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64 posted on Monday, January 23, 2012 5:33:45 AM by no dems: “How can Black Baptists go to church on Sunday and sing, clap, shout and dance and then go to the polls on Tuesday and vote for a man and a Party that espouses same-sex marriage and killing little babies?”

I see two main underlying reasons based on history, coupled with a third issue of lack of current leadership:

1) White evangelicals, to our sad disgrace, in the main failed to support the civil rights movement. There were important exceptions — Billy Graham was blasted early on by too many conservative Christians for taking positions for which he was much later praised — but we're reaping the seeds today of our fathers sitting on the sidelines. Yes, there were left-wing and even Communist elements in the civil rights movement, but the silence of white evangelicals caused too many black Republicans in the 1950s and 1960s to desert the party that freed the slaves because they decided the Democrats were actually doing something to help them while Republicans sat on our hands and mostly did nothing.

2) Not only did many white evangelicals of two generations ago remain silent and do nothing, Nixon's “Southern Strategy” brought some of the worst and most bigoted segments of the old Democratic Party into the Republican Party. I'm not necessarily attacking Nixon on his goals, but his plans had some dangerous consequences that I'm not sure were unintended, and at the very least were predictable “collateral damage” that he showed little interest in stopping or even mitigating. This is less of a problem in conservative Christian circles where most Bible-believing Christians knew in their hearts even in the 1950s and 1960s that black skin is not the mark of God's curse, despite some extreme rhetoric, but it can be a real problem in secular conservative circles where bigoted anti-black attitudes have not yet died.

3) We simply do not have many examples of black Republican leaders, and it's hard for the average black person to join a party when he's virtually the only non-white face at most events he attends. Yes, we have Condoleeza Rice, Allen West, Herman Cain and a few others, but they're too often the exceptions which prove the rule. Apparently, this year was not the year for the rise of someone like Herman Cain, but perhaps he'll have an important role in a Republican cabinet beginning in 2013, and perhaps West will continue to rise in importance as a member of the House Armed Services Committee.

There are three significant segments of black voters — members of biblically faithfulful black churches, black military NCOs and officers, and the black middle class — which should be Republicans but are not. As white evangelical churches develop better ties with black evangelicals, as bad memories of past racism die out, and as black Republican leaders emerge, I hope we'll see more blacks vote for their logical self-interest and not vote Democrat against their own interests.

67 posted on 01/23/2012 4:13:31 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

Well, you make some very valid points, and I thank you for your input. HOWEVER....

I grew up in the Segregated South. I never went to school with a Black person until I was in College. And, down here in Texas, ALL THE POLITICIANS in the 50’s ad 60’s were DEMOCRAT SEGREGATIONISTS. It was a Republican President (Eisenhower) who sent troops to Little Rock, AR. DEMOCRAT SEGREATIONISTS ruled the South until the Conservative Revolution, led by Ronald Reagan, in 1980. And, Blacks were voting Democrat all along; especially after JFK and LBJ. Why? ENTITLEMENTS / GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS!!! The same way that the DemocRAT Party keeps them in the fold today.


68 posted on 01/23/2012 4:47:25 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: darrellmaurina

One more point to add to my post #68: In the ‘50s and ‘60s, not many Blacks voted at all because the Democrat Segregationists, who ruled the South, imposed a Poll Tax; specifically to keep the Blacks from voting. After the Voting Rights Act was passed in 1964, more Blacks began voting and we smitten by LBJ’s Great Society and they’ve voted straight Democrat ever since.

You could have a video of Obama in bed with a dead girl or a live boy and 95 percent of the Blacks would still vote for him.


69 posted on 01/23/2012 4:52:23 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: darrellmaurina; no dems

I disagree with your history, the actual history of the black vote is that it reversed itself in 1936, not the 1960s.

Blacks were solidly Republican, always, in 1932 everything was normal and Roosevelt got 23% of the black vote, then suddenly in 1936, the Democrats got 71% of the black vote, and it has been the same ever since.

Whatever happened, happened between 1932, and 1936.


82 posted on 01/23/2012 10:01:41 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: darrellmaurina
The only Southern Strategy I've seen a lie or projection by the left. Wallace was the candidate of white racist in 1968. Democrats declared war on the JAcksonians with the unConstitutional 1964 Civil Rights act, which ended all pretense of individual rights in America. That was a choice by the Democrats to choose socialism over rights. Johnson killed previous Civil Rights legislation, holding out for the socialist version. Sending welfare to the people burning their own cities was a choice of the Democrats. Coddling the hippies was a choice by the left. This led traditional blue collar Democrats to flee their party all over the US.

LBJ understood this and countered it with the Immigration Reform Act of 1965, to elect a new people.

86 posted on 01/23/2012 11:47:48 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: darrellmaurina

[64 posted on Monday, January 23, 2012 5:33:45 AM by no dems: “How can Black Baptists go to church on Sunday and sing, clap, shout and dance and then go to the polls on Tuesday and vote for a man and a Party that espouses same-sex marriage and killing little babies?”]

Horsepucky to your answers. You sound like the libs. The blacks wouldn’t have voted for( or so continue to support) H Clinton in such huge numbers if she won nomination and followed exact same policies to this point.

Its overt racial pride fueled by: they are often pentecostals and they follow the devil’s ‘tongues’...they ‘got the spirit’ and it don’t matter what they believe morally...same with whites of the same stripe...
we Catholics call it “protestant emotionalism”, to be short.


120 posted on 01/25/2012 1:46:36 PM PST by BonRad (Ut Roma cadit, sic omnis terra -As Rome falls, so the entire world)
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