Newt hints at Rubio for VP

WND ^ | 1-27-2012 | Jerome Corsi

[Scanian]

When exactly did Rubio endorse Willard?

He criticized Newt but that is not the same as endorsing Romney.

[Publius Valerius]

Sigh....

Google “reception statutes.”. Tell me what they say.

[Publius Valerius]

By the way, what do you do for a living?

[Godebert]

"The Framers never saw Hamilton’s draft constitution."

Not exactly correct. From your source:

The document that has just been discussed is to be distinguished from the following which was not submitted to the Convention and has no further value than attaches to the personal opinions of Hamilton 1

Copy of a paper Communicated to JM (James Madison) by Col Hamilton about the close of the Convention in Philada 1787 which he said delineated the Constitution which he would have wished to be proposed by the Convention: He had stated the principles of it in the course of the deliberations.

The first paragraph states the draft was not "submitted" to the Convention. The second paragraph goes on to say:

"He had stated the principles of it in the course of the deliberations."

Seems like a contradiction to me. At a minimum, Hamilton and Madison were aware of the proposed Article II eligibility language in Hamilton's draft, and this source seems to indicate Hamilton's draft was discussed during the deliberations of the Convention.

We do know that Hamilton's Article II language of merely "born a Citizen" was ultimately rejected in favor of the stricter natural born Citizen as communicated to Gen. Washington by John Jay in his letter dated 25 Jul 1787:

"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. "

[Danae]

I do many things.

I am a Traffic Commissioner serving at the pleasure of the Mayor of my hometown. I also volunteer at my children’s school. I am a Senior at American Military University in Emergency and Disaster Management with a certification in Homeland Security. I am a 4.0 Student, Delta Epsilon Tau, Epsilon Pi Phi, on the Deans and Presidents lists. I am also a freelance journalist, I have published over 100 articles between Examiner.con, AIM.org, American Thinker, Family Security Matters and have had those articles republished all over the web.

I live to do these things, I don’t do them for a living. I don’t get paid much if anything for it. If I publish at Examiner I do, and that amounts to about 6/10ths of a penny per page hit, but that’s it. I don’t do anything for money right now.

What do you do for a living?

[Danae]

I don't use Google. I use Bing. But I googled this for you. The top three links are Wikipedia, a resource I do NOT consider cite-able.



Reception Statutes appear to be named "reception statutes" That is not the same words as "Common Law".

I told you before, the constitution draws on MANY sources for it's inspiration, and to a greater or lesser degree, those sources were not english common law. English common law has as its ultimate authority GOD, Jesus Christ, from whom the English Monarchy derives its POWER to rule. The Founders rejected that concept, and enshrined it in the 1st Amendment.

Do we trace back many laws to English Common Law? Yes. Does English Common Law bind us? No. There is NO ruling authority which says English Common Law is the Law of the United States and you know it. Does out system bear a descendent relationship to it, I would argue yes. Does that Bind the United States TO it, or under it? No. We do NOT obey English Common Law. We obey the laws that the Constitution enshrines and those which descend from it, we do not obey English Common Law. Instead, the founders created a new system of laws which was original in all of history.

[Danae]

I agree. Having taken the position I have, I cannot back down from it just because some Conservatives are STUPID enough to do it as well. I can be called many things, but Hypocrite isn’t going to be one of them.

[Danae]

Dude.... woah. Talk about misinterpreting a SCOTUS case...

Virgina Minor attempted to use the 14th Amendment to establish her citizenship and rights to vote. The court refused to allow her to use the 14th, because her citizenship status was that of a Natural Born Citizen having been born in the United States to two parents who were it’s citizens. Therefore the 14th Amendment did NOT apply to her. It only applied to those who needed it to establish their CITIZENSHIP. Because she was a Natural Born Citizen, she could not use it.

This case, in making the distinction between citizenship and Natural Born Citizenship HAD to specifically define what an NBC was, and so the SCOTUS DID, because it was necessary in the justification of the case itself - and we see that in the Holding in the case. Go read the WHOLE case dude. Stop just reading bits and pieces your buddies forward to you in order to get you to erroneously support after-birther baloney. It is a DESPERATE attempt of the establishment (which includes establishment democrats AND republicans) who WANT the constitution out of their way.

STOP BEING A TOOL DUDE.

[Danae]

Let us know how that windmill tilting goes for you ok?

[Scanian]

“some Conservatives are STUPID enough...”

I don’t know if it’s stupidity so much as political cynicism, slyness, lack of ethics, and-—oh, yes-— constitutional illiteracy.

[Hugin]

It does declare she was a NBC. It also states it doesn’t have to rule whether people born in the USA to non-citizen parents are NOT NBCs, because even if their argument was valid (which it doesn’t concede), she would not fall into that catagory anyway. It does NOT rule that people born here from non0-citizen parents are not NBCs, it just says that argument is moot.

If any one Scotus justice thought your argument had any validity, they could have agreed to hear any of the lawsuits on the issue. Not one of them did, not Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and certainly not Chief Justice Roberts who swore Obama in. They didn’t because the argument is bunk.

You are free to believe any crackpot legal theories you want. But let me know when you win a case, and I’ll happily eat my words. But quit trying to pass off your pronouncments about who is a Natural Born Citizen as legal fact, because it’s just not.

[Danae]

ONE case has gotten to SCOTUS Hugin. MINOR V HAPPERSETT!!!! 1874! NO OTHER CASE NEEDS TO GO! The court ruled 138 YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!

It is ENOUGH to have made the DISTINCTION you dense headed simpleton. They ARE NOT THE SAME! As GOD is my witness, how can yo be SO DENSE???

What is the distinction THEY MADE!?!???!

Minor was born in country to two parents who were citizens!!!!

As opposed to being born to only one citizen and a foreigner in country! As opposed to being born to one citizen parent OUT of country! As opposed to being born to alien parents in country! And then the pure alien, a baby born to foreign parents out of the country!

For Heaven’s sake! It is NOT rocket science! READ THE DAMN CASE!!!!!!!!!!

Two Parent citizens is the CRITERIA for being a Natural Born Citizen! My GOD do you know how to READ??? My 6 year old get’s it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hellfire and bloody damnation!!!

There is only one reason you and those like you DELIBERATELY REFUSE TO GET SO SIMPLE A CONCEPT! You CHOOSE not to because of your FEAR of the CONSEQUENCES!!!!

Damn it all, I didn’t CREATE this bloody situation! Barack Obama did, and is being HELPED by people as ignorant as this, and or people who deliberately WANT THE CONSTITUTION BROKEN AND OUT OF THE WAY!!!! THIS IS HOW THEY ARE DOING IT!!!!

WAKE UP! FRIGGIN THINK DAMNIT!

All you Obots out there, you are destroying the only thing that makes you Americans through your willful ignorance, or by your deliberate choice!!!

Natural Born Citizenship doesn’t NEED a SCOTUS case anymore!!! They ALREADY TOLD US! 138 YEARS AGO!!! So long ago you o’bot bastards thought you could hide the case and screw America by F***ing the constitution with Barack Effing Obama, an unconstitutional usurper.

They will tell you stupid sheep: “well that wasn’t so bad, we don’t NEED the constitution anymore.”

Then they can screw you just like the North Koreans get screwed by their government! Nothing will be left to STOP them. Only the constitution kept the government in check because we elected people who SWEAR an OATH to it.

Until now.

Now we have an usurper, a man not QUALIFIED to take the oath, SO THE OATH DOES NOT BIND HIM!! Bloody hell, when did HONOR become irrelevant!!?? When it it become OK to give your solemn WORD and Oath and effing BREAK it???

WHEN DID HONOR DIE???? When did personal integrity become immaterial???

Those who put Obama on the throne, and Obama himself will tell you that because of this:

“we don’t need it anymore, it was LIMITING what the Government could do (well f**k yeah it was, that is what it was FOR you cretin Obama), its outdated, it doesn’t fit today’s needs! We will tell YOU what the Constitution means, and that will be what ever we want it to mean. Don’t like it? Tough tooties, WE WON!”

F**K that! We do need it! It is the ONLY thing that keeps us FREE! It kept the Government OUR slave, now with out the constitution it is US who are the slaves!! Is that what you want to give your kids? Government sanctioned SLAVERY??

Kiss my ass O’bots, I am not going down with that quietly.

Wake the eff up Hugin. You are an example of what is WRONG in America! Stop it!!! THINK! For God’s sake. Before it’s too late, and as heaven is my witness we have hardly any time left to ACCOMPLISH this monumental task, waking you idiots UP!

Oh hellfire, I am throwing pearls to swine.

Sorry for the vernacular everyone, but darn it all, it is SO frigging frustrating to try to wake people up who only want to keep on dreaming in their sleep thinking they are awake. I have tried for years not to lose my temper publicly, but dang it, we have lined up all the dots! Its all right here! We PROVED it and STILL people refuse to get that 1+1=2!!!

Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh.

/rant

[Danae]

A total lack of honor... I just lost my temper... but its worth reading anyway I think...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2838892/posts?page=132#132

[thecodont]

What you said.

There are people trying to destroy our Constitution, and it truly IS the only thing that keeps us American.

How can people be so blind!

[little jeremiah]

RUBIO?>?>?>>

The other night Newt mentioned Alan West@!@@!!

PUKE on Rubio! He’s NOT a NBC and he’s also whined about Americans being harsh or something about immigration!

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Danae]

I don’t know. But if we cannot make the posters HERE see the simple truth.... its a lost cause. I have so little hope.... so very little right now.

I am gonna go get a bottle of wine and try to forget what I know for a while. The despair is too much right now.

[little jeremiah]

I personally dislike Rubio on some visceral level and always have, as he strikes me as a weak and suggestible person.

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That’s exactly how I feel. That and the whining about immigration. And of course the non-NBC aspect.

[little jeremiah]

The obots decided to meet up on this thread, interesting.

[little jeremiah]

IMO the ones here who do not see the truth, do not see it because they do not want to see it. They are on the other side.

[little jeremiah]

Great evidence being posted by several including bushpilot1, over on this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2838105/posts?page=1172