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Death of Utah Cop Unlikely to Change Future Drug Raids (UT)
opposingviews.com ^ | 11 January, 2012 | Lucy Steigerwald

Posted on 01/12/2012 7:07:23 AM PST by marktwain

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The use of SWAT teams has become far too common.
1 posted on 01/12/2012 7:07:35 AM PST by marktwain
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He said law enforcement officials should focus more on attempting to lure suspects out into the open or simply “wait them out.”

Excepting eminent risk and endangerment to someone (i.e.: a hostage situation, an active shooter, or some one with a bomb/chemical weapon) there is NEVER a need for civilian law enforcement to conduct a dynamic entry.

2 posted on 01/12/2012 7:17:25 AM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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I vote for using predator drones.


3 posted on 01/12/2012 7:18:54 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (The thing that counts is not what we could do, but what we actually do. -- Leo Spears)
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Yep, it has.

When the U.S. Department of Education has SWAT Teams, something is seriously wrong. SERIOUSLY WRONG!

And then there is the fiasco in Tucson with the X-Marine. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Sheriff Dupnik (Dipstick) should be held accountable for that.


4 posted on 01/12/2012 7:18:54 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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Next door neighbor was a DC detective. He got shot on a drug raid USING THE OLD RULES.

He was the first guy to the door ~ with the warrant!

He knocked. He called out. He pushed the door which was unlocked and unlatched and as he stepped in a woman behind the door grabbed his pistol and managed to shoot his trigger finger.

DC changed its rules of engagement after that ~

5 posted on 01/12/2012 7:24:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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"There was a device that was fashioned in a way that concerned those who found it that there were materials that could have been used as a bomb,"

BAM you're dead! (or at least the dog)

6 posted on 01/12/2012 7:28:04 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona)
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so...how big was this “grow operation”?

A couple years ago, the ISP and the locals spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to stake out, fly over with thermal imaging, dig through the trash, and ultimately 50 man raid a 63 year old with a chronic bad back growing 2 little pot plants in his basement.


7 posted on 01/12/2012 7:36:05 AM PST by digger48
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I’m still waiting to see where each of the bullets pulled from these cops came from.


8 posted on 01/12/2012 7:37:25 AM PST by Mr.Unique (Very generic, non-offensive, tagline.)
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Federal grant money has armed small town police departments and sheriffs with body armor, weapons and paramilitary training that encourages wreckless and excessive action.

There is no imminent danger from a drug dealer’s house, so there is no reason to rush into an unknown and potentially dangerous situation - unless the goal is to kill the suspect (using SWAT team toys), bystanders or risk law enforcement lives in the process.


9 posted on 01/12/2012 7:37:54 AM PST by sbMKE
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Here’s what you do.

You call the guy on the phone and tell him there’s a problem with his car registration or something, can you please come over the to the police station to discuss it. Most guys who want to keep a low profile and avoid trouble with the police will come right in.

You survey his house and make sure it is empty while he is over at the police station. Then you then have a detective slip in the back door and quietly search the place. When the detective is finished, then he calls the police station and tells them that they can tell the guy everything is OK, he can go now.


10 posted on 01/12/2012 7:46:28 AM PST by proxy_user
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This was a ‘knock and enter’ warrant. I no longer live in Utah, but I think the law requires he be present for the police to enter.

That said, just stop him a block from the house, hand him the warrant and walk him back to the house.

But then it would be hard to justifiy all the money spent on all the cool toys.


11 posted on 01/12/2012 7:57:59 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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So it’s a BAD thing to shoot masked men with guns when they kick in your door?


12 posted on 01/12/2012 8:14:16 AM PST by Grunthor (I am a conservative, neither half of the one party represents my views.)
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But did they shoot his dog? Please tell me they SHOT HIS DOG! It’s hardly a police raid anymore unless some jackass with a badge stomps the family poodle to death.


13 posted on 01/12/2012 8:17:05 AM PST by Grunthor (I am a conservative, neither half of the one party represents my views.)
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No expense is too great if it keeps just one libertarian off our streets.


14 posted on 01/12/2012 8:22:54 AM PST by papertyger
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they had the guns drawn and sighted on the dogs because they were barking. His girlfriend had to beg them not to shoot. Fortunately, they didn’t.


15 posted on 01/12/2012 8:23:55 AM PST by digger48
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I am so sick of these stories.

If my door ever gets kicked in I have one big honkin surprise for Mr. Jackboot, fascist, drug nazi:

a fully armored Shi-Tzu!

See how that tastes you bastards!


16 posted on 01/12/2012 8:30:29 AM PST by papertyger
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Crash my door and the Mossberg pump will be waiting. Anyone can stand in the yard and claim to be the police, particularly in a rural area.
17 posted on 01/12/2012 8:34:45 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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If I was on the jury I would vote to acquit.


18 posted on 01/12/2012 9:06:05 AM PST by em2vn
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To: sbMKE
Read my post about imminent danger.

There's ALWAYS imminent danger when delivering a warrant to a drug dealer.

19 posted on 01/12/2012 9:18:19 AM PST by muawiyah
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Police have placed preserving evidence at a higher priority than preserving lives.


20 posted on 01/12/2012 9:21:27 AM PST by Boogieman
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