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Romney Used Polls to Determine His 1994 Abortion Position
LifeSiteNews ^ | 1/13/12 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 01/15/2012 12:22:32 PM PST by wagglebee

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It is obvious to anyone with a bit of sense that Myth is totally pro-abortion, but will say whatever he thinks people want to hear to win an election.
1 posted on 01/15/2012 12:22:34 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 01/15/2012 12:23:16 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 01/15/2012 12:24:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 01/15/2012 12:26:15 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Understood, but is it not encouraging that the pollsters now realize that the pro-life stand is HELPFUL to a politician?
5 posted on 01/15/2012 12:36:00 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: wagglebee

The man has no core values. No principles. No convictions. Will not fight for our traditional conservative values. He’ll take the easy way out every time. He’ll be rolled by the liberals and the courts.


6 posted on 01/15/2012 12:36:38 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: wagglebee

Ann Keenan’s brother, Loren, married Lynn Romney, Mitt’s sister, in the 1950s. Lynn Keenan died at Wyandotte General Hospital on October 7, 1963, when Mitt was just 16-years-old. Her death certificate listed the cause of death as a “criminal recent abortion.”
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So that “near and deart” relative was Williard’s sister...

I thought she was his aunt...

But yes in the 2008 debate when he was asked he did credit her death from abortion as the reason he was staunchly pro-abortion

and why he was so proud of Mon Lenore for having a pro-abortion platform when she ran for US Senate in MI in 1970

Wait...1970 ???

THREE YEARS BEFORE ROE V WADE ???

Three years BEFORE abortion was legal ???

HELLO ???


7 posted on 01/15/2012 12:39:45 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: wagglebee

I agree, and I also believe regardless of what Myth has done or is currently saying about selection of candidates for the USSC that he would just give us another fleet of David Souter types. He’s worthless. Third Party here I come.


8 posted on 01/15/2012 12:48:15 PM PST by MachIV
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To: wagglebee

I will never vote for a pro-abortion candidate - ever. Romney is one.


9 posted on 01/15/2012 12:54:08 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: wagglebee

Romney takes a lesson from the Pontius Pilate school of government.


10 posted on 01/15/2012 12:56:51 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Tennessee Nana

The Death Cert says it was Ann Keenan, his sister-in-law.


11 posted on 01/15/2012 1:06:06 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: APatientMan

Better to allow the abortion mill Obama win again. God is shaking his head at you.


12 posted on 01/15/2012 1:08:36 PM PST by macquire
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To: wagglebee
Please Pray for the Unborn
 
Let God's will be done!
 
Allow all babies
in the womb to live!
 
 

13 posted on 01/15/2012 1:09:33 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Better to allow the abortion mill Obama win again. God is shaking his head at you.

Listen Romneybot troll, there isn't a damn bit of difference between Zero and Myth.

Romney is the most liberal governor in American history, regardless of party.

14 posted on 01/15/2012 1:13:26 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Abortion is NOT a put your finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing type of issue.
ABortion is murdering a baby.


15 posted on 01/15/2012 1:16:26 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Joe Boucher
For liberals, EVERYTHING is a put your finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing issue.
16 posted on 01/15/2012 1:18:28 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson

I couldn’t agree more. He makes his decisions based on polls not on principle. He is Obama-lite.


17 posted on 01/15/2012 1:22:41 PM PST by Essie
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To: macquire

There is no “better” in either choice. Abortion is a vile sin. Support it if you want. We’ll each face God one day.


18 posted on 01/15/2012 1:23:06 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: wagglebee


19 posted on 01/15/2012 1:25:37 PM PST by maggief
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To: wagglebee

Standard S.O.P. for Myth “Shape-Shifter” Romney.


20 posted on 01/15/2012 1:51:06 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: macquire
Better to allow the abortion mill Obama win again. God is shaking his head at you.

Why do you think Myth Romney would be better on this issue?

His RomneyCare allowed for $50 abotions to be paid by his RomneyCare.
21 posted on 01/15/2012 1:52:40 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/subject/about/abortion.html

“Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words.”

Proverbs 23:9


22 posted on 01/15/2012 2:01:42 PM PST by macquire
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“Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words.”

Proverbs 23:9

Using Scripture to push an abortionist?!

That is a new low even for Romneybots.

23 posted on 01/15/2012 2:08:45 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: macquire; SoConPubbie
Romneycare! Get your $50.00 Taxpayer Subsidized Abortions Here!
24 posted on 01/15/2012 2:14:15 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I was just thinking about how I haven't been involved in a zot in more than a week.
25 posted on 01/15/2012 2:19:09 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I actually don’t count zots. But today I’m feverish, sick and grumpy. lol


26 posted on 01/15/2012 2:22:36 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: macquire

OK Wise One - Did Romney advance the abortion agenda in his state or not? Are you looking the other way to support him or not?


27 posted on 01/15/2012 2:41:48 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: APatientMan

If a rabid dog was running against Obama, I would vote for the rabies infected dog and so should you.


28 posted on 01/15/2012 2:55:05 PM PST by macquire
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Why do you think that one rabid dog is different than the other rabid dog?


29 posted on 01/15/2012 3:03:50 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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I might vote for the rabies infected dog but I would never vote for the Mittwit. The dog MIGHT be principled which is something of which no rational human being will ever accuse the Mittwit. Let the polo players and trust fund babies and Junior Leaguers and Percival Q. Snobbingtons try to elect the privileged and two-faced Mittwit in November. By then, he will be road kill.

Nor would many others here vote for the Mittwit who is no better than Obozo in white face. I held my nose and voted (only after they were nominated) for Nixon in 1968 and 1972, Ford in 1976, GHW (New World Order) Bush in 1988 and 1992, Dole in `1996, and McCain in 2008. Every one of them was a despicable excuse for a Republican and every time the rationalization forced upon us was that the Demonrat candidate was sooooo much worse and that the republic would surely cease to exist if the Demonrat were elected.

Net result: progressive chronic wasting disease has gutted the GOP (Boehner, McConnell, Cornyn, LAMAR!!!, Corker and a legion of other whores who pose as Republicans in public but have their lips on autosmooch for the backsides of every enemy our movement, our party and our country have ever had) except under Ronald Reagan and, to a lesser extent, under Dubya. No more. I am too seasoned at this point to vote for another unprincipled leftist in GOP drag. McCain retired the trophy and Mittwit will not get my vote. Nominate him at your peril. There are plenty of us who are determined never to vote for him. Third party? Maybe. Refuse to vote for POTUS? Maybe. Romney. Absolutely NEVER.

30 posted on 01/15/2012 3:23:08 PM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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I need to vote for one pro-abortion candidate so that I don’t elect another pro-abortion candidate...Is that the logic?

I’ll pass.

You sound like you’ve been taken hostage and if you don’t pay Romney off with your vote he’ll punish you with 0bama. Paying hostage takers creates an endless cycle. It’s how we got where we are.


31 posted on 01/15/2012 3:49:40 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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Putting on my anti-flame zot-proof suit...

IMHO, Romney is not a rabid pro-abortion "dog", and I'd rather you would maybe say "rabid raccoon" or something, if you're going to make an analogy to rabies, since I love my dogs, and of course they are vaccinated!!

The abortion situation in the USA has improved tremendously in the years since Roe v. Wade was originally passed. I believe the fact remains that sometimes women will make that choice, especially if they are young and ignorant. They will have it done, however they have to, and not realizing what they are doing to themselves OR to their unborn child.

I can not fault Romney OR his family for realizing that it's better for women to have a real doctor, than it is for them to go to a back-alley coat-hangar clinic, and die themselves as a result, rather than living to regret a bad choice. I would guess the "Planned Parenthood" Organization of the sixties was a much different one than the activists we have today. I can not blame them for wishing that a qualified medical doctor had been available for this sister/sister-in-law, once she made this decision, instead of whoever she went to, and also died as a result.

These back-alley people are always going to be available, no matter what laws, regulations, and restrictions are passed (remember Prohibition?) and women are always going to make this choice...what is needed is to change people's hearts and minds (to quote "W") about abortion, which America has made some good progress on, but we're not there yet.

"Safe, legal and rare" is really just a feel-good buzz-phrase, depending on who's in charge in DC and the Supreme Court, but I would just encourage you to think about what really CAN be done as we go forward, and who would continue to pursue a REAL version of "safe, legal, RARE"?? I don't think abortion will ever be completely illegal again, because too many people will not agree with that point of view, but it's a worthy goal, and you never know!

State laws continue to be passed on time limits, parental notification, etc...and a large majority of the country is against late-term abortions...BUT, unless Roe v. Wade is overturned, the only way America will become completely pro-life will be when enough people agree with this point of view to enact new laws.

Until that happens (if it ever does), I think all we can do is continue to educate our fellow citizens, and elect effective people to office who will continue to work in that direction.

Romney would be a hundred times more in the right direction than Obama.

32 posted on 01/15/2012 4:20:07 PM PST by 88keys (we had better get our act together, or Obama's re-elected...)
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IMHO, Romney is not a rabid pro-abortion "dog",

Myth is the father of the $50 taxpayer-funded abortion, it doesn't get more pro-abortion than that.

The abortion situation in the USA has improved tremendously in the years since Roe v. Wade was originally passed.

First of all, Roe v. Wade wasn't "passed," it was adjudicated.

Secondly, an American baby is killed EVERY 24 SECONDS, how do you consider that a "tremendous" improvement?

I believe the fact remains that sometimes women will make that choice, especially if they are young and ignorant. They will have it done, however they have to, and not realizing what they are doing to themselves OR to their unborn child.

And YOU support this.

I can not fault Romney OR his family for realizing that it's better for women to have a real doctor, than it is for them to go to a back-alley coat-hangar clinic, and die themselves as a result, rather than living to regret a bad choice.

And now you are spouting abortionist talking points.

I would guess the "Planned Parenthood" Organization of the sixties was a much different one than the activists we have today. I can not blame them for wishing that a qualified medical doctor had been available for this sister/sister-in-law, once she made this decision, instead of whoever she went to, and also died as a result.

The drop in abortion deaths is entirely due to modern antibiotics, legality has nothing to do with it. But, YOU seem perfectly fine that 53 MILLION babies have been murdered.

These back-alley people are always going to be available, no matter what laws, regulations, and restrictions are passed (remember Prohibition?) and women are always going to make this choice...what is needed is to change people's hearts and minds (to quote "W") about abortion, which America has made some good progress on, but we're not there yet.

Yeah, and murders will always occur regardless of the law.

"Safe, legal and rare" is really just a feel-good buzz-phrase, depending on who's in charge in DC and the Supreme Court, but I would just encourage you to think about what really CAN be done as we go forward, and who would continue to pursue a REAL version of "safe, legal, RARE"??

How has a pro-abortion troll like you made it this long?

Romney would be a hundred times more in the right direction than Obama.

There isn't a damn bit of difference between Zero and Myth.

IBTZ!

33 posted on 01/15/2012 4:34:37 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Ann Hartman Keenan is NOT the same person as Lynn Romney Keenan...either the "death certificate" link in the posted article is wrong, or the entire story is possibly inaccurate...

It would be really good if we knew what we were possibly arguing about here!

FReegards, all, and keep the faith!

34 posted on 01/15/2012 4:34:51 PM PST by 88keys (we had better get our act together, or Obama's re-elected...)
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It's an error, it was Myth's sister-in-law who died while murdering her baby.
35 posted on 01/15/2012 4:37:15 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 88keys

Nothing is zot-proof. Posting here is a privilege - not a right.


36 posted on 01/15/2012 4:38:02 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: 88keys

Excuse me, are you promoting Romney or abortion or both?


37 posted on 01/15/2012 4:41:27 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: MachIV
I also believe regardless of what Myth has done or is currently saying about selection of candidates for the USSC that he would just give us another fleet of David Souter types.

Yep. Puts to lie those who argue that we must support Myth if he's the GOP candidate because we need him for Supreme Court nominees.

38 posted on 01/15/2012 4:46:56 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: wagglebee
I am the last thing from a "pro-abortionist". I do not by any stretch necessarily SUPPORT any of the ideas/actions/policies as I tried to give as my opinion, but please be sure you are citing facts, and not your opinions/judgements on my character when you describe these policy positions!

For example, it is my opinion that women continue to elect to have abortions, but I certainly do NOT support that! And what is your source for the "every 24 seconds" statistic?

What does "IBTZ" mean?

Free Republic used to be a thoughtful and civilized forum, and never in my long life here have I ever been accused of being a troll, or "spouting" about anything. Thanks for posting, anyway, and I'm very sorry if I offended you. Best of luck on the Forum.

39 posted on 01/15/2012 4:59:12 PM PST by 88keys (we had better get our act together, or Obama's re-elected...)
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OK - I really put my foot in, and sorry to set off a hornets's nest!

I'm well aware that posting here is a privilege, and one I have had for many years now...I just didn't realize that this particular thread was so "radioactive", and I do apogize for giving a most apparently unwelcome opinion in this case.

FReegards

40 posted on 01/15/2012 5:05:40 PM PST by 88keys (we had better get our act together, or Obama's re-elected...)
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I am the last thing from a "pro-abortionist". I do not by any stretch necessarily SUPPORT any of the ideas/actions/policies as I tried to give as my opinion,

Here is the "opinion" you gave in post #32:

"Safe, legal and rare" is really just a feel-good buzz-phrase, depending on who's in charge in DC and the Supreme Court, but I would just encourage you to think about what really CAN be done as we go forward, and who would continue to pursue a REAL version of "safe, legal, RARE"??

but please be sure you are citing facts, and not your opinions/judgements

I have given NOTHING but facts, but here is a recap for you:

FACT 1. Mitt has ALWAYS been pro-abortion and to that end put $50 taxpayer-funded abortions in Romneycare.
FACT 2. More than 53 MILLION babies have been murdered in the past 39 years and another is killed EVERY 24 SECONDS.
FACT 3. "Safe and legal and rare" is a leftist phrase that YOU repeated as some sort of "goal."

For example, it is my opinion that women continue to elect to have abortions, but I certainly do NOT support that! And what is your source for the "every 24 seconds" statistic?

There are approximately 1.3 million abortions per year in the U.S. (this statistic is readily available), you can do the math for yourself.

What does "IBTZ" mean?

Keep pushing Romney and abortion and you'll find out.

Free Republic used to be a thoughtful and civilized forum, and never in my long life here have I ever been accused of being a troll,

Have you pushed abortion on here before?

41 posted on 01/15/2012 5:09:56 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 88keys
Romney would be a hundred times more in the right direction than Obama.

How is that when he has no core values and uses polls to tell him what to think?

He also praised Obamas bailouts/takeover of the auto industry.

How is that better?

Obamacare was crafted by the Romneycare blueprint. How is that better?

Do you even know who Romney is?

42 posted on 01/15/2012 5:20:33 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Excuse me, are you promoting Romney or abortion or both?"

NEITHER! Why would anyone think that?! Just because I share an opinion of what the current state of the Union is, and because I think a couple of posters are being unfair to some of the GOP candidates?

ANY of the GOP candidates would be far better than Obama, and what has happened to Free Republic?! This IS a conservative forum, right?! I AM a conservative, I have an opinion!

My apologies to all if I offended anyone...it's JMHO, and next time I'll just stay out of it. Sorry for stepping in on this thread.

43 posted on 01/15/2012 5:23:59 PM PST by 88keys (we had better get our act together, or Obama's re-elected...)
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To: 88keys

Well, I’d suggest you back way off on the safe and legal bit unless you’re truly curious about what IBTZ means.


44 posted on 01/15/2012 5:26:11 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: 88keys; Jim Robinson
I think you need some info. I see that you don't post often.

Mitt Romney is a liberal. He is not a conservative in ANY sense of the word.

The owner of FR, Jim Robinson, has said that FR will not support Romney and that posters should go elsewhere to do so.

45 posted on 01/15/2012 5:29:03 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Jim Robinson; All
THANK YOU, FRiend!!

I have not posted recently for various personal reasons, but have been a FReeper for a LONG time, with a long record of posts going back. Very obviously I've been out of touch and made a huge mistake posting anything regarding the coming election season and politics.

I certainly do NOT want to personally know what IBTZ means, unless some kind soul could just explain it, quietly, without inflicting it on me?!

If someone just wanted to post a bunny with a moon-pie on his head, or something about mooses and cheese, that would be fine, too, and thank you all!

46 posted on 01/15/2012 5:43:54 PM PST by 88keys (we had better get our act together, or Obama's re-elected...)
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To: 88keys

IBTZ means “In Before the ZOT!”

It means someone thinks you are on the verge of FR extinction, and is posting to show they know what is coming, and they were here before it happened.

IATZ is the corollary—it means “In After the ZOT!”. It means you missed the big show and the lightning strike, but not by much most likely.

Since Romney is indeed the worst candidate as he has ZERO conservative positions, is a flipflopper with no core, and is no different than Obama, supporting the Mittwit will get you the ZOT in short order.

And rightfully so. The future of America and our families are at stake.


47 posted on 01/15/2012 5:49:20 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: 88keys
It means "in before the zot".

It's probably best if you can "catch up" and read some before posting and sticking your foot in it again. :-)

48 posted on 01/15/2012 5:51:00 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: 88keys

The obit and death certificate are posted and or linked on this thread. You tell me ...


49 posted on 01/15/2012 6:10:02 PM PST by maggief
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To: maggief; 88keys

The article misstated. It was Romney’s S-i-L that died.


50 posted on 01/15/2012 6:20:09 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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