[ansel12]

It may matter to you for reasons of pride, but for those of us that are interested in politics and the effect that the Catholic vote has had on our nation, and the fact that we are importing Catholics by the tens of millions, we are interested in the Catholic vote, how the members of that single church vote, and as conservatives, how we can keep it from destroying us and our goals as conservatives.

[LomanBill]

 and as conservatives, how we can keep it from destroying us and our goals as conservatives.

"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD

 ETERNAL HOSTILITY

TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"

"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;"

[snip]

...and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous.. when it is permitted freely to contradict them.

--Thomas Jefferson, 1786

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html

 

 

Use it or lose it.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Then simply post the stats relevant to this thread:

55% McCain, 43% Obama - Weekly mass-attending Catholics 6,9
52% McCain, 47% Obama - White "regular-mass-attending" Catholics12
52% McCain, 47% Obama - White Catholic14
51% McCain, 49% Obama - White Catholics1,7,11
45% McCain, 54% Obama - Catholics1,4,6,8,9,10,11,12
45% McCain, 54% Obama - Catholic14
30% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanics13****
xx% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanic Catholics8,11**,***, ****
xx% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanic Protestants and other Christians11**, ****

Here's the impact on "politics and the effect that the Catholic vote has had on our nation":

1) The single most important factor regarding how "catholics" vote is whether they attend mass weekly.
2)The same is broadly true among other religious groups. (Due to historical patterns - that have nothing to do with today's political reality & having little to do with moral issues, protestants tend to vote GOP more than Catholics.)
3)For Hispanics, religious affiliation is immaterial to their vote.

[Mad Dawg]

I'm wondering if there isn't possibly a legitimate distinction between what you might call "cultural Catholics" and "committed Catholics." Pelosi would be an extreme example of a cultural Catholic.

...and the fact that we are importing Catholics by the tens of millions ...

If this refers to Hispanics, and I don't mean this contentiously, do we have numbers on how many of them are Catholic these days? I'm thinking that one reads of rises among Hispanics of the Jehovah's Witnesses and of some Pentecostal churches.

...the Catholic vote,...

And therefore I also wonder if this phrase is much more meaningful than, say, "the blond vote." That is, I suspect a lot of "cultural Catholics" are also "cultural Democrats." They've never really examined either their faith or their party affiliation.