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18 rounds in 5 seconds: How Glock became ‘America’s gun’
Las Vegas Sun ^ | 18 jan 2012 | J. Patrick Coolican

Posted on 01/18/2012 11:02:18 AM PST by rellimpank

We’re at Desert Hills Shooting Club near Boulder City, and Paul Barrett steps up with a Glock 17. He fires the 9 mm semi-automatic pistol 18 times in about five seconds and hits the target every time.

In that five seconds, he demonstrates why the Glock is beloved by gun enthusiasts and police officers alike. It’s fast, reliable and offers a lot of stopping power, with three times the number of rounds as the old police favorite, the Smith & Wesson .38 revolver.

Barrett, in town this week for the Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show (SHOT), the big firearms convention, has just published “Glock: The Rise of America’s Gun,” an entertaining and informative history — even if you’re not a gun enthusiast — of the firearm company that redefined the American handgun market beginning in the 1980s.

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; glock; rkba; rkbashotshow
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1 posted on 01/18/2012 11:02:25 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

I’ll take my 1911 over a glock any day of the week....


2 posted on 01/18/2012 11:03:27 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: rellimpank

I remember seeing an old, make that very old advertisement from Savage. It was for their .32 auto which held 10 shots. It showed a cowboy holding the little .32 being attacked by an alligator.

It said “Ten Shots Quick” or maybe it was “Ten Shots Fast”.


3 posted on 01/18/2012 11:07:46 AM PST by yarddog
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To: rellimpank

Spray and prepay eh?

I will also take my 1911...or my redhawk ...or my
Model 19 smith...


4 posted on 01/18/2012 11:08:39 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

My 1911 and my Beretta 92 FS will stay. Selling my Glock 17.


5 posted on 01/18/2012 11:09:03 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: rightwingextremist1776
I’ll take my 1911 over a glock any day of the week...

Amen. But my brother swears by his, and he's good with it.

I hate the grips on the doublestack glocks. And if I need 18 rounds, well, that's why God made battle rifles.

/johnny

6 posted on 01/18/2012 11:11:38 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: rellimpank

Bought a S.A. XD9 5”. Haven’t had a chance to take to the range yet.

One of these days......


7 posted on 01/18/2012 11:11:45 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: yarddog

—always like the one from the 1920’s with the cowboy and his Thompson sub-machine gun holding off the bad guys, rustlers or whatever they were-—


8 posted on 01/18/2012 11:11:52 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: whitedog57
I’ll take my 1911 over a glock any day of the week....

Enjoy it for the few rounds... me and my glock 21 will continue on for 13 rounds or my glock 30 for 10 rounds

Each to his own!

9 posted on 01/18/2012 11:12:49 AM PST by Taylor42
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To: rightwingextremist1776

I have several 1911’s (in .45ACP and 9MM) and several Glocks (same calibers).

For fun at the range, you can’t beat the 1911. Big, heavy, looks nice, and lots of character, plus with only a barrel and recoil spring change you can change calibers in under a minute (.45ACP to .400 CorBon or 9MM to .38 Super).

For personal protection the Glock wins hands down. The Glock 26 is small, light, easy to conceal and packs the same punch as the Glock 17 and it fits nicely in a pocket holster in my jacket pocket. For days where I feel the need for a little more protection, the Glock 30 is just as small and nearly as light as the 26, but packs 10 rounds of Federal HST .45ACP hollowpoints.

Different guns for different purposes.


10 posted on 01/18/2012 11:12:51 AM PST by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: Vaquero
He fires the 9 mm semi-automatic pistol 18 times in about five seconds and hits the target every time.

That's not "spray and pray".

Do you even know what "spray and pray" means?

11 posted on 01/18/2012 11:14:16 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
EXACTLY! No need for double taps either....

one shot, one kill.....

screw that 9mm crap....

12 posted on 01/18/2012 11:15:09 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: rightwingextremist1776

“I’ll take my 1911 over a glock any day of the week....”

Yup! If I’m going to shoot, the 1911 is the best choice. But the Glock is lighter, so people who carry every day and don’t anticipate having to shoot, might choose the Glock.

I like the beavertail safety and thumb safety on the 1911.


13 posted on 01/18/2012 11:15:27 AM PST by DBrow
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To: rellimpank

We don’t need no stinking semi-auto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw&feature=youtube_gdata_player


14 posted on 01/18/2012 11:15:48 AM PST by Okieshooter
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To: rightwingextremist1776
EXACTLY! No need for double taps either.... one shot, one kill.....

For your sake, I hope that you don't actually believe that.

15 posted on 01/18/2012 11:16:26 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Taylor42

Won’t need anymore then the first...after that you and you glock will be enjoying a dirt nap.


16 posted on 01/18/2012 11:17:03 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: rightwingextremist1776

It’s kind of like a Ford vs. Chevy debate. I use to hate Glocks, then I began to realistically see them for their undeniable reliability. They are ugly but they work.


17 posted on 01/18/2012 11:17:55 AM PST by MachIV
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To: rellimpank
America's gun?

Gaston Glock isn't a 'merkun. John Moses Browning was.

18 posted on 01/18/2012 11:18:40 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: rellimpank
Ah! Another opportunity to post some gun porn!


19 posted on 01/18/2012 11:18:55 AM PST by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: whitedog57
"Selling my Glock 17."

Where are you at and how much?

20 posted on 01/18/2012 11:19:01 AM PST by moehoward
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To: rellimpank

Not everyone can afford a Glock, even a used one, but almost everbody can scrounge up $100 for a Hi-Point C9.

21 posted on 01/18/2012 11:19:15 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: ArrogantBustard

for your sake I hope you are a better marksman....
it only takes one....

unless you are a poor marksman....then I can see how having 15 sub standard rounds might make the difference.


22 posted on 01/18/2012 11:19:21 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: All

what is the most rounds a non-exotic pistol from any pistol?


23 posted on 01/18/2012 11:23:05 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: rellimpank
I'm looking to pick up a couple of new toys. Glocks sure have a huge fan-base so they must be good. But I really like the looks of the XDm

Also looking for a Mossberg 12g 18"..
24 posted on 01/18/2012 11:23:48 AM PST by moehoward
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To: rellimpank

Won’t own a Glock for several reasons. 1) I’ll take well-made over loose tolerances. 2) When firing, it looks like a brick with sights on it. 3) The only safety on the gun is the trigger.


25 posted on 01/18/2012 11:24:31 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: MachIV
It’s kind of like a Ford vs. Chevy debate.

more like harley vs jap bikes. you love 'em or you hate 'em, and arguments tend devolve into personal attacks.
26 posted on 01/18/2012 11:25:02 AM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: rellimpank

It would be great to see them create a limited production run .50 caliber pistol and call it the Glock 50.


27 posted on 01/18/2012 11:25:48 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: absolootezer0
“more like harley vs jap bikes”

Agreed, I only own Harley's (LowRider and Sporty) and only American guns (S&W, Ruger, Browning and Mossberg)

28 posted on 01/18/2012 11:29:38 AM PST by Roy Baty (When there is no way out, find a way further in.)
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To: absolootezer0

—yep—mention “cult-like devotion” in the company of true believers in the 1911 and see what happens-—


29 posted on 01/18/2012 11:41:27 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rightwingextremist1776
it only takes one....

ROFL!!!!

You actually believe that???

< snicker >

Don't act all shocked and surprised when the bad guys disagree with you.

30 posted on 01/18/2012 11:45:58 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
My, you name fits doesn't it?

If you need 15 rounds to get the job done you need more range time....

‘nuff said?

I won't even begin to get into the 9mm vs .45 ACP debate. We both know which round is the better.

I rest my case.

31 posted on 01/18/2012 11:57:50 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: rellimpank
“cult-like devotion”

Looks like I've found an example right here on this very thread.

32 posted on 01/18/2012 12:02:15 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776
Agreed. My Kimber TLE II is pure joy.

I read recently, that Glock makes up 65% of all handguns sold in the US. That stat surprised me.

33 posted on 01/18/2012 12:02:41 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: MachIV

Same here, then bought a S&W Sigma .40: lousy trigger but reliable with anything.
Then bought a Ruger SR 9. It’s thin, has a safety and a nice trigger. Then a Ruger LC9.
No Glocks in my cabinet yet.


34 posted on 01/18/2012 12:17:01 PM PST by tumblindice (I'll vote for Mittens if Nappy Janet makes the cover of the SI swimsuit edition)
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To: longtermmemmory

(Assuming I can translate the question...)

A G17 with a +2 floorplate gives 20 rounds. 33 round mags are not uncommon, though kinda long for convenience.


35 posted on 01/18/2012 12:24:00 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: rellimpank

Then again, in California, at best, 10 rounds in 5 seconds... that is unless you can eject and reload a new clip in Superman speed. Clips here are limited to 10 rounds! Thank our left wing moron government!


36 posted on 01/18/2012 12:24:18 PM PST by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

We’re not playing army. If you need two shots to stop the threat, you take two shots. Glock or Smith or whatever.


37 posted on 01/18/2012 12:24:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

1. What’s so “loose” about it? maybe not tight, but does MOA accuracy suffer to any meaningful degree?
2. If that brick hits the target sufficiently hard every time, I’ll take it.
3. It’s simple. Pull trigger, goes BANG. Don’t pull trigger, doesn’t go BANG. No surprises either way. Keep it holstered when not needed. (Having had a rifle fire upon safety release due to mechanical malfunction, I’m not enamored of safeties over simplicity & “keep the booger hook off the bang switch”.)


38 posted on 01/18/2012 12:29:01 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Ranger Warrior

So move already. Can carry an 11” suppressed AR around in GA if you like.


39 posted on 01/18/2012 12:30:20 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Colonel Cooper described it best and for both handguns and longguns....here are some excerps

I have yet to run across a case study that called for a double-column magazine in a .45 pistol. The highest score I know of in a gunfight was five, which was achieved by a shooter using a single-column magazine of 7-round capacity. It would seem obvious that the “spray-and-pray” method we see in gunfights is both ineffective and ridiculous. According to doctrine we shoot twice (except for head shots), and this is just to take care of unforeseen errors. There is nothing wrong with having a whole lot of rounds available in one loading unless it actually reduces the efficiency of the weapon, in which case the idea should be dropped. The double-column magazine, in a major caliber pistol, does indeed reduce efficiency and affords nothing particular in return.

There is also a worldwide preoccupation with fully automatic, hand-held fire. The “spray-and-pray” concept may be held in contempt by sophisticated shooters throughout the world, but there are not many of those. Most people in the press and law enforcement seem to feel that a whole lot of shots, hit or miss, is preferable to one well-placed hit. We cognoscenti know better than that, but we are in the minority.

Col. Jeff Cooper

40 posted on 01/18/2012 12:33:55 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Depends on the job. Knew a guy who (long legitimate story short) went thru 50 to get the job done.
Placement is more important than diameter. Neither mean anything if you’re out. Once you’re out, you’re out.


41 posted on 01/18/2012 12:36:04 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: rockinqsranch
Bought a S.A. XD9 5”. Haven’t had a chance to take to the range yet.

Be prepared to smile at every post on this thread.

I've been a Glock guy for twenty years. (Yeah, 1911s are fun, but so are sailboats.)

I only recently completed my Glock replacement program. Sold them all off except one G17 for nostalgia purposes.

Why?

I shot an XD.

42 posted on 01/18/2012 12:36:22 PM PST by papertyger
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To: rightwingextremist1776
Won’t need anymore then the first...after that you and you glock will be enjoying a dirt nap.

Only if you're committing murder.

If you find yourself in an actual gunfight...you're in for one BIG surprise!

43 posted on 01/18/2012 12:41:09 PM PST by papertyger
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To: ctdonath2

out of curiosity I was tryng to figure out which pistol, of any brand, would have the most rounds. No special configuration, no exotic rare pistol, no super long clip, just a close to factory configuration.


44 posted on 01/18/2012 12:42:45 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: whitedog57
Selling my Glock 17.

How much?

45 posted on 01/18/2012 12:44:18 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: longtermmemmory

17+1, as indicated in lead article, is about it as far as stock factory norm goes. Beyond that you get into squishyness of floorplates, long mags, or anemic rounds (ex.: .17HMR). These are not “exotic” or “special”, but do strain the limits of practical/normal choices.


46 posted on 01/18/2012 12:47:52 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: rellimpank
Well to just add to the mix, my favorite pistol to date is my first generation Walther P99 .40sw. Much nicer than the Glock IMHO.
47 posted on 01/18/2012 12:49:26 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: longtermmemmory; All

—for a long time it was the FN-manufactured Browning of about 1935 , commonly known as the Hi-Power (improperly,IIRC) which was the one where John Browning upgraded and corrected the 1911 model-—


48 posted on 01/18/2012 12:49:42 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Secret Agent Man
We’re not playing army. If you need two shots to stop the threat, you take two shots. Glock or Smith or whatever.

If I were to draw my glock with the intent to kill, I'd let loose a minimum of three rounds at center mass.
49 posted on 01/18/2012 12:51:09 PM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: ctdonath2

only Glock has that?


50 posted on 01/18/2012 12:51:30 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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