Posted on 01/27/2012 3:18:48 PM PST by Timber Rattler
I didn’t read but a few lines of your post. When I want propaganda - I don’t come here.
You are so mislead - you are dripping with propaganda. It’s repulsive. Go to a liberal site - they will wallow in it with you.
Mitt is a POS liberal con man - it says alot about the weakness of your mind.
GO NEWT! The visionary patriot for America! Squash the maggots!
Well said, Governor Palin. Well said indeed.
Thank you for making my point, old FRiend. You sound exactly like the cardinals who refused to look through Galileo's telescope at his heresy trial.
And that's another point you're making for me---apparently if you don't support Newt these days, you MUST be a Romney supporter.
No, I've made it perfectly clear in my posts that I detest Romney and everything that he stands for. But, I'm not holding my nose any more and voting for lesser evils. I'll simply write in Sarah Palin's name on the ballot, go home, and sleep peacefully that night. Will you be able to do the same if you vote for Newt?
And in case you didn't bother to notice, I was the one who first posted Sarah Palin's message and started this thread. That alone pretty much destroys your cheap accusation.
BTTT.
I have the same experience: I don’t know anyone supporting Romney and I don’t know who these people who are.
But that’s my personal experience.
Surveying the political landscape in toto, including the types of statements made by the prominent conservatives who are supporting Romney, I think it’s indisputable that the underlying theme is that they simply think he can beat Obama and none of the other candidates can/could.
I think Gingrich can still win Florida. But he has to focus on what matters to voters, which — it’s becoming increasingly clear — is persuading them of one thing: that he is the best candidate to beat Obama. Even when he knocks Romney, it needs to be brought back to the idea that Gingrich is the best candidate to beat Obama.
Good grief, *I* never said *I* thought Mittens was the best candidate to beat Obama.
I said that appears to be what is driving a lot of his support. And anyone who thinks simply saying Mittens is rotten for this, that and the other is not going to make any headway **unless** that information can also be used to show that he CANNOT beat Obama.
My whole point on this thread has been to offer up some ideas on how Gingrich can gain support, and how simply hoping and pining for the media to vet Romney is a waste of time (which you, yourself, admitted).
Palin didn’t go far enough. No one **out there** will care what comes out about Romney, no matter how much he is further vetted. If the dirt doesn’t seem to affect his **perceived** electability, — (read that again: that qualifier means that I am about to state a conclusion that is NOT my own, NOR do I think it’s factual, but it IS a perception that is animating a lot of Romney supporters) — voters are just going to shrug it off.
So, I don’t know how many times I have to say this for you, by IMO Newt needs to make everything that comes out of his mouth, including how he debunks unfounded negative attacks, relate back to his ability to defeat Obama.
Panic and fear says "Anybody but Obama!" Even if it is a Republican Obama named Romney.
Sense says: "Wait a minute, let's think this through ..."
There’s no doubt there’s stuff out on Romney and that more stuff could/should be thrown at him.
The question is whether it will stick at this point, and that’s what I’m analyzing.
Doesn’t matter how much dirt there is against Romney, of how much it stinks to high heaven, if other factors about the political zeitgeist make it “impossible” for that dirt to stick.
That’s why I’m arguing that to go for the juglar, it’s not enough to “further vet” Romney and hope that bloodying his nose makes people not want to vote for him.
You have to undermine the RATIONALE they are using to vote for him. And, as I look around at the political landscape, it seems to me that the major rationale they are using is that Romney is **perceived by them** (UGH - see my previous post) to be more electable than Gingrich.
Right now the “no one is perfect” and “I don’t care what he’s done so long as he can defeat Obama” memes are working in Gingrich’s AND Romney’s favor.
That fact needs to be clearly addressed.
Romney has proclaimed that he will install Romney care in all the States “when” he is elected. At least with Obama, he is so disconnected and busy touring, vacationing, campaigning and playing Golf, that he would do far less damage with his agenda than Romney would.
The first thing Romney would do if he is elected, would be to immediately swing to the extreme Left, like he did as Governor. He appointed the most Liberal of Judges and turned his nose up at all Conservative contenders for the bench. He also favors the Left in critical social issues, like Abortion, Gay Marriage, etc,.
A Romney presidency will be an utter disaster!
It gets a little ridiculous when any observation about the political landscape that seems to go against one's candidate is greeted not as something to evaluate and, if needed, deal with, but as something to frantically dismiss as the rantings of Mittbot or whatever.
As for the upcoming contests, I specifically said "No debates are scheduled and the next states are said to favor Romney, and there is at least one state with a lot of delegates (Michigan, IIRC) where Gingrich failed to get on the ballot.
Um, IIRC = "if I recall correctly," thus I specifically alerted the reader to the fact that I may be making a mistake here, check it out.
Rush is pro-Romney still, just as he was last time. I have 24 years with him as a listener, and I can read his leanings pretty clearly, the sad thing is that on Bloody Thursday he went too far, and has lost some listeners, and convinced others that they can never again take him at face value.
He will forever be less than he was before Bloody Thursday, just as Drudge will be.
It is obvious that you are simply here to disrupt and spread anti-Newt propaganda.
What is your point? to guarantee that we lose to Romney out of your blind spite for Newt?
FAUX Snooze will also lose about half of their audience. I now get most of my information and news on my Laptop. Who needs the propaganda and rhetoric anymore, when we can have it straight and honest.
I can’t help your emotional reaction to a simple statement of one’s opinion as to what the political dynamics are at the moment.
Nor can I help that you perceive those observations of what the political dynamics out there are as some kind of emotional pressure upon you to “lay off Romney.”
Is it emotionally threatening to merely discuss the fact that there are Romney supporters out there, and evaluating what’s moving them to support Romney for the purpose of trying to undermine that support in an effect rather than ineffective way? If so, I can’t help that, either.
All that is something that is going on in your own head. I really can’t see why you are framing this as someone out to get you.
And isn’t that a little personally aggrandizing? Really: none of my analysis has anything to do with you or who you are supporting and what you say or do not say about any of the candidates.
It’s just my view of what’s going on out there. If stating that creates too much emotional pressure for some, and makes them feel insecure in their own views, they need to address that, I guess.
If he’s not establishment, why did he support NAFTA, GATT, WTO?
I’ve listened to Rush since his first broadcast in Sacramento, and can testify to his overall establishment bent; its undeniable when all is considered.
GATT and WTO have cost us more than half of our standard of living.
Sure you did - and your anti-Newt posts show how much you detest Mitt. LOL! Nothing like campaigning for mitt the POS with fork tongue in your own style.
and sleep peacefully that night. Will you be able to do the same if you vote for Newt?
You betcha! I sleep peacefully EVERY night since I don't spend the day deceiving people. And that night won't be any different except with a rich sense of doing something FOR America - voting for NEWT while thanking those who gave their lives for our country to keep our liberties. And thank God for historians like Newt who teaches about the richness and beauty of Our Constitution.
I was the one who first posted Sarah Palin's message and started this thread.
If you didn't someone else would have - that's a given. Pissant used to post them all the time.
That alone pretty much destroys your cheap accusation.
Are you serious? LOL! It's just like mitt agreeing w/Newt about something on stage. Appearances, appearances. Agreeing with something you can't dispute to grab at some credibility. So it's more like your cheap tactic.
Jim, I agree with you fully on Romney.
I’m just saying that we need to place our hope in turning the GOP, not the vaporous hope of a non-existant 3rd party. We have a few months to go before all is lost, and we need to use our assets, the chiefest presently being the lurkers that frequent FR, to point in the most productive direction.
For a 3rd party we lack it all:
A candidate
Money
An organization
An audible voice
These things take lots of time and effort to realize.
Getting Santorum out is step one - we need to go there full throttle. Ron Paul appears to take more away from Romney than Gingrich.
And I thought that David Limbaugh had some smarts...
I guess we have arrived to the imperfect destination. It’s hard to support Newt, but Romney is a disaster. I trust Sarah P. therefore... (sigh)
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