Skip to comments.18 rounds in 5 seconds: How Glock became ‘America’s gun’
Posted on 01/18/2012 11:02:18 AM PST by rellimpank
Were at Desert Hills Shooting Club near Boulder City, and Paul Barrett steps up with a Glock 17. He fires the 9 mm semi-automatic pistol 18 times in about five seconds and hits the target every time.
In that five seconds, he demonstrates why the Glock is beloved by gun enthusiasts and police officers alike. Its fast, reliable and offers a lot of stopping power, with three times the number of rounds as the old police favorite, the Smith & Wesson .38 revolver.
Barrett, in town this week for the Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show (SHOT), the big firearms convention, has just published Glock: The Rise of Americas Gun, an entertaining and informative history even if youre not a gun enthusiast of the firearm company that redefined the American handgun market beginning in the 1980s.
(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...
I’ll take my 1911 over a glock any day of the week....
I remember seeing an old, make that very old advertisement from Savage. It was for their .32 auto which held 10 shots. It showed a cowboy holding the little .32 being attacked by an alligator.
It said “Ten Shots Quick” or maybe it was “Ten Shots Fast”.
Spray and prepay eh?
I will also take my 1911...or my redhawk ...or my
Model 19 smith...
My 1911 and my Beretta 92 FS will stay. Selling my Glock 17.
Amen. But my brother swears by his, and he's good with it.
I hate the grips on the doublestack glocks. And if I need 18 rounds, well, that's why God made battle rifles.
Bought a S.A. XD9 5”. Haven’t had a chance to take to the range yet.
One of these days......
—always like the one from the 1920’s with the cowboy and his Thompson sub-machine gun holding off the bad guys, rustlers or whatever they were-—
Enjoy it for the few rounds... me and my glock 21 will continue on for 13 rounds or my glock 30 for 10 rounds
Each to his own!
I have several 1911’s (in .45ACP and 9MM) and several Glocks (same calibers).
For fun at the range, you can’t beat the 1911. Big, heavy, looks nice, and lots of character, plus with only a barrel and recoil spring change you can change calibers in under a minute (.45ACP to .400 CorBon or 9MM to .38 Super).
For personal protection the Glock wins hands down. The Glock 26 is small, light, easy to conceal and packs the same punch as the Glock 17 and it fits nicely in a pocket holster in my jacket pocket. For days where I feel the need for a little more protection, the Glock 30 is just as small and nearly as light as the 26, but packs 10 rounds of Federal HST .45ACP hollowpoints.
Different guns for different purposes.
That's not "spray and pray".
Do you even know what "spray and pray" means?
one shot, one kill.....
screw that 9mm crap....
“Ill take my 1911 over a glock any day of the week....”
Yup! If I’m going to shoot, the 1911 is the best choice. But the Glock is lighter, so people who carry every day and don’t anticipate having to shoot, might choose the Glock.
I like the beavertail safety and thumb safety on the 1911.
We don’t need no stinking semi-auto.
For your sake, I hope that you don't actually believe that.
Won’t need anymore then the first...after that you and you glock will be enjoying a dirt nap.
It’s kind of like a Ford vs. Chevy debate. I use to hate Glocks, then I began to realistically see them for their undeniable reliability. They are ugly but they work.
Gaston Glock isn't a 'merkun. John Moses Browning was.
Where are you at and how much?
Not everyone can afford a Glock, even a used one, but almost everbody can scrounge up $100 for a Hi-Point C9.
for your sake I hope you are a better marksman....
it only takes one....
unless you are a poor marksman....then I can see how having 15 sub standard rounds might make the difference.
what is the most rounds a non-exotic pistol from any pistol?
Won’t own a Glock for several reasons. 1) I’ll take well-made over loose tolerances. 2) When firing, it looks like a brick with sights on it. 3) The only safety on the gun is the trigger.
It would be great to see them create a limited production run .50 caliber pistol and call it the Glock 50.
Agreed, I only own Harley's (LowRider and Sporty) and only American guns (S&W, Ruger, Browning and Mossberg)
—yep—mention “cult-like devotion” in the company of true believers in the 1911 and see what happens-—
You actually believe that???
< snicker >
Don't act all shocked and surprised when the bad guys disagree with you.
If you need 15 rounds to get the job done you need more range time....
I won't even begin to get into the 9mm vs .45 ACP debate. We both know which round is the better.
I rest my case.
Looks like I've found an example right here on this very thread.
I read recently, that Glock makes up 65% of all handguns sold in the US. That stat surprised me.
Same here, then bought a S&W Sigma .40: lousy trigger but reliable with anything.
Then bought a Ruger SR 9. It’s thin, has a safety and a nice trigger. Then a Ruger LC9.
No Glocks in my cabinet yet.
(Assuming I can translate the question...)
A G17 with a +2 floorplate gives 20 rounds. 33 round mags are not uncommon, though kinda long for convenience.
Then again, in California, at best, 10 rounds in 5 seconds... that is unless you can eject and reload a new clip in Superman speed. Clips here are limited to 10 rounds! Thank our left wing moron government!
We’re not playing army. If you need two shots to stop the threat, you take two shots. Glock or Smith or whatever.
1. What’s so “loose” about it? maybe not tight, but does MOA accuracy suffer to any meaningful degree?
2. If that brick hits the target sufficiently hard every time, I’ll take it.
3. It’s simple. Pull trigger, goes BANG. Don’t pull trigger, doesn’t go BANG. No surprises either way. Keep it holstered when not needed. (Having had a rifle fire upon safety release due to mechanical malfunction, I’m not enamored of safeties over simplicity & “keep the booger hook off the bang switch”.)
So move already. Can carry an 11” suppressed AR around in GA if you like.
I have yet to run across a case study that called for a double-column magazine in a .45 pistol. The highest score I know of in a gunfight was five, which was achieved by a shooter using a single-column magazine of 7-round capacity. It would seem obvious that the spray-and-pray method we see in gunfights is both ineffective and ridiculous. According to doctrine we shoot twice (except for head shots), and this is just to take care of unforeseen errors. There is nothing wrong with having a whole lot of rounds available in one loading unless it actually reduces the efficiency of the weapon, in which case the idea should be dropped. The double-column magazine, in a major caliber pistol, does indeed reduce efficiency and affords nothing particular in return.
There is also a worldwide preoccupation with fully automatic, hand-held fire. The spray-and-pray concept may be held in contempt by sophisticated shooters throughout the world, but there are not many of those. Most people in the press and law enforcement seem to feel that a whole lot of shots, hit or miss, is preferable to one well-placed hit. We cognoscenti know better than that, but we are in the minority.
Col. Jeff Cooper
Depends on the job. Knew a guy who (long legitimate story short) went thru 50 to get the job done.
Placement is more important than diameter. Neither mean anything if you’re out. Once you’re out, you’re out.
Be prepared to smile at every post on this thread.
I've been a Glock guy for twenty years. (Yeah, 1911s are fun, but so are sailboats.)
I only recently completed my Glock replacement program. Sold them all off except one G17 for nostalgia purposes.
I shot an XD.
Only if you're committing murder.
If you find yourself in an actual gunfight...you're in for one BIG surprise!
out of curiosity I was tryng to figure out which pistol, of any brand, would have the most rounds. No special configuration, no exotic rare pistol, no super long clip, just a close to factory configuration.
17+1, as indicated in lead article, is about it as far as stock factory norm goes. Beyond that you get into squishyness of floorplates, long mags, or anemic rounds (ex.: .17HMR). These are not “exotic” or “special”, but do strain the limits of practical/normal choices.
—for a long time it was the FN-manufactured Browning of about 1935 , commonly known as the Hi-Power (improperly,IIRC) which was the one where John Browning upgraded and corrected the 1911 model-—
only Glock has that?