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Homeowner: Cop Shot Innocent, Orphaned Fawns in Yard
fox 9 ^ | 1-16-12 | Shelby Capacio

Posted on 01/16/2012 3:04:51 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB

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The DNR instructed that they be killed on sight. Read the article. Below is the direct quote:

"The DNR told Forest Lake police that if they spotted the animals, to kill them on sight. "That's what happened," Salo said, emphasizing that neither the DNR nor the Forest Lake police knew Carpenter or his land had a connection to the animals."

Also:

"The DNR often solicits help from law enforcement agencies because the DNR has limited staff, Salo said." http://www.twincities.com/ci_19752411

maybe they thought they were black labs. ;)

1 posted on 01/16/2012 3:04:56 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB

And the highly-trained, situationally-aware cops had absolutely no idea that people were at home at the property where they had quietly infiltrated and unleashed shotgun blasts.

I’m not asking a question - I’m making a statement. Move along.


2 posted on 01/16/2012 3:11:40 PM PST by Talisker (Apology accepted, Captain Needa.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

A Forest Lake homeowner says he is livid about an “outrageous, unnecessary ending to a great wildlife story” after a police officer came onto his property at about 7 a.m. on Saturday and shot two orphaned fawns that often slept in the dog house at close range without warning.


Personally I would like to know if a Warrant was issued that allowed the Police Officer onto the Private Property especially with the intent of discharging a firearm.

If not then I would be suing the Officer Personally and his Department as well as the DNR secondly.

If Private property rights are not vigorously defended then they will be stolen away by the state.


3 posted on 01/16/2012 3:13:05 PM PST by The Working Man (The mantra for BO's reign...."No Child Left a Dime")
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To: WOBBLY BOB
DNR Central Office
500 Lafayette Road
St. Paul, MN 55155-4040
(651) 296-6157
(888) 646-6367

(888) 646-6367

4 posted on 01/16/2012 3:14:38 PM PST by gaijin
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To: WOBBLY BOB

The cop probably mistook them for dogs. I was thinking the same thing.


5 posted on 01/16/2012 3:14:38 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: WOBBLY BOB

“The DNR told Forest Lake police that if they spotted the animals, to kill them on sight.”

“Also Sprach Der Obermensch!”

The government trough feeders are now convinced they both run the asylum AND that they have unlimited power to act out their power trip delusions.


6 posted on 01/16/2012 3:15:16 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Good God.


7 posted on 01/16/2012 3:15:16 PM PST by TheZMan (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2794639/posts)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I have only one problem with stories like this:

Whenever I ask why police don't routinely patrol my neighborhood, it's always the same reason - manpower shortage.

Yet for many things, like this story, there is always ample manpower to go around.

My own personal opinion - when murder, rape, and burglary are down to zero, I'm OK with the rest. Until then, anything else is just a waste of time - and that includes radar traps!

8 posted on 01/16/2012 3:18:42 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Gonna be a nice weekend Pooleece and Bird Sheriff cookout. Emmm, fine tender tasty fawns!


10 posted on 01/16/2012 3:20:06 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I said no such thing. :-)


11 posted on 01/16/2012 3:21:16 PM PST by Salo
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Minn DNR Budget, FY 2010:

NINE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS

12 posted on 01/16/2012 3:23:17 PM PST by gaijin
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To: WOBBLY BOB

The popo is not your friend.


13 posted on 01/16/2012 3:25:17 PM PST by Augie
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To: WOBBLY BOB

The popo is not your friend.


14 posted on 01/16/2012 3:25:52 PM PST by Augie
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Oh deer!


15 posted on 01/16/2012 3:26:49 PM PST by steveo
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To: WOBBLY BOB

“The DNR told Forest Lake police that if they spotted the animals, to kill them on sight.”

The DNR and Forest Lake police kill little Bambis? Why? What threat do they/did they present?

Then there’s the whole trespass issue and discharge of a firearm.


16 posted on 01/16/2012 3:27:19 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: gaijin

it’s like education...always “underfunded” :)


17 posted on 01/16/2012 3:28:47 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: steveo

And the above is just my knee-jerk reaction to anything involving Deer like creatures.


18 posted on 01/16/2012 3:29:33 PM PST by steveo
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To: combat_boots

seems to me there was no “exigent circumstances”.

they should have at least warned the locals, “hey, were shooting deer nearby real soon. stay inside.”


19 posted on 01/16/2012 3:31:44 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Anyone - ANYONE - who comes unannounced onto my property and starts discharging a firearm near my house will be met with overwhelming, accurate return fire.

This cop needs to be terminated and banned from ever handling firearms again for this stupid and reckless action. This will not happen because he is undoubtedly a union cop.

The homeowner is lucky that the moron with the badge didn’t shoot him too and claim that he was being threatened.

I am completely fed up with goobermint union goons who think that we are their servants. Their time is coming - and soon.


20 posted on 01/16/2012 3:32:11 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: combat_boots

did they have the chronic wasting disease?

only reason I could see to order a shoot on sight.


21 posted on 01/16/2012 3:34:20 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: WOBBLY BOB

It was just a matter of time before shooting puppies just didn’t give him the same thrill anymore, and he had to move on to cuter, more defenseless prey. Puppies are just a gateway animal!


22 posted on 01/16/2012 3:36:38 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: WOBBLY BOB
"...two orphaned fawns that often slept in the dog house at close range without warning."

How does anything sleep in a (dog) house at close range? And does one need a warning sleeping at close range?

Apparently today's journalists haven't learned elementary English sentence structure.

23 posted on 01/16/2012 3:37:20 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Augie
The popo is not your friend.

That's correct; just like the saying that parents should never strive to be their children's friend.

Why should the police be 'friends' with anyone? Police should be friendly at the correct times, but they should never be anyone's 'friend'.

Half the time police are spending that time being surrogate parents to grown adult children and their children anyway (aside from the time police spend doing steroids and dealing meth out of their trunks of course).

When police start being friends to people on a one-on-one basis you get stupid problems all around. Just like the justice system isn't your friend....it's supposed to be adversarial by design....law enforcement is part of that adversarial justice system.
24 posted on 01/16/2012 3:38:27 PM PST by brent13a (Freerepublic is a great site for conservative news, if you can stomach the cop hating.)
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To: 43north

Amen to that!


25 posted on 01/16/2012 3:41:50 PM PST by Larry R. Johnson (Power to the people!)
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To: Cobra64

when I’m in the dog house, I try to stay out of range of Mrs Wobbly.


26 posted on 01/16/2012 3:43:34 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: GladesGuru
The government trough feeders are now convinced they both run the asylum AND that they have unlimited power to act out their power trip delusions.

This is the heart of the problem, and it's heartbreaking when it comes to public attention in a story like this. But it's no less awful (maybe more) when you're going through TSA security or just trying to get an answer to a simple question at some government office.

27 posted on 01/16/2012 3:44:54 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Cobra64

Brilliant post.

Sleeping fawns
Dog house
House
Distance to house
Distance to Forest Part policeman
Range to house
Range to sleeping fawns

These things need definition. I suggest it is dangerous to sleep close range to whoever in the DNR sent out the order to “shoot (the ‘animals’) on sight.”


28 posted on 01/16/2012 3:47:11 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

And THIS was their entire reason:

“The DNR said it had received several reports of collared deer in the area of Highway 97 and North Shore Trail, and e-mailed the Forest Lake Police Department to recommend that officers dispatch the deer if they were located because they ‘were **probably** captured and collared illegally.’”

They were collared, for G-d’s sake.


29 posted on 01/16/2012 3:51:30 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Cobra64

“Apparently today’s journalists haven’t learned elementary English sentence structure. “

I see it so often, apparently it isn’t required to get the job.


30 posted on 01/16/2012 3:52:17 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: MestaMachine

pics here with their colored collars on:
http://www.twincities.com/ci_19752411


31 posted on 01/16/2012 3:53:42 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Pu**** afraid of attack fawns.

I hope these shooters get what they deserve.


32 posted on 01/16/2012 3:54:41 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (NOT VOTING gets 0bamao re-elected.)
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To: MestaMachine

>>They were collared, for G-d’s sake.<<

Why were they collared?


33 posted on 01/16/2012 3:56:11 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: MestaMachine

What are “collared deer”?

Collard greens I know, but not collared deer. Is this along the lines of feeding wild animals that are on your property? Do we outlaw bird feeders now? As in the actual people who feed birds (and other animals that show up for the bird seed)?


34 posted on 01/16/2012 3:56:33 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: GladesGuru

So far this years winner in the brain dead trough feeder sweepstakes


35 posted on 01/16/2012 3:56:47 PM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Did he read them their rights first?


36 posted on 01/16/2012 3:58:55 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: netmilsmom; combat_boots; WOBBLY BOB

What kind of insane reasoning is this?

The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources blames Jeff and LeeAnn Carpenter for taking in the animals without notifying state or local officials, and affixing them with identifying collars. The identifying collars acted as a signal that the animals could not be regarded as wild - and thus posed a potential health threat to wild animals.

Diseases can fester among animals in captivity, Capt. Greg Salo, regional supervisor for the DNR’s enforcement division, said Monday.

“If he had contacted us, I think we could have corrected the problem without having to destroy them,” Salo said. “The minute he took them as fawns and put collars on them, he sealed their fate.”


37 posted on 01/16/2012 3:59:57 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Seems like they have children...who will now be traumatized by this attack. How do you explain this to your children? You tell them cops are the good guys, then they march onto your property and kill two pet deer


38 posted on 01/16/2012 4:01:34 PM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: brent13a
There was a time in this country when "the cop on the beat" was known and respected by the citizens. He was friendly with law abiding inhabitants of his beat. He didn't go around shooting pets on orders of a distant uninformed bureaucracy "just in case" one of them might be sick. Of course, back then cops used judgment, just like other adults.
39 posted on 01/16/2012 4:05:28 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: MestaMachine

“...Salo said. “The minute he took them as fawns and put collars on them, he sealed their fate.”

Its ALWAYS the fault of the peon. The DNR and LEO fascists cannot EVER make a mistake.


40 posted on 01/16/2012 4:07:06 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I wonder, is legal to shoot wolves in this state?


41 posted on 01/16/2012 4:07:40 PM PST by Just A Reader
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From another story about the police blowing away the fawns with shotguns...

Police shot and killed two young deer Saturday in the Forest Lake yard where they had spent more than seven months, infuriating the homeowner who had taken the animals in.

The sentence makes it sound like the deer spent seven months infuriating the homeowner. Where do they find these writers?!

42 posted on 01/16/2012 4:11:24 PM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: MestaMachine

There’s a pic of the man with one of the fawns when it wasn’t very old at his YouTube of the incident here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c6ZceLVtqE

The guy has 10 acres. This has to be about showing the ‘little people’ who’s boss.


43 posted on 01/16/2012 4:11:54 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
The City of Forest Lake's mission is dedicated to providing friendly and efficient city services that enhance the quality of life for those who visit, work and live in the community.
This is from the police department's webpage. The lowlife who did this is a coward.
44 posted on 01/16/2012 4:12:19 PM PST by Krankor (Her voice was soft and cool. Her eyes were clear and bright. But she's not there.)
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To: MestaMachine

Okay, the humans are stupid for putting collars on the deer. They are not pets and can’t be kept as such, practically or legally.

Whether it needed to be handled exactly this way is very much open to debate. But in a state where deer are pretty much long-legged vermin, how much effort must be expended to deal with them ?


45 posted on 01/16/2012 4:13:04 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
The DNR instructed that they be killed on sight.

Those two deer in question had collars and were obviously adults. The two fawns were not collared and clearly killed without reason and by a grievous mistake in orders............

I try to believe that if I was in that cops position, I would have questioned the orders several times as well as confirmation that these two fawns were the intended target......

With that being said, I would have requested a replacement because I couldn't have done it......

46 posted on 01/16/2012 4:14:09 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: combat_boots

I wonder if anyone would get in trouble if they went to the cop’s yard and discharged a shotgun.


47 posted on 01/16/2012 4:16:40 PM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: steveo
And the above is just my knee-jerk reaction to anything involving Deer like creatures.

Why don't you just go kill your dog like creatures?
48 posted on 01/16/2012 4:19:30 PM PST by Krankor (Her voice was soft and cool. Her eyes were clear and bright. But she's not there.)
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To: combat_boots
“The DNR told Forest Lake police that if they spotted the animals, to kill them on sight.” The DNR and Forest Lake police kill little Bambis? Why? What threat do they/did they present?

Reread the article, the two deer in question were collared.......the fawns were not. This was a case of the cops not listening to their instructions.......

49 posted on 01/16/2012 4:20:20 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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If the Homeowner had shot the fawns because they were orphaned, the DNR would be seizing his house...


50 posted on 01/16/2012 4:22:55 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmit. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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