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To: Darkwolf377
As I always heard it, you had "lace curtain Irish", poor but trying their best to be respectable, "shanty Irish", who weren't trying very hard, and "bog Irish", who were so low they didn't get within hailing distance of respectable.

The first two categories integrate into American life quite well over time (I have some of both in my background), but the last category stay brutish and nasty, no matter how much money they get and how much education they're exposed to. I think the Kennedys qualify.

32 posted on 12/31/2011 6:24:27 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

My Grandmother had similar observations about the Norwegians. There were the Dirt Hut Norwegians, the Mud Hut Norwegians (lived in a wetter climate) and the Projects Norwegians. Great Great Great Grandpa was a Herringer. He would take his dragon boat out and harpoon the wily herring. My ancestors migrated to the US because of the great opportunities here and the poor food in the Norwegian jails. My family mostly settled around bars with cheap prices.


40 posted on 12/31/2011 6:57:24 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: AnAmericanMother

Can you dilineate catholic from protestant irish in the milieu? Seems that this features prominently in current anglo-irish politics. Somehow Scotland has separated.


47 posted on 12/31/2011 7:21:58 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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