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Run Ron Run! Why a 3rd Party Run by Ron Paul could help the GOP. (Vanity)
December 31, 2011 | no dems

Posted on 12/31/2011 6:36:09 AM PST by no dems

Just read on another thread where "American Idol" winner and recording artist, Kelly Clarkson has endorsed Ron Paul (spiking her CD sales 442%). He's also liked by Barry Manilow, White Supremacists, anti-Semites, the "Occupy" protesters, the anti-war crowd, and tons of other Liberals. So, I'm thinking....

Let Ron Paul run as a Third Party candidate. He is more like Dennish Kucinich than he is Rick Santorum. There are a lot of ultra-Liberals who are very disappointed with their "Hope and Change" President, but they'd never vote for a Republican. That would give them an outlet for a "protest vote" against Obozo and would actually probably help the GOP candidate. Am I right or am I crazy? Anybody???


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I'd like your comments; but, I don't fear a Paul Third Party run at all. Now, Trump; that's a different story.
1 posted on 12/31/2011 6:36:14 AM PST by no dems
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To: no dems

You might be on to something, but I don’t know. As much as Ron Paul DOES get a lot of otherwise leftish support, I don’t know if it breaks the 50% mark or not, so it’s hard to say what would actually happen.


2 posted on 12/31/2011 6:37:36 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: no dems

Everyone always compares it to Perot/Clinton/Bush and says “It will make us lose” just because we lost in THAT case.

But I agree with you, I think it will do exactly the same thing as before, except in our favor.


3 posted on 12/31/2011 6:39:52 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: no dems
A third party run for the Presidential election would give the Presidency to Obama. I do NOT believe this to be a good idea at all!
4 posted on 12/31/2011 6:39:52 AM PST by elephant
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To: no dems
That would give them an outlet for a "protest vote" against Obozo and would actually probably help the GOP candidate.

It depends on who the republican candidate is. If it's a RINO like Romney, many disaffected conservatives might go the Ron Paul route as their own protest vote.

5 posted on 12/31/2011 6:41:19 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (A Ryan/Rubio ticket would energize the base.)
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To: no dems

Position by position, Perot was more like Kucinich than Reagan, and yet his persona won him an inordinate number of conservative votes.


6 posted on 12/31/2011 6:41:26 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: no dems

I fear a third party run by anyone (especially Paul) will guarantee Obama a second term.


7 posted on 12/31/2011 6:43:20 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: no dems

Leftists who “like” Ron Paul, like him as a Republican. In other words, they are advising us to choose him as our candidate so the nation gets a choice between Communism and Legal Weed.

If he ran against the communist, they would quickly learn that he wants to turn off entitlements and a gazillion other leftist “programs” and then the shine would wear off real fast.


8 posted on 12/31/2011 6:44:21 AM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Bryanw92

Thinking Paul will take any votes from Obama is crazy. All the leftists will vote for Obama.


9 posted on 12/31/2011 6:45:27 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: elephant

Why would it give it to Obama? I mean seriously, state your case other than flippantly calling because it happened before to our disadvantage.


10 posted on 12/31/2011 6:46:14 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: no dems

I think you’re onto something here... Deep inside - I’ve been thinking RP is polling higher because the young idealist indie’s love him, he’s cool to them or whatever. I cannot for the life of me think that a rational, conservative could even consider him as our Commander in Cheif. The Young Liberal/Anarchists/Extremist Libertarian vote will pull votes from the Dems.


11 posted on 12/31/2011 6:46:30 AM PST by nagdt ("None of my EX's live in Texas")
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To: no dems

The problem with some of Paul’s support, is some is so far left it meets the far, far right around the bend. He really plays a nasty game. I would not consider it a completely black or white issue, although my gut says people like white supremacists may not vote as much as anti-semitic leftists.


12 posted on 12/31/2011 6:48:54 AM PST by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: no dems

This is the Moronic Assertion of the Week. Anyone who that takes votes away from Obama’s GOP opponent helps to re-elect Obama.


13 posted on 12/31/2011 6:49:32 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: no dems

The sooner Ron Paul goes away....the better.


14 posted on 12/31/2011 6:50:04 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: no dems
I've never been against a 3rd party run by candidates....except for this year!

It is so important to shore up enough support to ensure an O-bozo defeat.

Now, after Republicans take control and they let us down once again.

3rd party independent conservative run would be just dandy with me.

15 posted on 12/31/2011 6:51:08 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: SumProVita

That includes even the notion of a 3rd party run....which would be absolutely ignorant.


16 posted on 12/31/2011 6:51:26 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: no dems

Ron Paul would pull 6 conservative leaning votes for every 4 liberal leaning votes. Obama is the savior of liberals, they will vote for him if it hairlips the world.


17 posted on 12/31/2011 6:53:38 AM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: no dems

I could see as many as 4 people running at this point.

Republican
Obama
Paul
and either a conservative like Gingrich or a RINO like Romney if either loses.


18 posted on 12/31/2011 6:55:13 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Gingrich/Palin 2012)
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To: no dems
a Third Party run
How soon we forget ...
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19 posted on 12/31/2011 6:59:26 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: autumnraine
You certainly don't know me and how dare you tell me that I “flippantly” said that Obama would win if there was a third party person in this Presidential run. Were you even able to vote when Ross Perot ran? Those votes that went to Ross could have gone to Bush!
20 posted on 12/31/2011 7:00:53 AM PST by elephant
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To: no dems

My impression was that Perot voters were the ones that were voting against Bush 41, but couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Clinton. Perot said enough conservative sounding things to attract them. (Not that I think he actually believed in what he was saying, way too fast a talker.)

Bush lost because he didn’t govern like the conservative we thought he was. Enough voters thought Perot was a viable alternative. If Obama is going to loose like this, then enough of his voters have to believe that he hasn’t governed like the liberal we thought he was, and Paul is a viable alternative.

Is that last statement reasonable?


21 posted on 12/31/2011 7:01:00 AM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: RockinRight

He doesn’t have to reach the 50% mark. All he has to do is drain about 3-5 percent of Obama’s vote.


22 posted on 12/31/2011 7:03:18 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: autumnraine; All

Hey, don’t forget: Had it not been for Ralph Nader being on the ballot in FL, we’d have had Al Gore for 8 years.


23 posted on 12/31/2011 7:04:29 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: no dems

I think that RP pulls from both the left and right. I tend to think a little more from the right. In a 3 way race, I see barky ultimately emerging the winner. From my perspective there is little difference; both mittens and barky are cut from the same cloth.

I also think a big problem that the gop is going to face this year is with the gunnies. This hasn’t been much discussed, but given the non-choice between Fast and Furious barky and Massachusetts gun control mittens, I think a large majority of gunnies will vote for Ron Paul in a 3 way race. Regardless of who the NRA may or may not endorse.

As for how a 3rd party run affects conservatives in general, I don’t think it hurts them any more than they’ve already been hurt. Although I do think the paleo-cons and libertarians gain some traction as a result.

In my view, this election basically ended for the worst for conservatives the day Sarah Palin decided not to run. She and maybe Herman Cain could have united conservatives under a gop ticket. It’s obvious that the gop is NOT a conservative political party, and has no intent of running conservatives under it’s banner unless it is dragged into it kicking and screaming.


24 posted on 12/31/2011 7:06:50 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: no dems

The problem is that Ron Paul would never have won a single election if he ran with an (L) behind his name and he knew it when he switched. He is a nutjob and would give 0 bummer another term which America can not afford.

I don’t like the current primary system at all. By the time Texas gets to vote in a primary, the voters in states like Iowa and NE states have already chosen the candidate. If it is RP or mittens, I won’t even take the time to vote.


25 posted on 12/31/2011 7:08:15 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

You said that if Romney is the nominee, many disaffected conservatives might go the Ron Paul route as their own protest vote. Well, those folks would stay home and not vote for Romney anyhow, so what difference would it make? There are a lot of FReepers here who say they will not vote for Romney.


26 posted on 12/31/2011 7:11:23 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

But, Conservatives learned their lesson in ‘92. By voting for Perot, they gave us Bill and Hillary for life. They won’t make that mistake again.


27 posted on 12/31/2011 7:13:03 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: Bryanw92

Yes they love paul for us but still will vote for mr obama


28 posted on 12/31/2011 7:14:04 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: RKBA Democrat
TRUTH: In my view, this election basically ended for the worst for conservatives the day Sarah Palin decided not to run.
29 posted on 12/31/2011 7:15:22 AM PST by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: no dems

Paul’s support is a mile wide and 1/16” deep. All this chatter is only meant to muck up the Republican primary process. And all these idiots will not vote for Paul in the general election. Having him run as a 3rd party is not a good idea, IMO.


30 posted on 12/31/2011 7:17:08 AM PST by bcsco
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To: no dems
I don't see any sign that the people who support Ron Paul would vote for any of the other candidates anyway. They would just stay home. I've never thought libertarians have any use for republicans other than to masquerade as when they want to run for office.
31 posted on 12/31/2011 7:17:55 AM PST by ontap
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To: no dems
But, Conservatives learned their lesson in ‘92. By voting for Perot, they gave us Bill and Hillary for life. They won’t make that mistake again.

So, how does this explain the '96 results?

32 posted on 12/31/2011 7:19:33 AM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: bigdirty

All the leftists will vote for Obama.
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I guarantee you, there will not be as many voting for him this time. I guarantee you the Black vote will not even turn out for him this time like they did last time. They won’t vote GOP, they’ll just stay in their house or the jail house or the crack house or the HO house......

I’d be willing to bet some money on what I just said.


33 posted on 12/31/2011 7:20:37 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: no dems

Third party bids have never succeeded in American politics. If the Tea Party had formed itself into a third party immediately after the 2010 elections, then we might have something to discuss.

I would applaud a third-party bid by a declared socialist, one who called for huge tax increases and limitless government benefits for all. Such a loon would draw tons of support away from Obummer while having no chance to prevail in the general election. Third parties don’t win, remember.

Ron Paul has too many good conservative points to dismiss him as a total left-wing whacko. (They keep re-electing him in Texas for a reason, ya think?) Any third-party bid by Dr. Paul, or Donald Trump for that matter, would draw more conservatives than liberals and that would give Obummer a smooth ride to re-election.

Any chance we could get Herman Cain back in the race?


34 posted on 12/31/2011 7:20:40 AM PST by DNME (A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright. - Robert Heinlein)
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To: MAexile

Ross Perot ran in 1996 as well.


35 posted on 12/31/2011 7:21:17 AM PST by elephant
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To: nagdt

Your Post #11 is excellent!


36 posted on 12/31/2011 7:22:04 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: servantboy777

[It is so important to shore up enough support to ensure an O-bozo defeat.]

Then let the rino right support a true conservative like Santorium and to hell with the liberals who fix elections so that only a liberal democrat like Romney can win. This impasse was created by those who go along to get along and follow the communist liberal left into the hell they are jumping down to.
Personally, I am sick of liberal leftist rinos fixing the primaries.


37 posted on 12/31/2011 7:23:45 AM PST by kindred (wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ ...)
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To: La Lydia

Read the article before you show your ignorance.


38 posted on 12/31/2011 7:24:21 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

In your scenario, it would be better to vote for Romney as a protest vote against Obama. Obama is the one we are trying to defeat here.


39 posted on 12/31/2011 7:25:38 AM PST by Adams (Fight on!)
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To: SumProVita

[That includes even the notion of a 3rd party run....which would be absolutely ignorant.]

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I will vote for whom I will vote for and Ron Paul and Romeny are not on my list.. The GOP is ridiculous and might as well be democrat as the Congress proves over and over and over and over and over again and again.


40 posted on 12/31/2011 7:27:32 AM PST by kindred (wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ ...)
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To: no dems
Axelrod would fund a SuperPac to make Ron Paul look like the next Ronald Reagan and split the conservative vote.

Predicting the voters reaction to a third party candidate rarely works out as planned.

Horrible idea.

41 posted on 12/31/2011 7:29:43 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: elephant
A third party run for the Presidential election would give the Presidency to Obama. I do NOT believe this to be a good idea at all!

Why not? The paulbots are never going to vote for the Republican. They are programed to vote for the most anti-American running. That would be the surrender monkey. Now if Cut and Run does not run all that support will go to the next most anti-American, Obama.
No Conservative is going to vote for someone who blames America for every problem in the world. Let Obama and Cut and Run split the anti-American vote and let the Republican candidate take the pro-American vote.
42 posted on 12/31/2011 7:31:58 AM PST by John D
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To: kindred

This is not flippant. Paul runs 3rd party, Obama is president. Period. He will pull more from the fringe right than the fringe left. Let’s face it, they are more politically astute than we are. We split our vote all the time, so now we will nominate Romney and lose. WE never learn from our past mistakes. Newt is the one that can defeat Obama. Unless Paul runs a third party, then we are screwed. Been watching this for 60 years. Bank on it.


43 posted on 12/31/2011 7:33:48 AM PST by david1313 (Newt all the way)
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To: bigdirty
Thinking Paul will take any votes from Obama is crazy. All the leftists will vote for Obama.

Not the anti-American, far leftists who think Obama is too pro-American. Cut and Run will take that away from Obama.
44 posted on 12/31/2011 7:35:44 AM PST by John D
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To: no dems

Honestly, I don’t see a RPaul 3rd party for these reasons. First, and most importantly, is the effect a 3 rd party would have on his son’s standing in the GOP. Second, RPaul is 72 and has announced that he will not seek re-election to congress.


45 posted on 12/31/2011 7:36:03 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: kindred
The two party system is indeed corrupt and perverted to keep the status quo.

Both parties along with their propaganda machine (MSM) have perfected the art of political manipulation of the American populace.

Also, our leaders for decades have ensured a dumbing down of the population by allowing millions of legal and illegal immigrants to come into this country.

The majority of which have NO allegiance to America what so ever. They become voters and cast ballots for whomever promises the most give-a-ways.

Sucking the juice of life out of our country. I believe from my heart of hearts, this has been a deliberate and intentional strategy of both parties.

If we keep fishing from the same ol pond....well you get the message.

46 posted on 12/31/2011 7:37:47 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Tennessean4Bush

It really depends on whom the GOP picks. If its Mittens maybe lots of conservatives would go Ron Paul—if its someone else—who can say? A Newt/Palin Ticket would win back conservatives. Its really all up in the air. A 3rd Party—a Tea Party—might have a better shot —but it all depends on the state of the world in early 2012. Its too early—check back in April. Lots are going to happen in the next 90 days.


47 posted on 12/31/2011 7:38:34 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: david1313; kindred; All

Except African-Americans, Hispanics (60+% or so) and White Guilters, Democrats are looking for a reason NOT to vote for Obama. Blue collar Dems, those who made up the Reagan Democrats will vote for AbO. Some will go with a 3rd party Paul but a significant would go with the Republican, a conservative Republican.
Any third party run would be closer to Anderson ‘80, than Perot ‘92.


48 posted on 12/31/2011 7:41:20 AM PST by j.argese (Newt ... the Nixon of our time ...)
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To: elephant
Were you even able to vote when Ross Perot ran? Those votes that went to Ross could have gone to Bush!

While both Perot and Paul are goofy, there is a big difference between the two. Cut and Run blames America for every problem in the world, Perot did not do that. The surrender monkey wants to destroy our military. Perot was pro military and helped it every chance he got, even with his own money.
Cut and Run would hurt Obama much more than he would hurt getting America back in order.
49 posted on 12/31/2011 7:44:01 AM PST by John D
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To: autumnraine
Rats vote for Rats, every time.The vast majority of the idiots supporting him in the primaries will vote straight Demonrat with one pull of the handle.
50 posted on 12/31/2011 7:46:09 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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