Is Now The Time To Move Away From Major U.S. Cities?

The American Dream ^ | 1-26-2012 | Michael Snyder

[Salamander]

Don’t be so selfish.

Let a few through.

>:-]

[Salamander]

I married a welder/metal fabricator.
[who is scary good at his work]

It’s one of the few jobs that never become obsolete.

[and everybody knows my family is “all crazy hillbillies” so we have that, too]

;D

[Vigilantcitizen]

I live in the western burbs of Atlanta...where we had biblical flooding in 2009. The hooch (Chattahoochie river) separates us from them. ITSHTF....we know that it will be vital to control the 6 bridges that cross the hooch into our county.

[Vigilantcitizen]

I live in the western burbs of Atlanta...where we had biblical flooding in 2009. The hooch (Chattahoochie river) separates us from them. ITSHTF....we know that it will be vital to control the 6 bridges that cross the hooch into our county.

[Salamander]

When I moved into this almost 300 year old log house in 1990, I had no indoor plumbing at all.

I had a hand pumped cistern, an outhouse, an Oriole kitchen cook stove and a galvanized “bath tub” and bucket to heat my water in.

I considered myself lucky to have a few electric outlets in the house and a working telephone.

Summer was easy...winters a bit less so but it was doable.

Getting washed dishes rinsed good enough in the old dry sink was probably the hardest part.

The only weird part was having the dogs standing/lying around the kitchen cook stove watching me take a bath in that little tub.

I swear they were laughing at me.

:)

[Tijeras_Slim]

Just remember when the Soviets wanted to force peasants in wooded areas into compliance in the 30’s they just burned them out. I don’t think the tree huggers will have much of a voice if the SHTF.

[patton]

My Grandmother did that - moved into a log cabin in NY, and plumbed/wired the place herself.

I wrote a paper about it in college, for which I got an “F”. Professor told me women were not that emancipated back when.

I let the professor live, but it was a close-run thing.

[patton]

Gravity-fed systems work fine - one of the ealiest examples of plumbing-on-demand.

Your toiletette works that way, now. Just need a water supplu above the john.

[netmilsmom]

>>I swear they were laughing at me.<<

LOL!

[netmilsmom]

I’m filing that in the “need to remember” part of my brain.

[Mad Dawgg]

"In many communities in the United States today, crime has become so terrifying that people are literally sleeping with their guns."

I live in a Small Town in Southern Ohio. For two nights running I have been spending time walking the allies that surround my building in an attempt to discourage thieves who are trying to steal our air-conditioning units (they scrap them for the metals in them like copper)

I literally was in the alley with a shotgun two nights in a row (for protection being the thieves are druggies) and saw the same people twice. The police don't even bother sending a car it happens so often. They've stolen three of my neighbors units. I explained to the police and they told me if they advance on you back away and if they keep coming defend yourself. (I've got cameras covering the areas.) The wife is torn she sez its dangerous But we can't afford the hit it would put on our insurance if they steal it.

Crime has skyrocketed in our area due to these damned "pills" "oxy" "Perks" "X" and a slew of others... This is a freaking epidemic and the cops are overwhelmed (They catch them and bring 'em to court and the judge puts 'em on probation and they are right back out stealing and dealing and using within hours of release.)

They have become so brazen they will walk into people's houses during daylight hours and rummage through their medicine cabinets while people are at home.

it has become a bit scary

[Mad Dawgg]

"People are afraid to live in cities and are preparing for the EOTWAWKI, and yet there’s a chance that Obama will be reelected??"

New Reality Series premiers soon: Doomsday Preppers No, I am not kidding...

[little jeremiah]

I wasmore or less responding to the idea of living in cities when TSHTF but also that living close enough for easy travel from cities is IMHO not a safe idea, generally speaking of course. Travis McGee has posted a cube of relative locations and I agree with him. Another point about jobs is in a fairly severe SHTF situation there won’t be jobs very much. It’s already more and more in that territory. Again IMHO people who can seriously reduce spending and find some ways of garnering income without having to live in close proximity to large numbers of people would be wise to do so.

[patton]

Ok, let’s get technical. How to make a cammode -

First, steal a cammode. Any one will do, doesn’t matter if it is low-flow, energy-saver, any of that. But making that complex porcelain thing is going to beyond anybody, in a zombie apocolypse.

Got the throne? Good, you are about done.

You next need three barrels ... if you plan to stay in the area. One, if not.

First, put a rain barrel above the john. Plumb it into the crapper’s water source. Dig a hole under the crapper, and you have a working john.

The one is for a rain barrell.

If you intend to stay ... you need two more barrels.

Plumb the waste from the crapper into the first, let it stew, then plumb it into the second all via a gravity-feed system - this is called a septic field. Let the second barrell leak, the waste goes away.

Ironically, years ago, ago, there was an article on FR - “Septic Fields Leak!”

Well, no stuff. That is what they are designed to do.

;)

[patton]

“an Oriole kitchen cook stove “

What is that?

[little jeremiah]

BTW, rural areas are also very easy targets...Few or no neighbors, few witnesses, few or no prying eyes or cameras...People leave their doors unlocked, everyone is trusting, etc...All the things criminals like.

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In my rural area, and many in the western and I guess southern parts of the US (I’m in the west), many, many people are armed, for one thing. I hear people target practicing all the time. A nice, soothing sound. The criminal types around here are known and will not be able to take control. Many people here have gardens and of course there are hundreds of thousands, actually millions, of acres of mountains and national forests all over the place. There is basically one road through the valley and people have definitely considered how to block it off if need be.

We also have a strong Contsitutionalist County Sheriff who is right now attending a large meeting of Sheriffs in Las Vegas to formulate how to protect citizens from the illegal encroachment of the fedgov; and he has personally stood up against such encroachment in our county.

Depending on jobs in populated areas is all very well when there are jobs, EBT cars and all utilities and all the stores are open. Take some of those away, and the picture changes.

The Amazon? surely you jest.

[netmilsmom]

Can I move by you if it hits? :)

[Mad Dawgg]

You should look into a still for making both distilled water and liquor! They are easy to make “Now” but when TSHTF it will be tough to locate the needed materials!

[little jeremiah]

This?

http://www.goodtimestove.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=yagendoo_VaMazing_zoom1_swl1.tpl&product_id=383&category_id=13&vmcchk=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=21

I want one.

[little jeremiah]

I much prefer a composting toilet that uses no water, as described in “Humanure”. The book is online. We used one for at least a year. Works well, little to no odor at all, everything composts nicely. Just need a bunch of buckets and composting materials that can anything from sawdust (raw lumber, not kiln dried), leaf mould, leaves, dirt, chipper shredder stuff, etc.