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Homeschoolers React to State of the Union Education Demand
Home School Legal Defense Association ^ | January 25, 2012

Posted on 01/25/2012 12:27:51 PM PST by scripter

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Last night in his State of the Union address President Obama called on all states to raise their school compulsory attendance age to 18, unnecessarily adding to bureaucratic requirements for homeschoolers.

Homeschool advocates at the Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) are dedicated to protecting the educational relationship between parents and their children. Parents—not the federal government and certainly not the president—are the ones who should decide how children are educated and when they’re ready to graduate from high school.

But President Obama presumptively spoke on behalf of parents and the states: “So tonight, I am proposing that every state—every state—requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.”

Michael Farris, founder and chairman of HSLDA, expressed the shock felt by homeschoolers: “There appears to be no limit to the president’s desire for power. Car companies, banks, doctors, and now schools and the family. He’s gone way too far this time.”

State-mandated attendance has not been the historical norm. In 1642, the Massachusetts Bay Colony stipulated that parents provide religious instruction for their children. For the next 200 years, most education laws were minimal and focused on family-centered education, giving children the tools to read, write, and do arithmetic, helping them understand what it meant to be virtuous citizens, and allowing them to learn a trade.

Ultimately, a formulaic and compulsory approach to education fails to instill in children a love of learning or a quality education. HSLDA President J. Michael Smith confirmed, “HSLDA has consistently protected homeschool families from the harmful effects of compulsory attendance education in their states, reinforcing the parental right to choose the method and duration of education most fitting to the individual needs and gifts of their children.”

Home School Legal Defense Association is a nonprofit advocacy organization established to defend and advance the constitutional right of parents to direct the education of their children and to protect family freedoms. Visit us online at www.hslda.org


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Urgent Calls Needed to Stop Obama's Attack on Educational Freedom

Dear HSLDA Members and Friends,

"So tonight, I am proposing that every state--every state--requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18."

--President Barack Obama, last night's State of the Union speech.

I was shocked when I heard that. Under our U.S. Constitution, education matters are left to the states. Our Founders wanted decisions about education and a host of other matters left to the states and local government so that these important decisions that affect every family could easily be influenced by the real decision makers: parents and the family.

Parents--not the federal government and certainly not the president--are the ones who should decide how children are educated and when they're ready to graduate from high school.

But last night, President Obama made it clear that he thinks the federal government should be in the business of telling states how long children should stay in school.

Since we were founded in 1983, HSLDA has fought attempts by state legislatures to increase the ages of compulsory attendance in school. We do this because parents--not education bureaucrats--are best equipped to decide how long their children should stay in school.

Now, thanks to President Obama and his willing allies in Congress, we're going to have to fight this in Congress, too. We need to make sure that the White House, and their allies in Congress hear our message loud and strong: leave education decisions to parents.

CALL NOW!

Right now, please call the White House, and your members of Congress, and give them this message:

"Last night, President Obama called for the government to mandate that all children stay in school until they graduate or turn age 18. This is not the federal government's responsibility. Leave education decisions to parents, not federal bureaucrats. Tell President Obama to withdraw his compulsory attendance mandate immediately." The White House: 202-456-1414, or send an online message: http://www.hslda.org/elink.asp?id=13517 Your U.S. representative and two U.S. senators: 202-224-3121 (Capitol Switchboard) or http://www.hslda.org/elink.asp?id=13518 to find their names and contact info.

There appears to be no limit to this president's desire for power. Car companies, banks, doctors, and now schools and the family. But this time he's gone way too far, and homeschoolers and freedom-loving Americans need to make sure that he hears our message.

Thank you for standing with us for freedom.

Sincerely,

Michael P. Farris, JD, LLM Chairman, HSLDA

P.S. Click here http://www.hslda.org/elink.asp?id=13519 to watch the president threaten education freedom in last night's State of the Union speech.

1 posted on 01/25/2012 12:28:03 PM PST by scripter
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To: metmom

You probably have this in email. I thought I’d post in here for a wider audience.


2 posted on 01/25/2012 12:29:23 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter

Here is a list of current compulsory education, by state:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0112617.html


3 posted on 01/25/2012 12:32:51 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: scripter

Longer government skool attendance = more goonion teachers = more dues = more goonion contributions to dhimmiecrats


4 posted on 01/25/2012 12:34:36 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: scripter

So glad I didn’t watch - my heart probably would have given out listening to all this Big Brother Socialist crap ...


5 posted on 01/25/2012 12:35:43 PM PST by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my light bulbs !)
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To: scripter

I don’t see how this will work on religious grounds.

I am not fully aware of the law, but in Maryland it is required that student stay in school until 16, but the Amish who live here do not go to High School. They stop in the 6th grade and generally the older ones stay and help the others by teaching. At least some of the girls do. I believe the boys are just truant after the 6th grade.

Of course Obama has already shown that Freedom of Religion means nothing to him, he showed that when he went against the Conscience act to force Catholics out of the adoption business and forced helping in abortion on Catholic nurses.

Oh Well” More Obama made laws and regulations coming down the pike, I wonder why we have a Congress when we have a President who rules like a King.


6 posted on 01/25/2012 12:38:50 PM PST by Venturer
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To: 43north

Exactly. Just a reason to try to justify more money to “schools and education”.


7 posted on 01/25/2012 12:38:59 PM PST by NEMDF
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To: scripter

1. Steal the peoples’ money

2. “Give” it to the local school districts until they become addicted and can’t function without it.

3. Impose your indoctrination requirements on districts who “choose” to accept the peoples’ money that you stole.


8 posted on 01/25/2012 12:43:24 PM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: NEMDF

And get all children under the thumb of leftist indoctrination. None can be allowed to escape, that would be dangerous.


9 posted on 01/25/2012 12:43:24 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: 11th_VA

I envy you. I watched about 5 seconds with the sound off and saw Biden clapping... that was enough.


10 posted on 01/25/2012 12:43:55 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter
Education would likely improve if they would drop the mandatory attendance age to 10, so that the feral population would self-eliminate from the classrooms.

I guess Obama’s answer to the dropout rate is the same as his answer to people not having health care—Throw your butt in prison if you don't comply.

11 posted on 01/25/2012 12:45:37 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: scripter
Education would likely improve if they would drop the mandatory attendance age to 10, so that the feral population would self-eliminate from the classrooms.

I guess Obama’s answer to the dropout rate is the same as his answer to people not having health care—Throw your butt in prison if you don't comply.

12 posted on 01/25/2012 12:47:09 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: scripter

I watched no more than 10 minutes of that cr@p, and I managed to see both his zero sum economics (you rich people need to pay more taxes because the $ has to come from SOMEWHERE) and his attempt to destroy homeschooling!!!!

I hope this gets mentioned in the next debate.


13 posted on 01/25/2012 12:48:26 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: scripter; metmom

As I understand, attendance is already compulsory in many states. Is the issue that the Federal Govt wants to be in charge of this; i.e., centralization of control of children, or is the issue mandatory attendance itself?

I was homeschooled, and I hope to homeschool my (someday) children.

I might have to re-ask my parents, but as I recall, you only have to show the state that you are educating your child at home and that counts as attendance.

I dislike centralizing power, but how much more complicated is forwarding that same information to the government?

Serious questions—not trolling or playing devil’s advocate. I am a bit naive about the particulars of these laws.


14 posted on 01/25/2012 12:48:46 PM PST by Conservaliberty (25 and conservative. I guess I have no heart, Oh, well, makes shooting the bad guys easier.)
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To: scripter

What would be the point in forcing an unengaged kid to keep attending school?


15 posted on 01/25/2012 12:49:30 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: scripter
Last night in his State of the Union address President Obama called on all states to raise their school compulsory attendance age to 18...

Da teechers unions need mo' job securitah.

16 posted on 01/25/2012 12:50:45 PM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Too many lawmakers, too many laws, too many lawyers.)
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To: scripter
By the time my home schooled children reached 18 years of age one had an Associates degree and had been excepted to UNC Willmington and the other was a member of the USMC! Government needs to GETOUT OF THE WAY!!

Cruachan! III%

17 posted on 01/25/2012 12:52:26 PM PST by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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To: scripter

What gets me is this jackass uses the excuse of “government should not interfere with private family matters” when it comes to justifying abortion.


18 posted on 01/25/2012 12:54:34 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: scripter
Will do as you suggest. I was breathless at this grab for more federal control over our children and families. My son was trapped in a failing school system. He dropped out and went to work for about 6 months, then got his GED before he would have graduated from that mess of a high school. He's now a 4.0 student in a local 4 yr college. I would have done the same thing in his place. The next step will be for them to criminalize the lack of school attendance for the students, and slap the parents with legal penalties as well—already a fact in many states. Obama’s proposal will strengthen the teachers unions and the prison system. It will further jam up the courts and put more pressure on already struggling families and schools. Turn the power back over to the states and the families.
19 posted on 01/25/2012 12:55:52 PM PST by binreadin
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To: Venturer

“...I wonder why we have a Congress when we have a President who rules like a King.”

If there were no House or Senate, who would go to all those cocktail parties???


20 posted on 01/25/2012 12:56:49 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Real women don't kill their unborn. But womyn do.)
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To: scripter

This is just about Obama sucking up to the teacher’s unions. Pure and simple.


21 posted on 01/25/2012 12:57:20 PM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: binreadin

The thing about homeschoolers is that they (we) are by nature... well... zealots. We’ll go to the mats to defend our rights to homeschool,

and the commies need to understand just what that means.


22 posted on 01/25/2012 12:58:37 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: scripter

Help me understand the controversy vis-a-vis homeschoolers. The proposal Obama iterated was that students stay in school a.) until they graduate; or b.) turn 18. So, for instance, if a homeschooled student completed the requisite coursework for HS graduation at 16 years of age (i.e. graduated), then the 18 years of age restriction becomes moot. Are not most homeschoolers educating their children up to and including HS graduation?


23 posted on 01/25/2012 1:00:29 PM PST by Jim Hill
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To: Jim Hill

Baby steps with a goal of forcing all children under the tutelage of a communist indoctrination “educator” from birth to age of majority.


24 posted on 01/25/2012 1:03:12 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Jonty30
What would be the point in forcing an unengaged kid to keep attending school?

Money. They get paid per body, engaged or not.

25 posted on 01/25/2012 1:03:29 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter
Nothing could be clearer than this:

The more & deeper a distant bureaucracy gets in trying to dictate educational processes, the worse public education in America gets. (See Public Schools: Issues & Reality.)

But, of course, with the influence of the NEA, many public schools are avidly pushing a pro-Obama indoctrination. That explains a lot.

William Flax

26 posted on 01/25/2012 1:04:06 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: scripter; bamahead; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; adopt4Christ; Aggie Mama; ...

HOMESCHOOL PING

This ping list is for articles of interest to homeschoolers. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping List. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added or removed from either list, or both.

The keyword for the FREE REPUBLIC HOMESCHOOLERS’ FORUM is frhf.

27 posted on 01/25/2012 1:04:29 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: 95B30

“and had been excepted to UNC Willmington”

That’s racist! What did you do when your child was denied entry? :) :) :)


28 posted on 01/25/2012 1:06:00 PM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: metmom
I can never remember: frhf. Argh.
29 posted on 01/25/2012 1:06:45 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: MrB

Yes, I understand these communists’ agenda, and their incremental erosion of our individual rights and privileges. I suppose I can see this as another “camel’s nose under the tent” situation. Just trying to understand the specific implications for homeschooling if this becomes another federal mandate.


30 posted on 01/25/2012 1:09:08 PM PST by Jim Hill
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To: scripter

Actually, I don’t.

My youngest is a sophomore in college and we’re no longer members of HSLDA.

So, if you see anything from them that should be known, by all means, ping me again.


31 posted on 01/25/2012 1:15:59 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: scripter

“...until they graduate....”

What’s the problem?


32 posted on 01/25/2012 1:22:24 PM PST by G Larry (We need Bare Knuckles Newt to fight this battle.)
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To: metmom

We signed up as “lifers” when my oldest was 4...
I guess I’ll be getting emails & publications for a while.


33 posted on 01/25/2012 1:23:11 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: metmom

Between this and the message from HSLDA I saw on Facebook Monday regarding the “Homeschool Study” from the Dept of Education (http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201201200.asp), I am getting concerned.
I’m still curious as to how the federal gov’t got the names and addresses of homeschoolers to send out this study...I’m assuming that I had never heard of it before because we previously homeschooled in Texas and Germany (on a military base) where we didn’t have to report to anyone. Now we are in a state that I have to report in, but I did not give our county permission to pass along my info to the Dept of Ed.


34 posted on 01/25/2012 1:25:22 PM PST by Cailleach
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To: scripter
...helping them understand what it meant to be virtuous citizens...

Massachusetts now has a LAW against doing this, don't they?

35 posted on 01/25/2012 1:26:48 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: scripter

The notion of compulsory education is for the most part ridiculous, and ignores the obvious fact that the only thing many students kept against their will do, is to interfere in many ways with the education of students that *do* want to be educated.

1) Teachers try to teach “to the middle” of their classes abilities. If the class has more smart, motivated children, the teacher can, at least theoretically, teach at a higher level. However, poor, unmotivated, and disruptive students can drag down a class proportionately much more than smart, motivated students can uplift it.

2) Schools need some means of culling disruptive and even criminal students. As was demonstrated by principal Joe Clark, once even an inner city school was purged of its troublemakers, it was able to thrive.

3) Students are often very aware of their own intellectual interests and shortcomings, seeing no practical advantage to graduating or even attending school beyond a particular point. While later, as adults, they change their minds and get their GED, efforts to persuade or coerce they earlier just creates a wall of resistance, and even anger from them.


36 posted on 01/25/2012 1:28:27 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: metmom

Thanks for the ping. Homeschoolers were the first ones I thought of when I read this latest madness of King Barry.


37 posted on 01/25/2012 1:31:50 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: 11th_VA

Last night, the Washington Capitals vs Boston Bruins hockey game is the only thing I watched on TV.

It was an exciting game, and I became so absorbed in it that I actually forgot Obama was giving a campaign speech...


38 posted on 01/25/2012 1:33:42 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: A'elian' nation

...I wasn’t going to say anything...

; - )


39 posted on 01/25/2012 1:36:25 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: scripter

You have to remember that public education is primarily a (union) jobs program.


40 posted on 01/25/2012 1:41:38 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: scripter
Zer0 is carrying on in the proud tradition of the ne'er-do-wells of the early 20th century:

Pierce vs. Society of Sisters (1925)

41 posted on 01/25/2012 1:44:40 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: scripter

I had some extended family living in a state where the compulsory age was 16. They had a son who hooked up with the wrong crowd and started getting in trouble. His dad tried to put him into a parochial school where he’d get more structure and better guidance. But the kid did not like it, and when he turned 16 he dropped out. His father was told that was the law, and there was nothing he could do about it.

Then he kept getting in trouble with the cops. The police kept bringing him back to his dad. The dad was in a Catch 22 because he was still responsible for the kid for two more years, but could not legally force him to go back to school. And legally he could not kick the kid out either.

This is a stupid and untenable legal situation. Age of majority and compulsory attendance need to be the same.


42 posted on 01/25/2012 1:54:20 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Conservaliberty
I might have to re-ask my parents, but as I recall, you only have to show the state that you are educating your child at home and that counts as attendance.

It depends on the state. The restrictions and regulations on homeschoolers vary greatly state to state. Some have nearly nothing. You should start paying attention now when you are your age so you don't find yourself living somewhere with bad laws married to someone who thinks the public schools are fine. Take the long view and live somewhere free.
43 posted on 01/25/2012 1:57:55 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: scripter
But President Obama presumptively spoke on behalf of parents and the states: “So tonight, I am proposing that every state—every state—requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.”

He needs two more years to DUMB DOWN the public school (or as NY City spelpt it shcool) student, so they be WONDERFUL socialists.

44 posted on 01/25/2012 1:59:04 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: Jim Hill
it works like this. If states have regulations like requiring homeschooling parents to ‘consult’ with a ‘real’ teacher every year (some states require that) then raising the age adds more years they have to jump through the stupid hoops. In order to get out of that you have to ‘graduate’ which means some new federal standards in what that means. This potentially means parents have to jump though some sort of federal regulation minefield in order to prove their kid has graduated. That is hard to prove because there is no standard yard stick except a GED or some podunk local school saying you are done. So one way to look at what the president is doing would be requiring all homeschool students to take the GED. Not even top colleges or the military require that in all cases. Once the Feds are in charge of who is and isn't graduated... well lets just say that is a pretty big camel nose.
45 posted on 01/25/2012 2:07:41 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: scripter
"[Those who] preach the supremacy of the state, declare its omnipotence over individual man, and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the Earth, they are the focus of evil in the modern world...."
President Ronald Reagan
46 posted on 01/25/2012 2:15:55 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: scripter

mandatory age 18 is just mandated indoctrination and

MOST IMPORTANT mandated teacher union employment pay off.

School till 18 means more teachers means more union dues funneled to democrats.


47 posted on 01/25/2012 2:17:27 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: scripter
“So tonight, I am proposing that every state—every state—requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.”

According to STAR testing, my home-educated kids were intellectually ready to attend college at the age of 10. There is no way in hell I would ever allow them to remain in a school just to make life easier for incompetent teachers.

FUBO

48 posted on 01/25/2012 2:29:04 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing popular indenture since 1832.)
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To: ExCTCitizen

“spelpt it shcool”

Sorry! But sometimes typos are funny!


49 posted on 01/25/2012 2:29:16 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: scripter

By the time I was 18 I had an associates degree and was in a four year school. No diploma from anyone that the government would recognize because that’s what worked for us.


50 posted on 01/25/2012 3:34:59 PM PST by JenB
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