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To: wideawake
99% of the first generation of permanent American colonists were there for commerce, not theology.

You mean "cod and not God."

While there is truth in this, and offsets the idea that all the Founders and ppl were evangelical Christians, yet it is misleading and biased it is inferring that the founders and people same were a bunch of secularists who had little interest in the Christian faith. That America was distinctly Christian is abundantly evidenced, and was reflected in in government and education.

And which was the reason for the 1st Amendment, to assure freedom to be so after their particular faith, versus required submission to an official State religion, which is much the case now as a result of increased secularization, with its indoctrination of ethos which largely increasingly functions as religion.

There can never be the manner of antiseptic separation of religion from State the way strict separatists seem to demand as regards Christian faith, but as in the past, the government will reflect what people who elect them really believe in terms of commitment, though this is becoming more difficult.

May you have a God night

82 posted on 01/19/2012 2:57:13 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212
The fact is that while most of the colonists were professing and believing Christians, the vast majority were not colonists because of religious motives, but economic.

And truth be told, the Pilgrims themselves were more motivated by a distaste for life in Holland than fear of persecution.

The evangelical vision of the colonists as a uniform squadron of zealous true believers is as ahistorical as the secularist view of the Founding Fathers as a crew of faithless radicals. Brewster and Jefferson were outliers, not representatives.

86 posted on 01/19/2012 3:42:22 PM PST by wideawake
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To: daniel1212
versus required submission to an official State religion, which is much the case now as a result of increased secularization, with its indoctrination of ethos which largely increasingly functions as religion.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Every government K-12 school in this nation is a temple of godless secular humanist indoctrination. If the child is to cooperate in the classroom he **must** think and reason godlessly. How could it be otherwise.

And...Some, here on Free Republic find it irritating that I use the words “all” and “every”. Well? ...If any one knows of a government owned and run K-12 school that is not godlessly secular ( by law) in its worldview, please send a link. (By the way,.... No one ever has.)

And...Every citizen pays for the government establishment of the religion of godless secular humanism. We pay through property taxes, rents, sales taxes, and indirectly through the higher prices on all goods by the taxes passed on to the consumer through business taxes.

All children whose parents can not ransom them ( jizya) from the government school are under the threat of armed police and court action to attend their godless secular humanist temple of indoctrination.

Recently, I made a decision. I will NOT have a government teacher for a friend. In my opinion, government schools are **that** evil, hurt children **that** much, and are **that** much of a threat to our nation continuing in freedom. Personally,...I am done with government teachers.

91 posted on 01/19/2012 4:17:28 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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