: CrazyIvan

The Iranians have Kilos, which are not AIP.


47 posted on 12/29/2011 9:04:34 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: thackney

The amount of US imports coming through the Strait of Hormuz really isn’t relevant.

Oil is essentially fungible, so the countries that DO get a lot of oil through the Strait (Japan, etc.) would have to try to replace it with non-Gulf oil, thus vastly driving up prices for the whole world.


48 posted on 12/29/2011 9:06:11 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: blam

Forgive me from copying this from another thread, but I’m in a hurry to get off the computer. I think it’s worth mentioning again.

The mullahs running Iran’s Rev’y Guards could structure their standing orders to their thousands of mobile missile batteries so that they could not be recalled or overturned.

The Iranian leaders understand full well we would attack, disrupt or spoof their C&C, so they might have built a plan based upon sealed standing orders. “No matter what you hear on the radio after the war starts, you will open your sealed orders on day five, and obey them to your last breath, on pain of eternal damnation if you disobey them.”

Remember, the missile batteries are not under the control of prof. military, but fanatical rev. guards, spread over thousand of square miles of mountains, cliffs and ravines surrounding the straits.

If they are given sealed orders to remain in their hidden caves until day 95, eating Iranian MREs, they will do so with all the fervor of the Japs hiding on Pacific Islands into the 1950s, 60s and 70s. Then on day 95 (or any other day in their orders) they will come out and fire at any ships in range. Each battery can be given a different launch day. No orders from above will be needed, and no orders not to launch will be believed or obeyed. No recall possible.

Don’t discount this “doomsday” option. The mullahs are on record as trying to instigate a doomsday “return of the Mahdi” scenario.

Don’t assume rational Western thought processes on them, and don’t assume an Iranian war plan that can be recalled by the Iranian leadership due to Western pressure. Once begun, each missile crew might have to be dug out by troops on the ground.

Considering we were not even able to stop a single SCUD launch in Desert Storm, up to the last day of the war, I’d assume a large % of the Iranian mobile anti-ship missile batteries will be operational for months after the hostilities open.


49 posted on 12/29/2011 9:06:48 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: thackney

And the Prince of Wales and Repulse and other British battlewagons operated out of Singapore for many years before 1941, when the paradigm shifted radically against them.


50 posted on 12/29/2011 9:08:29 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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