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Many consumers in the dark about dangers of CFL bulbs
Seminole County Environmental News Examiner ^ | Jan 4, 2012 | Kirk Myers

Posted on 01/15/2012 5:16:15 AM PST by Rocky

The is the first in a multi-part series of articles exposing the lies and misinformation behind legislation mandating the replacement of incandescent light bulbs with potentially unsafe compact florescent light (CFL) bulbs.

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According to provisions of legislation passed by congress in 2007, the 100-watt incandescent bulb was to be off the shelves this January, followed by a phase-out of the 75-watt version in January 2013 and the 60- and 40-watt versions in January 2014. But last month congress granted consumers a reprieve by including in its spending bill a measure delaying enforcement of the ban until the end of the 2012.

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According to Wattsworks.com, “Breaking a single CFL bulb in a room can result in mercury vapor levels 300 times in excess of what the EPA has established as safe for prolonged exposure. Serious health effects are associated with mercury exposure. Unborn and young children, elderly and those with weakened health are particularly vulnerable.”

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cflbulbs; mercury
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This is the first article in a series to be published. The second was already posted by someone else. CFLs are another example of government interference, forcing us down a path when not all of the evidence is in. To paraphrase Nancy Pelosi, we have to force everyone to use CFLs before we can find out if it's a good idea.
1 posted on 01/15/2012 5:16:20 AM PST by Rocky
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To: Rocky

Breaking a single CFL bulb

I’m surprised the sanitation union isn’t more concerned for their union workers who pickup this trash.


2 posted on 01/15/2012 5:19:09 AM PST by FES0844
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To: FES0844

We have a Democrat Administration is why they are not saying anything.If it were a Republican Administration they would be screaming like banshees.


3 posted on 01/15/2012 5:24:21 AM PST by sport
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To: FES0844

The overlords won’t be happy with the CFL bulbs until people start suffering and (in their eyes hopefully) dying from the mercury exposure.


4 posted on 01/15/2012 5:29:48 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: sport
We have a Democrat Administration is why they are not saying anything.If it were a Republican Administration they would be screaming like banshees.

I disagree. This should have been repealed instantly when the new house was elected. Instead a watered down semi-defunding. It couldn't get out of a Republican-controlled committee for months. Republicans are afraid of minorities (majorities don't seem to have an influence in them) and the enviro-whackos are just one of those feared minorities. To me this is a key indicator of "Republican-failing" leadership.

5 posted on 01/15/2012 5:35:24 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: FES0844
I’m surprised the sanitation union isn’t more concerned for their union workers who pickup this trash.

Why should the Sanitation union workers be worried? If you break a CFL bulb you are supposed to call a HAZMAT team.

6 posted on 01/15/2012 5:39:24 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: wally_bert

Awaiting another law firm commercial....if you’ve been harmed by CFL bulbs, contact so & so!


7 posted on 01/15/2012 5:40:00 AM PST by FES0844
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To: Rocky
What do the dangers of Global warming, Hydraulic fracturing, and CFL light bulbs have in common?

They are all made up hysterical exaggerations.

If you want to waste money, energy, and time, go ahead and continue to be stupid and use incandescent light bulbs. You are allowed to be ignorant in this country.

8 posted on 01/15/2012 5:43:18 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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Speaking of CFLs... I never found out who won the Grey Cup this year. :/

ff

9 posted on 01/15/2012 5:45:06 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: sport
We have a Democrat Administration is why they are not saying anything.If it were a Republican Administration they would be screaming like banshees.

....and yet it was a Republican Administration that signed the bill into law.

10 posted on 01/15/2012 5:47:45 AM PST by Roccus (The GOP is just the sandbox that conservatives are allowed to play in...............for now.)
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To: Roccus

...and another Republican, Fred Upton, (R)ino Michigan, who pushed this provision through Congress as part of George W.’s “energy” bill.

Now the asshat Upton is on the super committee in Congress.


11 posted on 01/15/2012 5:57:08 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The "Occupy Wall Street" losers should try occupying their local employment office. GET A JOB!)
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To: JohnG45; FES0844
Why should the Sanitation union workers be worried?

If you break a CFL bulb you are supposed to call a HAZMAT team

Last weekend on a local call in radio show a female called said she had a CFL "explode".

She call the poison center at a area hospital asking about the danger. The center said "We don't know but we will check it out and get back to you.

Within a short period of time the poison control center did call the woman back and tell her that she needed a HAZMAT team.

The female caller said the clean up cost was $2,300 for one bulb - one room.

12 posted on 01/15/2012 6:00:05 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Rocky

Breaking a single CFL bulb in a room can result in mercury vapor levels 300 times in excess of what the EPA has established as safe for prolonged exposure....Read that. What the EPA has established. If they established that oxygen at 1% above what they FEEL is unsafe would you go for it? Mercury is heavier than lead, it does not stay in the breathable region for a long time, and does not off gas until heated a lot more than 120 watts will heat it. This is all BS. Break all the CFLs and florescent bulbs you might run across in a ten year period and you are NOT in a dangerous situation. Our main problem should be where did government find the power to say we have to use these crappy products? Next thing (IN 20 YEARS OR SO) they will will find everyone has reduced ocular powers and mandate everyone must purchase enhanced sight goggles or something else they can make a profit on.


13 posted on 01/15/2012 6:01:38 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: All

agenda first.. Wonder how much money the insider traders in Congress made of this deal.


14 posted on 01/15/2012 6:03:18 AM PST by newnhdad
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To: faucetman

I don’t like government mandates but that’s another issue. I’m wondering why we don’t hear the same screaming about the florescent tubes that have been in use for decades.

Back in the stone age of my youth I was a garbage man for a while. We used to dump whole dumpsters full of the long tubes in the back of the garbage truck twice a week on days when we picked up at the local power company.


15 posted on 01/15/2012 6:04:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Roccus

More evidence of the Republican Party and the Socialist Party,a/k/a Democrat Party working hand in glove.


16 posted on 01/15/2012 6:05:54 AM PST by sport
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To: foreverfree
As a public service; the BC Lions took home the Cup.
17 posted on 01/15/2012 6:09:30 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Safetgiver

Glenn Beck celebrates earth day by breaking a CFL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu43-C1qZ4w

Crappy video but in this one Glenn Holds hostages with a CFL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3adKiaGHis&feature=related


18 posted on 01/15/2012 6:09:43 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: JohnG45

you are supposed to call a HAZMAT team

I’m sure a lot of people aren’t aware of that.


19 posted on 01/15/2012 6:11:33 AM PST by FES0844
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To: faucetman

Yes, we are stupid for using a light bulb that costs less than a dollar, puts out better light, and does not cause health issues when broken.


20 posted on 01/15/2012 6:25:45 AM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: faucetman
If you want to waste money, energy, and time, go ahead and continue to be stupid and use incandescent light bulbs. You are allowed to be ignorant in this country.

If you switch incandescents off when moving from room to room like I do, it might take a couple of years for me to break even by switching to the CFL bulb. I have a mixture of the regular bulbs and CFL's. I prefer to use the regular bulbs for certain applications. Take for instance a closet light bulb. You'll never recover the cost of replacing a closet bulb with a CFL bulb if your only in the closet for a few minutes a day..

21 posted on 01/15/2012 6:29:28 AM PST by EVO X
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To: Rocky

So what are we supposed to do with these bulbs when they stop working?

Right now I just throw the incandescent bulbs in the trash.

I don’t always have a lot of room in my trash can, so I sometimes put my foot in it and mash it down so I can get more in. This will probably crush the bulb if I throw it in there with the trash.

Am I supposed to drive this bulb to a special haz mat dump to get rid of it?Has one been established in every part of our country? Will I be fined if I am caught throwing one in my trash can?

More unintended consequences.


22 posted on 01/15/2012 6:38:46 AM PST by Venturer
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To: FES0844
I’m surprised the sanitation union isn’t more concerned for their union workers who pickup this trash.

When they get involved, expect a "special disposal fee" to appear. Actually, not a bad idea and it only makes sense, given the risks of expose.

However next will be enforcement, which will involve sifting through your trash for violations. Have a copy of the Rush Limbaugh newsletter in your trash? We think we found a CFL infraction - $500 fine!!!

The Federal garbage inspector will then be compelled to report the homeowner to the DHS for environmental terrorism.

No worries, you'll get out in time to meet your grandchildren...

Tongue in cheek, and yet it will probably be implemented within the first year of Obama's 2nd term.

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23 posted on 01/15/2012 6:46:42 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Venturer
"Sir, you are under arrest for a class A felony disposal of a CFL lightbulb..."

"You shot my wife, my dog..."

"...anything you have to say will be held against you in the EPA military tribunal about to convene. Do you have any surviving next of kin?"


24 posted on 01/15/2012 6:50:58 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Rocky
“Breaking a single CFL bulb in a room can result in mercury vapor levels 300 times in excess of what the EPA has established as safe for prolonged exposure.

The last nine words of the above quote are instructional. First, the EPA (containing vast amounts of political quackery) is involved, and, Second, "prolonged exposure" implies either the "gas" hangs around for a really, really long time or you are constantly breaking, on a daily basis, the very expensive and flimsy bulbs (where's the cost savings here?). I would suggest that even a brief exposure to the EPA is infinitely more dangerous.

25 posted on 01/15/2012 7:00:06 AM PST by immadashell
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To: Rocky
Just read the EPA's own recommendations for cleaning up a broken CFL Link While the EPA tries to pooh-pooh the danger saying the mercury content in a single CFL is 1/100th that of a mercury thermometer, the EPA regards mercury vapor as dangerous in even the most minute quantities. With CFLs there is no simple sweeping up the broken pieces and dumping them into the trash and this elaborate clean-up procedure is needed because of the obvious health and environmental hazard.
26 posted on 01/15/2012 7:02:47 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Rocky

The potential mercury risk is completely overblown BS.

If a bulb breaks, only 0.67 milligrams of mercury (one-third of 40 percent of the 5 milligrams in a typical CFL) might become airborne in the room during the first eight hours, and only a fraction of that would be breathed in. In short, the exposure from breaking a compact fluorescent bulb is in about the same range as the exposure from eating a can or two of tuna fish.

This isn’t politics, it’s science.


27 posted on 01/15/2012 7:10:37 AM PST by bigbob
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To: faucetman
If you want to waste money, energy, and time, go ahead and continue to be stupid and use incandescent light bulbs. You are allowed to be ignorant in this country.

If you want to spend your time bathed in depression-inducing unnatural and unfriendly light bulbs that costs a fortune, go ahead. I'll stick with the much friendlier light spectra emitted by incandescent bulbs, which don't cause nearly the same level of depression.

28 posted on 01/15/2012 7:11:02 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Rocky

Mail your broken or burnt CFLs to your Congressman.


29 posted on 01/15/2012 7:36:00 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Where's he getting these ideas? He's not smart enough to be that stupid all by himself.)
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To: faucetman

I rent a house with outdated wiring and for example can’t run the dryer while the AC is on, can’t run the microwave with the AC or dryer on, can’t run the vacuum with any of the aforementioned appliances running. So CFL bulbs work great for my needs. Lower energy consumption=less strain on the wiring.
The added bonus is not having to replace them as often.
Sucks about the mercury though.


30 posted on 01/15/2012 7:41:56 AM PST by paintriot
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To: faucetman

The dangers of CFL’s are hardly exaggerated.

Besides the known mercury content of said bulbs, there are documented cases of them catching fire.

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml11/11001.html

http://www.eveningtribune.com/newsnow/x1882979636/Compact-fluorescent-light-bulb-to-blame-for-Hornell-fire


31 posted on 01/15/2012 7:49:44 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t like government mandates but that’s another issue. I’m wondering why we don’t hear the same screaming about the florescent tubes that have been in use for decades.

Back in the stone age of my youth I was a garbage man for a while. We used to dump whole dumpsters full of the long tubes in the back of the garbage truck twice a week on days when we picked up at the local power company.


To start with those tubes were not made in China, the land of quality fade where plastic is added to baby formula and pet food ingredients, high levels of mercury and chromium are added to children's toys and dishware, and shaving quality by substituting cheaper ingredients, regardless of the consequence is a national pastime.
32 posted on 01/15/2012 8:32:09 AM PST by aldabra
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To: 2CAVTrooper
The dangers of CFL’s are hardly exaggerated.

Besides the known mercury content of said bulbs, there are documented cases of them catching fire.


Plus there's the problem of flicker from CFL's which can cause seizures, and migraines. Incandescents are used in some situations for their warmth, e.g. warming chicken coops. CFL's do not work well in the cold, and cost more to run in situations where they are only used for a short period of timetime.

Here's a novel idea, why not let us choose which type of light bulb we deem appropriate?
33 posted on 01/15/2012 8:43:03 AM PST by aldabra
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To: Caipirabob

Here is a dramatized version of the Green Police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxTNZUhesZk


34 posted on 01/15/2012 8:43:43 AM PST by DrDavid (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: aldabra

The lights still had mercury in them regardless of whether they were made in China. Same with the street lights that are still pretty common where they haven’t switched to the orange sodium vapor lights.


35 posted on 01/15/2012 8:46:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Rocky

I cant beleive the Gov would allow something so dangerous to be sold to the public . . .
Its trash people’s problem, not mine.


36 posted on 01/15/2012 8:47:19 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona)
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To: Rocky; All

Will the EPA’s “Standard Operating Procedure for Sampling of Vapor Phase Mercury” (below - ref http://www.epa.gov/greatlakes/lmmb/methods/lmsamsvp.pdf) be required to certify your room is safe for re-entry?

Volume 1, Chapter 1. SOP for Sampling of Vapor Phase Mercury
Appendix A. Facilities, Equipment and Reagents

1. Preparation of Field Supplies
- Class 100 Clean Room, Work Stations
- Clean Room Gloves
- Particle-free Wipes
- Clean Room Cap, Gown and Boots
- Milli-Q Water (18.2MÙ/cm)
- Exhaust Hood
- Acetone
- Alconox
- Polyethylene Tubs
- EM Science Tracepur and Suprapur Hydrochloric Acid
- Polytherm Water Bath (Science/Electronics)
- Baker Instra-Analyzed or EM Science Suprapur Nitric Acid
- New Polyethylene Bags
- 20 L Polyethylene Carboys

2. Sample Collection
- Mass Flow Controlled Vacuum Pump (URG, Model 3000-02M)
- Calibrated 300 cc/min. Rotameter (Matheson)
- HDPE Tubing with quick connects
- Black Latex Tubing
- Mercury Sampling Box (UMAQL, See Appendix B)
- Acid-Cleaned 47 mm Teflon Filter Holders (Savillex, PFA Labware)
- 47 mm Preheated Glass Fiber Filters (Gelman Sciences A/E)
- Acid-Cleaned Teflon Jars (Savillex, PFA Labware)
- Teflon-Coated Forceps
- ‘Blanked’ Gold-Bead Traps (UMAQL)
- Teflon Endplugs
- Trap Heater & Variable Transformer
- Acid-Cleaned Teflon Tubing
- Particle-Free Gloves
- Teflon Tape
- Sample Labels
- Field Operator Log Book
- Shipping Boxes

3. Sample Analysis
- Cold Vapor Atomic Florescence Detector (Brooks Rand, LTD.)
- Line Tamer/Conditioner (Shape Magnetronics Model PCLT 150)
- Integrator (Hewlett-Packard Model 3390A)
- Helium, Ultra High Purity Grade (99.999%)
- Mass Flow Controller (Tylan)
- Nichrome Coils (UMAQL)
- Electric Leads
- Variable Transformers (Staco Energy Products Co. Type 3PN1010)
- Cooling Fans
- Gold-Coated Glass Bead Traps (UMAQL)
- Gas Tight Syringe (Hamilton series 1800)
- Injection Port (UMAQL)
- Constant Temperature Circulating Water Bath (Fisher Model 901)
- Instrument Grade Metallic Mercury (Triple Distilled)
- Mercury Flask (UMAQL)
- Certified Immersion Thermometer (Kessler Instruments, Inc. 15041A)


37 posted on 01/15/2012 8:54:47 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: faucetman

Almost all my lights are CFLs in my home. I do this by choice not mandate. However, I sure as hell do not want the choice to use incandescent bulbs to be taken away from me or anyone else.


38 posted on 01/15/2012 9:23:23 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Safetgiver

I know it’s BS. You know it’s BS. But the enviroweenies who shoved CFLs down our throat will swallow it hook, line and sinker.


39 posted on 01/15/2012 10:15:00 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: cripplecreek
The lights still had mercury in them regardless of whether they were made in China. Same with the street lights that are still pretty common where they haven’t switched to the orange sodium vapor lights.

I'm no fan of the EPA which I'm certain exaggerates the risk. However I neglected to specify some additional points.

Because of no/poor quality control no one knows how much mercury vapor is in CLF's and they may well be much more fragile than the old tubes. In my experience as China corners the market on any product, quality greatly deteriorates.

Exposure to broken tubes you handled in the past, and outdoor street lights lights would have disipated fairly rapidly. The vapor in our hermetically sealed, green energy efficient homes is a different matter.
40 posted on 01/15/2012 10:58:15 AM PST by aldabra
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To: FES0844
Sooner or later we'll see an organized orchestrated effort, similar to flash mobs, that will simultaneously break CFL bulbs at thousands of different locations throughout America and then each will call for HAZMAT teams to cleanup.

An event as I describe would surely draw attantion to the whole CFL scam and scenario.

41 posted on 01/15/2012 11:24:47 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: TYVets
That sounds like a crock story.

The cfl bulbs have about 4-6 mg of mercury in them.

The old mercury thermometers had 500mg in them and you shoved them in your mouth.

Risk of a single bulb is next to nothing.

Risk of 100m in a landfill is something else.

No local hospitals have a poison center.

There is usually 1 poison center per state.. Some of the population dense states have more.

Lady got screwed on the clean up cost..Used car salesman type saw her a mile away and rooked her for all she was worth.

42 posted on 01/15/2012 1:15:10 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Yep,

It’s always a good idea to check snopes before one repeats a story.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp


43 posted on 01/15/2012 2:56:42 PM PST by dmcnash (y)
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To: DrDavid

I remember that one - prophetic...


44 posted on 01/15/2012 4:15:06 PM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: dmcnash

It’s the new alar on apples.


45 posted on 01/15/2012 5:33:31 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

What are we supposed to do with this list?


46 posted on 01/15/2012 5:42:24 PM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: wally_bert
The overlords won’t be happy with the CFL bulbs until people start suffering and (in their eyes hopefully) dying from the mercury exposure.

I doubt that many people will be dropping over dead from mercury exposure as a result of these bulbs.

But we don't really know what the overall impact will be. People will certainly not follow the recommended procedure for handling or disposing of broken bulbs, or of burned-out bulbs. It seem irresponsible to require that everyone use these bulbs until more is known.

The second article in the series addresses performance of the bulbs.

47 posted on 01/15/2012 5:54:45 PM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: TASMANIANRED
That sounds like a crock story.

The Poison Control Center was in a local hospital years ago (my bad) there is Poison Control Center listed with a local address and there are more than one Poison Control Centers in the state.

With clean up, removing hazardous materials or possible hazardous equipment according to EPA regulations it is a "license to steal". All contractors who can do this type work are expensive and finding one that is honest can be difficult.

Over the years I have known several used car sales persons who were very honest. I would not hesitate to purchase a used vehicle from them.

The odds that the woman in question got taken are at least 10 to 1 against her if not greater..

Satisfying EPA regulations is a license to steal all too often.

48 posted on 01/15/2012 6:13:32 PM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Rocky

Everybody should file it away for future reference. You’ll need it for taking air samples to certify your room is safe after cleanup.


49 posted on 01/15/2012 7:56:19 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: TYVets

Years ago there were many many poison centers they have consolidated massively.

There are only 57 in the US currently.


50 posted on 01/15/2012 10:37:27 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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