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To: DiogenesLamp

For what it’s worth, I don’t believe that the long-form birth certificate placed on the White House blog was created by the Hawaiian Dept. of Health. I do believe that whatever they created is in the hands of his personal lawyer, the one who went there to pick up two copies. I believe that one of them is the basis for what you see in the pdf but that pdf was not created by the Dept. of Health. The real thing was scanned and then modified to make the data on it match what he previously released on the short-form. For the same reason they wouldn’t vouch for the short-form, the Hawaiian Dept. of Health won’t vouch for the long-form. There’s no way that any real long-form birth certificate contains a stamp, on the FRONT, mind you, that says TXE instead of THE. That “error” was likely introduced to sidestep laws against forging a seal of certification. If you recall, nobody has ever seen or examined the underlying document that Obama’s lawyer picked up in Hawaii. If it was even present at the press conference, the spokeperson merely waved it at a distance, would not let the media examine it, and then removed it from the room before Obama even spoke. The special visit to the supposed long-form by Savannah Guthrie, notwithstanding. Her photos are no more evidence than an image on the Internet.


88 posted on 01/22/2012 11:40:46 AM PST by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson
For what it’s worth, I don’t believe that the long-form birth certificate placed on the White House blog was created by the Hawaiian Dept. of Health. I do believe that whatever they created is in the hands of his personal lawyer, the one who went there to pick up two copies. I believe that one of them is the basis for what you see in the pdf but that pdf was not created by the Dept. of Health. The real thing was scanned and then modified to make the data on it match what he previously released on the short-form. For the same reason they wouldn’t vouch for the short-form, the Hawaiian Dept. of Health won’t vouch for the long-form. There’s no way that any real long-form birth certificate contains a stamp, on the FRONT, mind you, that says TXE instead of THE. That “error” was likely introduced to sidestep laws against forging a seal of certification. If you recall, nobody has ever seen or examined the underlying document that Obama’s lawyer picked up in Hawaii. If it was even present at the press conference, the spokeperson merely waved it at a distance, would not let the media examine it, and then removed it from the room before Obama even spoke. The special visit to the supposed long-form by Savannah Guthrie, notwithstanding. Her photos are no more evidence than an image on the Internet.

It is a perspective that I will keep in mind, and I consider it a reasonable possibility, but I don't consider it likely because of that "official seal" and because Hawaii isn't contradicting it. This could be explained in the manner you suggest, but it just doesn't seem likely to me. I find it improbable. Not impossible, just less likely in my mind.

I do agree with you about the two documents in possession of the Lawyer. I am certain those are real insofar as Hawaii will certify. For whatever Reason, the Lawyer certainly seems guarded about them. Hopefully the judge will force them into his perusal, and if they ARE replacement documents, hopefully the judge will announce so and demand the "original" document.

89 posted on 01/22/2012 1:45:16 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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