Posted on 01/18/2012 11:02:18 AM PST by rellimpank
That’s for the 20/21 models. I have the 29 model. I bookmarked the site in case one of my next purchases is a 20 or 21. Thanks for the link. BTW, I do plan on getting the 40 cal drop in barrel this spring sometime.
Wow! Thanks!
The p2000 is the successor of the hk usp. The v5 is the double action only version used by the us border patrol.
--I usually carry a Taurus 445 (.44 Special) or a Glock 36 but my quiet lifestyle has kept me out of gunfights for half a century--
-a rimless, slightly weak .22 Hornet with a pointy bullet--and lots of them--spray and pray, indeed--
I don't hang around people with .308s, though. They're all commies.
Well it ain’t a CZ-52, but it doesn’t weigh five pounds, either.
That's a good point and one I would have agreed with for a good many decades.... until I ran an impressive experiment suggested by a good buddy of mine. This friend, a retired LTC of special forces answered my question of: "If you could take any sidearm from the box and directly into combat, which would you choose? Instead of the 1911 I expected he said an H&K USP45. Directly into combat with no lube or cleaning. I took my 1911; trusted standby that I'd had for ages and carried for all that time and did the next best thing: I fired it until it experienced a jam (FTF or FTE) and it went just a hair over 400 rds. Then I purchased a brand new H&K USP45 and did as he suggested: Right from the box to the range and never a cleaning or a lube until IT failed. I expected it go last as long as my beloved 1911. At TWO THOUSAND ROUNDS with nary a bobble or a burp, I had to clean her out of sheer respect. I kept that gun for a long time, but it was too large for easy ccw in South Florida so I sold it for more than I paid. It was hard to let go, too. Then I compared my Glock and my Sig you know what? They were as good as the USP. I now rank my Glock M30 and Sig P220 with the same high regard and my 1911s have become "safe queens." I would never feel less well armed or incapable of self defense with a 1911 but in a true SHTF situation, I'd feel more comfortable with an H&K, Sig or Glock 45.
Agree...
When the army tested the 1911 in the original trials which saw it adopted, it went either 5000 or 6000 (I can’t remember offhand) rounds without a failure of any kind.
I don’t think it gets any better than that.
See. There's no such thing as a Glock M30! You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, mistreat nuns and orphans, and refuse to cry for Ole Yeller!
The entire 1911 community is collectively doing the "backstab dance" after your heinous betrayal ;o)
BTW, have you tried the XD?
Yepper. But my big complaint is that the slide requires AHNOLD the Governator to draw the slide to the rear lock position ... easily. I had to finally "technique" it by gripping the gun with the firing hand, then clamping nonfiring hand over slide and PUNCHING the gun forward while freezing the slide in the offhand to achieve the retraction. I just couldn't pull the slide to the rear full length with the offhand only and that's not good. Gettin' old truly sux.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
THAT was cold. Although, much to the horror of my students I tend to giggle insanely at the tragic death scene in the Lion King.... Or so I tell them (reinforces my "mean facade" to keep discipline).
Gimme a break. That would have been true if you were comparing FMJ rounds alone. There the slower moving 230gr 45 has the nod with greater cross sectional density getting the knockdown "nod." But with technology today in bullet configuration the expansion realities are virtually identical. So as ALWAYS it still comes down to shot placement. Which round "wins" when a 45 hits a perp in the arm while that 9mm strikes the upper lip at the base of the nose moving at 1250fps in a straight line? For that matter, which one is better if the 9mm takes that same line but the 45, instead of the arm takes the cranio-ocular route? That's a shot through the eyeball. Who wins that one?
C'mon, 15 rounds is going to be critical when the bad guys are higher in number. So what happens to your little scene if there are seven bad guys and your 45 has 7 or 8 or even 9 rounds? Do you think you're gonna get all of them in one shot stops? A Sig 226 has the potential for an 18 or 20 rd flush fit mag (I have several from Mec-Gar). I always carry at least one spare mag. At some point you're going to run out faster than a high cap 9. When I carry my Glock M30, it's a 10rd mag in the weapon plus a 13rd M21 mag as a backup. BUT I also carry a full box of 50 Winchester Ranger JHPs in my jeep. At least for trips.
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