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Police kill armed 8th-grader in Texas school
CBS News ^ | January 4, 2012 | CBS/AP

Posted on 01/04/2012 1:40:07 PM PST by QT3.14

Police shot and killed an armed eighth-grader who "engaged" officers in the main hallway of his middle school on Wednesday, the South Texas school district said.

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1 posted on 01/04/2012 1:40:21 PM PST by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

Just darn. Why would a kid do that?


2 posted on 01/04/2012 1:43:08 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: QT3.14
Prayers to the officers as I am sure this will reek havoc on their psyche. And prayers to the parents. Awful all the way around
3 posted on 01/04/2012 1:44:12 PM PST by Anti-Hillary
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To: QT3.14

In reality, Brownsville is no longer Texas. Like much of the Rio Grande Valley, it’s now part of the lawless, liberal, third-world failed country known as Mexico.


4 posted on 01/04/2012 1:46:01 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: QT3.14
Brownsville is 280 miles south of San Antonio on the southern tip of Texas.

That's the PC way of saying it's on the border of Mexico and that schools have had to close in the past because of gunfire from across the border hitting buildings and cars.

Wanna bet the kid was an anchor baby? Sad but kids do what they've learned.

5 posted on 01/04/2012 1:46:19 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: QT3.14
Like Matt Dillion in "Over the Edge"


6 posted on 01/04/2012 1:46:36 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It’s a violent and dramatic age (13-14) in a very stressful environment - and it’s a locale with a lot of drugs, guns, and gangs. There are also a lot of teenage boys on powerful, prescribed, psychotropic drugs. Could be anything from “suicide by cop” to a gang initiation that blew up to a PCP flip-out to a reaction to his “medication.”

Sympathies to the family and to the officers, and may he rest in peace.


7 posted on 01/04/2012 1:48:37 PM PST by Tax-chick (Whatever happens, I'll get through it. Or die trying.)
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To: QT3.14

Brownsville police Detective J.J. Trevino says police received a call around 8 a.m. Wednesday that there was an individual with a weapon at Cummings Middle School. Police found the student with a handgun in a hallway and shot him.


8 posted on 01/04/2012 1:49:06 PM PST by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: re_nortex

“...you’re heartless”


9 posted on 01/04/2012 1:49:25 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: QT3.14

This eighth-grader stayed back once or twice, to be 15 and in Grade 8.


10 posted on 01/04/2012 1:52:20 PM PST by DBrow
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To: QT3.14

FROM: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/01/young-male-with-gun-shot-and-killed-at-texas-school-/1
Update at 3:29 p.m. ET: Besides a gun, the eighth-grader had a knife and was involved in a fight before school began, a student tells the San Antonio News-Express. Police have still not identified the dead student or said whether he had fired at officers or what kind of gun he had.

Update at 1:09 p.m. ET: KXXV TV in Waco reports, without attribution, that police told the teenager to put his weapon down, but that the student did not comply. Police shot the boy three times, KXXV TV says.

Update at 12:56 p.m. ET: The 15-year-old student died after being taken to a local hospital, KGBT TV reports.

Update at 12:45 p.m. ET: A seventh-grade student who said he was two classrooms from where the shooting took place said the school was already on lockdown when he heard three shots, the Associated Press reports.


11 posted on 01/04/2012 1:52:25 PM PST by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: QT3.14

Many prayers to the cop that had to take this kid out. Suicide by cop is relatively common but it will haunt that cop for the rest of his life.


12 posted on 01/04/2012 1:53:06 PM PST by halfright ("Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". -TJefferson)
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To: wac3rd

I am so sorry for the officer who had to make a quick decision that probably saved his life.

On the other hand, I am wondering if it is another non-American, getting numerous welfare handouts, who also hates this country.


13 posted on 01/04/2012 1:53:12 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: QT3.14

Bookmark


14 posted on 01/04/2012 1:54:48 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Tax-chick

Your reaction has been the best. This is a difficult age, and the kid in question (who was actually 15 and had been held back at least once) probably did have a lot of problems that had been ignored until things boiled over.

Very often when teenagers flip out, there have been prior problems and, in some cases, the parents have even been trying to get treatment for the kids. But because we have an insane mental health system, it’s virtually impossible to commit them or get them residential care now...until they kill somebody (or when it’s really too late and they kill themselves).


15 posted on 01/04/2012 1:57:00 PM PST by livius
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To: DBrow

Standard age for 8th grade is 13 when the school year begins, usually 14, except those with July/Aug birthdays, by the end of the year. That makes a 15-year-old one year older than “base,” although there are more kids that age, especially boys, these days, because parents are using “transitional kindergarten” and other ways of having boys start first grade when they’re older. (This provides academic and especially sports advantage for the boys.)

(/not particularly relevant school-type info)


16 posted on 01/04/2012 1:59:28 PM PST by Tax-chick (Whatever happens, I'll get through it. Or die trying.)
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To: QT3.14

bttt


17 posted on 01/04/2012 1:59:54 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: QT3.14

How terrible for all concerned-there are so many kids in recent years who have gone over the cliff that you have to think that parents really, really should be paying more attention to and spending more time with their kids-know what they do and who they see. It does sound like suicide by cop.


19 posted on 01/04/2012 2:00:17 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: An American!
Besides a gun, the eighth-grader had a knife and was involved in a fight before school began

Sorry. I don't buy this. The kid had a knife and a gun and he didn't use either during this fight before school, but later he just walked the halls with them.

ML/NJ

20 posted on 01/04/2012 2:00:42 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Blood of Tyrants

This is a crying shame. Too many kids think that guns are like they see on TV and in the movies. They think that the good guys only get knicked in the shoulder and the guys your shooting at can’t shoot straight.

Guns are serious. Pointing a gun at a cop is deadly.


21 posted on 01/04/2012 2:01:26 PM PST by elvis-lives
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To: re_nortex; bgill

Hispanic or Latino of any race in Brownsville makes up 93.19% of the population.


22 posted on 01/04/2012 2:06:08 PM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: livius

I have a teenage son with some psychological issues. He’s also insanely smart (except when compared to the next son, the space-alien), so he’s in 10th/11th grade at 15, depending on the subject ... and doesn’t go to school, thank God. All kinds of things can trigger an explosion in a less-stable teenage boy, and certainly there’s no difficulty for a boy in Brownsville in getting a gun.

It’s a very sad situation all around, and I’m just glad nobody else was killed or injured. It’s common for the teenage boys who blow up to take out a perceived enemy or a girl who ignored or broke up with them, before they’re stopped.


23 posted on 01/04/2012 2:07:01 PM PST by Tax-chick (Whatever happens, I'll get through it. Or die trying.)
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To: ml/nj

How do you know he did not go back home and get the weapons and came back looking for payback??


24 posted on 01/04/2012 2:07:20 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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aiming a weapon at a cop and squeezing off three rounds?

According to one of those nearby, only 3 rounds were heard. The kid fired 3 rounds at the cop?

25 posted on 01/04/2012 2:11:45 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: QT3.14
Brownsville is dangerous now. My aged aunt recently moved away from there for health reasons. She said there were too many of the wrong type running around.

Feel bad for the officer, but if the 15 year old had a gun at school and pointed it at an officer, he's a target.

/johnny

26 posted on 01/04/2012 2:11:54 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Baynative

Cummings Middle School is 98.7% Hispanic.

http://www.schooldigger.com/go/TX/schools/1168000648/school.aspx?entity=18


27 posted on 01/04/2012 2:13:17 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: QT3.14

What are the odds it was a “gunwalker” gun?


28 posted on 01/04/2012 2:14:03 PM PST by Envisioning ( Call me a racist................, one more time......................)
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To: dragnet2

I would guess the police fired 3 shots.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hUT-sFgUYU8I0mrSNZkGxcVQOZhw?docId=71adc9ca7f254783a74a5b1631972975

One boy said he heard police officers charge down the hallway and shout “put down the gun.” Then shots, three of them, most students said.

The officers shot and killed an eighth-grade student who pointed a handgun at them, Brownsville police detective J.J. Trevino told The Associated Press. The 15-year-old, whose name police and district officials didn’t immediately release, was taken to a local hospital and pronounced dead.

Investigators were trying to determine why the boy had the gun at school and whether he fired any shots, Trevino said.


29 posted on 01/04/2012 2:16:31 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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http://www.krgv.com/news/brownsville-police-say-student-shot-when-he-refused-to-drop-weapon/

BROWNSVILLE - A Brownsville middle school student is dead after he was shot by police in the hallway of Cummings Middle School on Wednesday. Investigators say the 15-year-old boy was armed and they were forced to open fire.

Officers say the 15-year-old student was pointing the gun as he walked along the hallways. Students heard police tell him to put down the weapon several times. We’re told he refused and authorities fired three times, hitting the teen in the chest.

“Officers immediately responded,” says BISD spokesperson Dru Brown.

“We all heard the gunshots,” says Cummings Middle School student Leo Hinojosa.

The victim was taken to Valley Baptist Medical Center in critical condition. Authorities confirmed he died at the hospital at 9:15 Wednesday morning.

**more at link**


30 posted on 01/04/2012 2:16:44 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: DBrow

It’s possible he came from Mexico (ie was not born here nor was he a citizen) fairly recently, with his parents, and thus was behind. I had students when I taught in TX (8+ years ago now) who had come over as older children and were woefully behind, plus didn’t speak English. Just a thought.


31 posted on 01/04/2012 2:18:35 PM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: An American!

Yep, according to that, and other reports, the kid never fired his weapon.


32 posted on 01/04/2012 2:18:57 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Texan5

In the late 1970s, the 13 year old son of LBJ’s former press secretary took a gun to his junior high school in Austin and fatally shot his English teacher in front of 30 students.

The shooter was sent to a high price psychiatric hospital until he was 16 and is now an attorney in Austin.


33 posted on 01/04/2012 2:20:10 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Baynative; bgill
Hispanic or Latino of any race in Brownsville makes up 93.19% of the population.

And this map shows the sorry state of the RGV, a vast swath of Obama supporters, illegals and looting EBT types. I've been there and the Mexican flag is flown in more places than either the American or Texas flags. The reality is that Brownsville, Harligen, McAllen, Laredo and El Paso are Mexico...not Texas.


34 posted on 01/04/2012 2:21:44 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: thackney
"This is really messed up," Lozano said. "I thought they had more security."

No problem, the government will now install metal detectors, scanners, armed guards who will search and have the kids sniffed by dogs before entering public school property.

35 posted on 01/04/2012 2:22:31 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: QT3.14
I find it interesting that the ages of all the kids in the story are given except for the 15 year old 8th grader that had the gun.
36 posted on 01/04/2012 2:24:27 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: dragnet2
Yep, according to that, and other reports, the kid never fired his weapon.

He was surrounded. They couldn't have tried something just a little more sophisticated that yell "drop it" and then blow him away?

Hell why risk anything at all? Why not just evacuate the school and call in an airstrike?

But let's drop the pretense of cops having anything other than military training or intent.

37 posted on 01/04/2012 2:31:10 PM PST by Talisker ("Apology accepted, Captain Needa.")
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To: ml/nj

Gang initiation? Scaring others into giving him money?


38 posted on 01/04/2012 2:33:49 PM PST by tbw2
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To: ml/nj

Likely he got into the fight, left the school, and returned with the weapons with the intent of getting revenge.


39 posted on 01/04/2012 2:36:36 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: QT3.14
Don't take your guns to town son
Leave your guns at home Bill
Don't take your guns to town

- Johnny Cash

40 posted on 01/04/2012 2:45:47 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: QT3.14
Prayers for all is right!

This just breaks my heart!
41 posted on 01/04/2012 2:53:30 PM PST by AKA Elena (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: Talisker

“But let’s drop the pretense of cops having anything other than military training or intent.”

Having been an eyewitness to a similar situation (perp with a gun confronted by multiple cops) I can say the “drop the gun” is just a pro forma statement before the cops start blasting away. The kid had about a second to drop it before they started firing.


42 posted on 01/04/2012 2:54:48 PM PST by lodi90
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To: QT3.14
When I clicked on the link you provided, I found this little gem:

Boy throws rocks at cars, shot by crossbow

Just thought I'd share.

43 posted on 01/04/2012 2:56:47 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Bubba_Leroy

I barely remember hearing anything like that, but before ever-present cameras and cell phones, enough money could shut things like that up and whisk them under the radar. Several of my family members are reluctant residents of Austin due to their jobs-nothi8ng in Austin surprises...


44 posted on 01/04/2012 2:58:00 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

Oops! “Nothing”


45 posted on 01/04/2012 2:58:57 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: QT3.14

Without going to the SeeBS website, let me make a guess: the eighth grader was 14-15 years old, adult sized and raised in the thug culture.


46 posted on 01/04/2012 3:03:55 PM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: QT3.14

I bet it was one of Eric Holder’s “Fast and Furious” handguns! Next kid will probably bring an AK to hose them down.


47 posted on 01/04/2012 3:05:38 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: dragnet2
Yep, according to that, and other reports, the kid never fired his weapon.

If the kid had the gun in a position to fire, should he have been allowed to shoot first?.....Just asking since the article never said.

48 posted on 01/04/2012 3:06:08 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Naugahyde is no longer available due to the Naugas being hunted to extinction.....)
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To: Talisker

Only a fool doesn’t shoot to kill the instant someone points a gun at them.


49 posted on 01/04/2012 3:08:26 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Talisker
The police responded to a call that someone was in the halls with a firearm.

They went to the school, searched the halls and came across this kid with a hand gun.

The reports I have heard say that they instructed him clearly to put the wepaon down, but that he did not and instead, that he pointed the weapon at them.

In that case, the officers did exactly as they should. You do not wait for someone to bring the gun all the way up and squeeze off a round or more at you and your fellow officers.

Deadly intent is presumed when someone begins to raise a firearm and point it at you. To do otherwise means you might be the one who gets shot.

If this is the case, the police acted appropriately and tragically, the young man was killed. But he was the one in the wrong and representing a deadly threat to others. IMHO, it would have been more tragic for a policee officer, perhaps with wife and kids to be killed, or another innocent student to be killed.

50 posted on 01/04/2012 3:12:46 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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