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To: JediJones
My point on abortion was an example of how social conservatives are statists.

Gay marriage is another. In order to make it illegal everywhere is the nation, you have to make it a federal law. After all, if it's left to the states, some of ‘em will probably legalize it (MA/CA/etc). And if it's a federal law... you need the necessary federal-controlled police force capable of arresting anyone that breaks it. For if the gays are married and no one is punished, what sort of law is it, then?

Flag burning, too. Banning evolution in schools. You name it.

Every social conservative issue almost always defaults straight to the Federal level. Social conservatives cannot countenance anyone not following their views.

And since, at the most primal level, government is just brute force... by taking all their issues straight to the highest level of government in the land, they are simply stating their willingness to apply force against anyone that disagrees.

That is a quintessentially statist point of view.

Whereas the small-government, non-statist views that law and government (ie: force) should only be made and used at the lowest level possible, recognizing that not everyone wishes to exist as they do. And as long as there is no harm affecting them at the individual level, there is no need to exert force.

Furthermore, as government is brute force, you have to pay for the necessary, authorized body to actually exert it. And the more laws you have, the more people you need to enforce them. Additionally, the more people you cover under those laws also increases the number of people needed to enforce them.

Which means that statists = high taxes. And thus, since social conservatives tend to be more comfortable in a statist role... they are directly responsible for higher taxes.

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I would say to anyone that's ever said, "There ought to be a law"...

..."Are you the one paying for it?"

17 posted on 01/15/2012 9:04:28 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: normy

I forgot to include you on my post #17. Thought you might be interested in reading it.


18 posted on 01/15/2012 9:10:55 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla
Very well put and I agree completely.

Freedom has to be the ultimate goal of every Republican. Someone who wants to ban gay marriage at the federal level is no better than someone who wants to enforce it at a federal level.

Gay marriage is not marriage at all anyway, so unless you can get an Amendment to the constitution the only alternative is making it a states issue, which the constitution says it would be anyway.

the only way to seriously stop abortion is through an Amendment to the Constitution. Overturning Roe vs. Wade would only send it back to the states where it was originally because originally it was actually a medical procedure to save the life of the mother.

America isn't about what you like or dont like. It's based on freedom and when there are disagreements deal with them at the local level.

Because of States Rights, Perry and Texas can defund planned parenthood and close 12 agencies as a cost cutting measure. Because of the statist mentality on the left, they believe they have the right to withhold tax dollars from Texas for doing this. Tax dollars Texas sent in to them in the first place.

If the Republican Party doesn't start standing for freedom, and Santorum and Mitt do not stand for freedom, then we may as well just admit that the USA as it once was intended is finished for good.

20 posted on 01/15/2012 10:12:13 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: gogogodzilla
I would say to anyone that's ever said, "There ought to be a law"...

..."Are you the one paying for it?"

Nice!

22 posted on 01/15/2012 10:35:25 AM PST by thecodont
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To: gogogodzilla

You go off the deep end. I don’t believe schools should have mandatory evolution or mandatory hostility to religion. I believe that they should be able to teach whatever the people receiving the education want to learn. I don’t believe public education should be controlled on a federal level at all. In fact, I’d much prefer if education was handled entirely on a private level. This to me is the “libertarian” view.

The right to life is certainly inalienable. It is the ‘statists’ who want to define it as being a matter that is decided by a vote.

What we have seen with the Ron Paul types (not Ron Paul himself) is this hijacking of basic libertarian philosophy and mingling it with an all-pervasive godlessness. They have become what Ronald Reagan would have been if he were an atheist. They are very destructive to themselves (because they are godless), they lack patriotic principles (because they are godless), and they despise Christianity, which is the foundation of our culture and free system. A godless “conservativism” or libertarianism is fundamentally poisonous to the country as it rejects the One who guarantees the Rights we all celebrate.


24 posted on 01/16/2012 1:57:08 AM PST by Apollo5600
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