Skip to comments.Live Thread: Obama On Television Asking for Sweeping Authority For Executive Branch
Posted on 01/13/2012 8:50:24 AM PST by truthkeeper
I am trying to work and listen at the same time, but is anybody else hearing this??
Obama is asking Congress to reinstate his Executive authority to streamline six agencies into one, so he could "help businesses grow, save businesses time, save businesses money."
He's making it sound like the best thing since sliced bread. News media is eating it up.
"Reform and remake our government so that it works. This should not be a partisan issue."
I have had enough Obama reforms to last me a life time.
We need a new reformer.
God deliver us from this megalomaniac before it’s too late and we lose America.
—The Constitution is very specific: the Obama’s term of office ends on Jan 20, 2012. If no successor has been elected, then the office devolves to the Speaker of the House.—
Yes, the constitution is very specific. It is also very specific about eligibility, but, there he is...
An absolute idiotic joke coming from dear leader pretending to want smaller govt—mugabe style politics in the remake. If obuttcare ever begins, people have no idea of the boondoggle monster this will be.
Kristallnacht as a turning point
Kristallnacht changed the nature of persecution from economic, political, and social to the physical with beatings, incarceration, and murder; the event is often referred to as the beginning of the Holocaust. In the words of historian Max Rein in 1988, "Kristallnacht came and everything was changed."
“Liberal-fascism” seems pretty relevant more than the old fashion totalitarianism .
The new one is probably more dangerous. It is for your good, for the people...believe in Him like J.Christ...
—Only this one will target conservatives and, yes, perhaps also Jews and evangelical Christians.—
History repeats, but never exactly the same. The Jews were notoriously passive. In the US, the conservatives are the citizens with most of the guns and the training and will to use them.
It would NOT be pretty.
Obama wants authority to do whatever he wants, and Congress has to veto him if congress doesn’t like it. Not the other way around.
What this means is that Obama is incapable of putting together a plan that he can sell to Congress on the merits.
This never gets old:
This is the same phony who has over 35+++ CZARS who are accountable to no one other than him?
He just added another couple of ‘agencies’ within the past month??
I don’t trust a word he says.
Every single member of his Administration is more skilled at lying than anything else. Including his Boxcar Butt ‘wife’.
You’re not overreacting. Scary does not even begin to describe this plan to consolidate and centralize all power in him.
In addition, the choice of agencies to be done away with is pretty strange.
I think the Commerce Dept. is one of the few that have resisted Barry, or at any rate, whose data he has not been able to corrupt and manipulate. And, of course, it handles the census.
Sadly,You hit the nail on the head.NC is picking up dem momentum and Obama has voter ID fraud.
I know this poll place leans left but look at this
True, but that has been swept under the rug. An actual coup I don’t think could be so much.
All the States have to say is no. Either recognize the Speaker as President or ‘disrecognize’ Zero’s govt as illegitimate, i.e. no one has to send them tax money, among other things.
Exactly what agencies is he wanting to combine? If he’s wanting to combine the CIA, FBI, ATF and all those other ABC agencies into one, I smell the American version of the Gestapo and SD.
—i.e. no one has to send them tax money, among other things.—
I thought it was the fedgov that sent it back to the states and threatens to withhold it if they don’t play ball.
Yeah, that is why Montana ended up with a 55 mph speed limit with a five dollar (not on your record) speeding ticket. The FedGov was withholding funds.
I stated early in 2009 that I had concerns about whether there would be an election in 2012. After the Tea Party stormed the gates in 2010 I felt better about the direction we were heading but I am now back to my original theory. I believe there will be some kind of financial/international crisis or a major civil unrest (Occupy anyone?) which will necessitate the “temporary” suspension of many of our freedoms and rights.
More and more people, who once scoffed at my views, are staring to see that it’s tipping from unthinkable to possible....we haven’t hit probable yet but this summer should be very interesting!
If he gets the new fast-track power to propose legislation, Obama's first project would be to combine six major operations of the government that focus on business and trade.
They are: the Commerce Department's core business and trade functions; the Small Business Administration; the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative; the Export-Import Bank; the Overseas Private Investment Corporation; and the Trade and Development Agency. The goal would be one agency designed to help businesses thrive.
When I think of all the money they’ve stolen thus far, I think they took their funding for anything they want to do already making Congress almost irrelevant. Between this guy as POTUS, his E.O.’s, and his own stash of cash, his command of the military, it looks as though there isn’t much anybody can do about that wee birdie he is flashing in our faces.
Obama has been shredding the Constitution with increasing regularity. Boehner huffs and puffs, then devolves into tears and bends over. Why would you assume that someone in the GOP will suddenly stand up and demand that the President actually follow the laws of the land?
From another thread:
“The White House says 1,000 to 2,000 jobs would be cut, but the administration would do so through attrition; that is, as people routinely leave their jobs over time.
The administration said the merger would save $3 billion over 10 years by getting rid of duplicative overhead costs, human resources divisions and programs.”
In otherwards, bumpkis. He’s just consolidating his own power, not streamlining.
Of course he is starting with the SBA. It is fascism. You want to start a business...watch ...you have to get permission from the SBA by summer. You have to run it like they tell you, hire who they tell you, pay what they tell you or you won’t be able to get any business loan from the banks or grants to start-up. Watch.
Right and this is not a smart and fair game/challenge between gentlemen/women but a tough fight against agressive and cynical liars.
Defend your lives and faith ! Occupy the occupiers in the WH
That's all he's ever done and the speeple bow and continue giving him praise.
—More and more people, who once scoffed at my views, are staring to see that its tipping from unthinkable to possible....—
Same thing is happening with me. I was a REAL nutcase in 2006. ;)
It is a job for God!
When I think of all the wonderful FReepers who have died suddenly this month....it shakes my faith.
Why does God take the good ones and leave the rotten ones?
The House is where Articles of Impeachment originate. Where is the GOP? I know the Senate will not convict put what the hey - put him in the history books as being IMPEACHED.
Couldn’t see that on coming.
People forget that the NAZI’s (as well as the fascist in Italy) rose to power not because of a social or nationalistic agenda, but because of their ECONOMIC agenda.
All the other stuff (the racism, ultra-nationalism, and war) emerged later (after it was too late for the people to realize who they had put in power). The original reason the NAZIs came to power was pure economics.
Especially on Friday the 13th!
“Reform and remake our government so that it works. This should not be a partisan issue.”
I just called Senator Ron Johnson’s office and left a message with my name and # with his aide. I told her I just heard President Obama’s request for Congress to give him the power to consolidate government authorities. I asked her to urge the Senator to vote AGAINST this obvious power grab and attempt to make the Congress and eventually the Supreme Court obsolete so he can be a dictator.
I urge everyone to contact their Congressmen and Senators and to tell them you expect them to VOTE NO AGAINST giving Obama the authority to become dictator-in-chief
I’ve got a group of middle-schoolers who are going to be researching with me how the Holocaust was able to be tolerated by the German people. I gave them some preliminary questions to help them organize the issue in their minds:
How was the system supposed to protect from this happening?
Why didn’t the system work to prevent this?
Did the people know it was happening?
I’ve been looking up Holocaust timelines so they can get abreast of the facts, and the thing that stands out is the role of the Reichstag Fire to get Hitler’s foot in the door so he could make the LEGAL/systemic changes that consolidated all power for him.
And now what you’re bringing out is Kristallnacht turning the propaganda into physical results against the targeted group.
What we’re seeing in this country is staggering. At some point these Congress-critters have to sue Obama in court so that his power grabs are ruled to be unconstitutional. If that doesn’t happen, then our system will have failed to protect us just like Germany’s system did. The German system failed because the people within it refused to fight. And we’ve got namby-pambies in Congress who still want to pretend this is about “reaching across the aisle”.
This is a full-out power grab by a tyrant, and if we don’t find somebody who will stand up to it so the system can protect us like it’s supposed to, this country is going to be torn limb from limb by the consolidated power of Obama’s handlers.
ping, if you haven’t seen this yet.
I believe there will be some kind of financial/international crisis or a major civil unrest (Occupy anyone?) which will necessitate the temporary suspension of many of our freedoms and rights.
I totally agree with you-something is brewing.
Control who can buy and sell. It makes sense now. That’s straight from the description of the beasts of Revelation. The consolidated powers lead to the mark of the beast, without which nobody can buy or sell.
Ungh! He’s RHYMING in his speeches now? I think I am going to PUKE.
This is Hitler's speech to the German congress for that act. It is similar to Obama's speech.
"By its decision to carry out the political and moral cleansing of our public life, the Government is creating and securing the conditions for a really deep and inner religious life. The advantages for the individual which may be derived from compromises with atheistic organizations do not compare in any way with the consequences which are visible in the destruction of our common religious and ethical values. The national Government sees in both Christian denominations the most important factor for the maintenance of our society. It will observe the agreements drawn up between the Churches and the provinces; their rights will not be touched. The Government, however, hopes and expects that the task of national and ethical renewal of our people, which it has set itself, will receive the same respect by the other side. The Government will treat all other denominations with objective and impartial justice. It cannot, however, tolerate allowing membership of a certain denomination or of a certain race being used as a release from all common legal obligations, or as a blank cheque for unpunishable behavior, or for the toleration of crimes. [The national Government will allow and confirm to the Christian denominations the enjoyment of their due influence in schools and education.] And it will be concerned for the sincere cooperation between Church and State. The struggle against the materialistic ideology and for the erection of a true people's community (Volksgemeinschaft) serves as much the interests of the German nation as of our Christian faith. ...The national Government, seeing in Christianity the unshakable foundation of the moral and ethical life of our people, attaches utmost importance to the cultivation and maintenance of the friendliest relations with the Holy See. ...The rights of the churches will not be curtailed; their position in relation to the State will not be changed."
the Commerce Department’s core business and trade functions;
the Small Business Administration;
the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative;
the Export-Import Bank;
the Overseas Private Investment Corporation;
and the Trade and Development Agency.
Followed immediately by a Reichstag Fire Event and declaration of martial law.
I’ve been saying all along that he is the reincarnation of Julius Caesar.
“To Caesar the art of government meant the promotion of any measure, however inconsistent with his previous or even present professions, that promised to advance the next in his plans; his only long-range objective which can be definitely identified was the enhancement of his power. For this he indulged in a lifetime of double talk, professing slogans of democracy, while debasing and destroying the powers of the electorate, and insisting on constitutional technicalities, while persistently undermining the constitution.” ~ Death of a Republic: Politics and Political Thought at Rome 59-44 B.C.
Let’s forget Hitler and Caesar for a second and be serious. What effect will this have? Probably none at all. It will simply be a shuffling of the seats on the deck of the sinking Titanic.
He’s trying to trick people into thinking he’s a “small government” guy. I’m sure 99% of posters here know that’s a bunch of bullspit. There are those independent voters, though, who will look at it and say...well...that’s the guy I voted for originally...maybe he’s not so bad after all.
Trust me. This is all in a playbook by Mr. Axelrod to make him look like he’s trying to retract government. Unfortunately, a lot of the lemmings will fall for it.
He’ll probably get what he wants.
Now why don’t you racists shut the hell up and pay your taxes? Your government is broke.
Some one, any one, needs to stand up to Obama! (Come on Sarah.)
I totally agree with you. It’s not worth the spike in my blood pressure to watch the moron!
Mrs. Prince of Space
Wow. Hitler asked Hindenburg to get rid of the Reichstag, then 6 days before the election for the Reichstag the building was set on fire and Hitler blamed the Communists. The Reichstag gave Hitler emergency powers (ala Patriot Act or Defense Authorization Bill), which he then used to arrest the Communists, who were one of the 2 groups resisting his power (Tea Party/conservatives?).
Hitler then had less resistance to his agenda to get rid of the Reichstag and proposed “The Enabling Act” which would allow Hitler’s own cabinet to make laws without the Reichstag - including even laws that opposed the Constitution. Because it was an unconstitutional law it was basically a Constitutional amendment and required a 2/3 vote (sort of like our Congress requires a 2/3 vote because of the filibuster threat). Hitler got the “centrist” vote by promising the Catholic leader of that group that he would sign an agreement to work with the Vatican - which he never did, but the promise was enough to get the votes he needed in order to grab what would otherwise be unconstitutional powers (Ben Nelson, anybody?)
The socialists were the only people who held out and voted against The Enabling Act. Hitler had the SA all over the place during the vote so the physical threat was intimidating to some.
The Reichstag chose to make themselves irrelevant and give Hitler legal cover to do what he darn well pleased - which he then did. The political opponents in the Reichstag were arrested as “terrorists” before the vote, and the squishy middle was offered vain promises of religious favors, which they swallowed hook, line, and sinker. The “It’s about the economy, stupid” Reichstag members thought it would be smart to consolidate powers because the political gridlock was damaging the economy, which was already hurting from WWI.
Does any of this sound familiar to anybody here?
It’s scary how easily a country can be overthrown.
The government desperately needs streamlining, made smaller and pruned to the quick;however, this process must not be done by the socialist President we have now.