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Why Urban, Educated Parents Are Turning to DIY Education
The Daily Beast ^ | Jan 30, 2012 | Linda Perlstein

Posted on 01/31/2012 6:23:16 PM PST by scripter

They raise chickens. They grow vegetables. They knit. Now a new generation of urban parents is even teaching their own kids.

In the beginning, your kids need you—a lot. They’re attached to your hip, all the time. It might be a month. It might be five years. Then suddenly you are expected to send them off to school for seven hours a day, where they’ll have to cope with life in ways they never had to before. You no longer control what they learn, or how, or with whom.

Unless you decide, like an emerging population of parents in cities across the country, to forgo that age-old rite of passage entirely.

When Tera and Eric Schreiber’s oldest child was about to start kindergarten, the couple toured the high-achieving public elementary school a block away from their home in an affluent Seattle neighborhood near the University of Washington. It was “a great neighborhood school,” Tera says. They also applied to a private school, and Daisy was accepted. But in the end they chose a third path: no school at all.

Eric, 38, is a manager at Microsoft. Tera, 39, had already traded a career as a lawyer for one as a nonprofit executive, which allowed her more time with her kids. But “more” turned into “all” when she decided that instead of working, she would homeschool her daughters: Daisy, now 9; Ginger, 7; and Violet, 4.

We think of homeschoolers as evangelicals or off-the-gridders who spend a lot of time at kitchen tables in the countryside. And it’s true that most homeschooling parents do so for moral or religious reasons. But education observers believe that is changing. You only have to go to a downtown Starbucks or art museum in the middle of a weekday to see that a once-unconventional choice “has become newly fashionable,” says Mitchell Stevens, a Stanford professor who wrote Kingdom of Children, a history of homeschooling. There are an estimated 300,000 homeschooled children in America’s cities, many of them children of secular, highly educated professionals who always figured they’d send their kids to school—until they came to think, Hey, maybe we could do better.

When Laurie Block Spigel, a homeschooling consultant, pulled her kids out of school in New York in the mid-1990s, “I had some of my closest friends and relatives telling me I was ruining my children’s lives.” Now, she says, “the parents that I meet aren’t afraid to talk about it. They’re doing this proudly.”

Many of these parents feel that city schools—or any schools—don’t provide the kind of education they want for their kids. Just as much, though, their choice to homeschool is a more extreme example of a larger modern parenting ethos: that children are individuals, each deserving a uniquely curated upbringing. That peer influence can be noxious. (Bullying is no longer seen as a harmless rite of passage.) That DIY—be it gardening, knitting, or raising chickens—is something educated urbanites should embrace. That we might create a sense of security in our kids by practicing “attachment parenting,” an increasingly popular approach that involves round-the-clock physical contact with children and immediate responses to all their cues.

Even many attachment adherents, though, may have trouble envisioning spending almost all their time with their kids—for 18 years! For Tera Schreiber, it was a natural transition. When you have kept your kids so close, literally—she breast-fed her youngest till Violet was 4—it can be a shock to send them away.

Tera’s kids didn’t particularly enjoy day care or preschool. The Schreibers wanted a “gentler system” for Daisy; she was a perfectionist who they thought might worry too much about measuring up. They knew homeschooling families in their neighborhood and envied their easygoing pace and flexibility—late bedtimes, vacations when everyone else is at school or work. Above all, they wanted to preserve, for as long as possible, a certain approach to family.

Several homeschooling moms would first tell me, “I know this sounds selfish,” and then say they feared that if their kids were in school, they’d just get the “exhausted leftovers” at the end of the day. Says Rebecca Wald, a Baltimore homeschooler, “Once we had a child and I realized how fun it was to see her discover stuff about the world, I thought, why would I want to let a teacher have all that fun?”

It’s 12:30 p.m. on a Thursday, and Tera and her daughters have arrived home from a rehearsal of a homeschoolers’ production of Alice in Wonderland. Their large green Craftsman is typical Seattle. There are kayaks in the garage, squash in the slow cooker, and the usual paraphernalia of girlhood: board games, dolls, craft kits. Next to the kitchen phone is a printout of the day’s responsibilities. Daisy and Ginger spend about two hours daily in formal lessons, including English and math; today they’ve also got history, piano, and sewing.

Laws, and home-crafted curricula, vary widely. Homeschoolers in Philadelphia, for instance, must submit a plan of study and test scores, while parents in Detroit need not even let officials know they’re homeschooling. Some families seek out a more classical curriculum, others a more unconventional one, and “unschoolers” eschew formal academics altogether. There are parents who take on every bit of teaching themselves, and those who outsource subjects to other parents, tutors, or online providers. Advances in digital learning have facilitated homeschooling—you can take an AP math class from a tutor in Israel—and there’s a booming market in curriculum materials, the most scripted of which enable parents to teach subjects they haven’t studied before.

So far, Tera says, these books have made the teaching itself easy—insofar as anything is easy about mothering three kids nonstop. The girls have started their lessons at the kitchen table, but there are also sandwiches to be assembled, cats who want treats, and girls who want drinks or ChapStick or napkins or, in the youngest’s case, attention.

“Violet, Ginger is getting a lesson, so you have to be quiet,” Tera says from across the open kitchen, while heating tea and coaching Ginger on sounding out Y words. “The first word: is it two syllables? What does Y say at the beginning of a word?”

“Yuh.”

“At the end?”

“Eee? Yucky.”

“Yucky is correct.”

Tera sits down to eat a bowl of salmon salad while helping Ginger with her reading workbook. Daisy is reading a fantasy book about wild cats. Violet is playing with a big clock.

“Sam has a cane and a cape,” Ginger says. “Sam has a cap and a can.”

“If you use your finger, it will work better,” Tera says.

Teaching Daisy to read was a breeze. With Ginger it’s been more complicated, and Tera has had to research different approaches. She gives her lots of workbook activities, because Ginger retains information better when she’s writing and not just listening. Since hearing about a neurological link between crawling and reading, Tera also has Ginger circle the house on hands and knees 10 times daily.

A school, Tera says, might not have teased out precisely how Ginger learns best. This is something I heard often from urban homeschoolers: the desire to craft an education just right for each child. They worry that formal schooling might dim their children’s love of learning (yet there is a flip side: a reduced likelihood of being inspired along the way by the occasional magical teacher, full of passion and skill). They want their children to explore the subjects that interest them, as deeply as they care to go. For Daisy and Ginger, that has meant detours into herbalism, cat shows, musical theater, and deer.

Many parents are happy to sidestep environments that might be too intense, loading kids up with homework, making them feel an undue burden to perform. “The pressure from the reform movement today, from kindergarten on, has been all about ‘Let’s push, push, push for academic achievement,’” says Michael Petrilli, executive vice president of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, an education think tank, and the author of a forthcoming book about urban parents’ schooling decisions. Some urban homeschooled kids, particularly those with special needs, were previously enrolled in school but not served well there.

In truth, some conventional schools are making strides toward diagnosing and remedying each child’s weaknesses. “Differentiated instruction”—the idea that teachers simultaneously address students’ individual needs—is a catchphrase these days in public schools. And many elementary classrooms are no longer filled by rows of desks with children working in lockstep. But it is also true that you can never tailor instruction more acutely than when the student-teacher ratio is 1–1.

The Schreiber girls spend most of their time out and about, typically at activities arranged for homeschoolers. There are Girl Scouts and ceramics and book club and enrichment classes and park outings arranged by the Seattle Homeschool Group, a secular organization whose membership has grown from 30 families to 300 over the last decade. In a way, urban homeschooling can feel like an intensified version of the extracurricular madness that is the hallmark of any contemporary middle-class family, or it can feel like one big, awesome field trip.

Institutions throughout the country have discovered a reliable weekday customer in urban homeschoolers. “Everywhere you turn there’s a co-op or a class or a special exhibit,” says Brian Ray, founder of the National Home Education Research Institute in Oregon. Three years ago, the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago began to court homeschoolers with free admission, their own newsletters, and courses designed specifically for them. Participation has doubled each year. “The more we offer, the more we sell out,” says Andrea Ingram, vice president of education and guest services.

A mini-industry of homeschool consultants has cropped up, especially in New York City, whose homeschooling population has grown 36 percent in eight years, according to the school district. (While states usually require homeschoolers to register, many parents choose not to, so official estimates skew low.) In Seattle, even the public-school system runs a center that offers classes just to homeschoolers.

“My kids actually have to tell me to stop,” says Erin McKinney Souster, a mother of three in Minneapolis, whose kids have learned to find an academic lesson in something as mundane as the construction of a roller-rink floor. “Everything is always sounding so cool and so fun.”

Still, you can’t help but wonder whether there’s a cost to all this family togetherness. There are the moms, of course, who for two decades have their lives completely absorbed by their children’s. But the mothers I got to know seem quite content with that, and clearly seem to be having fun getting together with each other during their kids’ activities.

And the kids? There’s concern that having parents at one’s side throughout childhood can do more harm than good. Psychologist Wendy Mogel, the author of the bestselling book The Blessing of a Skinned Knee, admires the way homeschoolers manage to “give their children a childhood” in an ultracompetitive world. Yet she wonders how kids who spend so much time within a deliberately crafted community will learn to work with people from backgrounds nothing like theirs. She worries, too, about eventual teenage rebellion in families that are so enmeshed.

Typical urban homeschooled kids do tend to find the space they need by the time they reach those teenage years, participating independently in a wealth of activities. That’s just as well for their parents, who by that time can often use a breather. And it has made them more appealing to colleges, which have grown more welcoming as they find that homeschoolers do fine academically. In some ways these students may arrive at college more prepared, as they’ve had practice charting their own intellectual directions, though parents say they sometimes bristle at having to suffer through courses and professors they don’t like.

Tera figures that her daughters are out in the world enough to interact with all sorts of people. She feels certain they will be able to be good citizens precisely because of her and Eric’s “forever style of parenting,” as she calls it, not in spite of it. It’s hard for Tera to get too worried when she’s just spent the weekend, as the Schreibers often do, hanging out on a trip with homeschooled kids of all ages, including confident, competent teenagers who were happy playing cards with their parents all evening, with no electronics in sight.

Milo, my 3-year-old, never wants to go to preschool. So the more I hung out with homeschoolers, the more I found myself picking him up from school early, to squeeze in some of the fun these families were having. I began to think, why not homeschool? Really, there’s something of the homeschooler in all of us: we stuff our kids with knowledge, we interact with them more than our parents did with us. I am resourceful enough to make pickles and playdough; why couldn’t I create an interdisciplinary curriculum around Milo’s obsession with London Bridge? I calculated what we’d have to give up if I cut back on work (though some homeschooling moms work full time or at least occasionally—like Tera, who writes parenting articles).

But my husband and I are loyal to what we call “detachment parenting”: we figure we are doing a good job if Milo is just as confident and comfortable without us as he is with us. Family for us is more a condition—a joyous one, for sure—than a project, one of several throughlines of our lives.

For many of the homeschoolers I met, family is more: the very focus of their lives. And they wouldn’t want it any other way. One comfort Tera and Eric Schreiber held on to when they started homeschooling was that if it wasn’t working out, they could enroll the girls in school, literally the next day. That developed into an annual reassessment. By now their rhythms are deeply their own; they are embedded in a community they love. And at the college up the road there are plenty of calculus tutors, should they need them one day.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arth; frhf; homeschool; homeschooling; learning; teaching

1 posted on 01/31/2012 6:23:25 PM PST by scripter
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To: metmom

Homeschool ping


2 posted on 01/31/2012 6:24:45 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: latina4dubya

Cute pictures at the source. Of course mine are cuter!


3 posted on 01/31/2012 6:26:39 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter

Homeschooling also keeps your kids away from homosexual recruiters and child molesting “teachers”.


4 posted on 01/31/2012 6:28:34 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! Your President's DOJ is taking the Fifth Amendment! How do you feel about that?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Indeed. I was going to say something about that myself.


5 posted on 01/31/2012 6:31:29 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter
insofar as anything is easy about mothering three kids nonstop

Try 20 brand new airmen from across the US and territories, and get back to me.

At least kids can't buy beer (legally).

/johnny

6 posted on 01/31/2012 6:32:46 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Axeslinger

Bttt


7 posted on 01/31/2012 6:33:20 PM PST by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: scripter

Hello; Our eyes are being opened, even as a nation our eyes are opening!

When we look at our national history, our publc schools, Universities and colleges were founded for the purpose of raising a Godly people and a godly nation.
We have little of this today, in fact most in our educational system are enemies of Godly parents and Godly children.


8 posted on 01/31/2012 6:40:40 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: scripter
But the premise of the article is correct. Individual attention and adjusted teaching methods are important to achieve the required results (finish school, get married, have children... IN THAT ORDER).

The down side is the reflex to make everything "It's a lesson, 'who can tell me the steps of CPR?' when passing an accident site". (ABC-W is the correct answer)

Or when you pop off something in Latin to one of the grandkids, and he pops off something back in Cambodian, and your youngest has to sort out that we've changed appropriate languages for ages 1-6.

New fangled stuff...

/johnny

9 posted on 01/31/2012 6:46:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: scripter
Psychologist Wendy Mogel,.... wonders how kids who spend so much time within a deliberately crafted community will learn to work with people from backgrounds nothing like theirs.

The socialization learned in a typical government socialist-entitlement school is **prison-gang** survival skills. Thankfully, most humans are adaptable and most adults do eventually discard these pathological school social habits and adopt the healthy attitudes and behaviors needed for success in business, the community, and family. It is sad, some don't, and they don't do as well.

She worries, too, about eventual teenage rebellion in families that are so enmeshed.

Personally, with all the homeschooling families that I have known, I have never seen "teenage rebellion". It's been quite the opposite. I see well mannered teens who look me straight in the eye and can actually speak standard English in full paragraphs. ( Unlike far too many government schooled kids who have the 20 degree off-centered stare and respond with grunts.) Also, studies show that adult homeschoolers are more likely to be married, employed, vote, and volunteer in the community. Welfare among homeschooled adults is so small it can't be measured.

10 posted on 01/31/2012 6:48:11 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: LetMarch
most in our educational system are enemies of Godly parents and Godly children.

Indeed.

11 posted on 01/31/2012 6:54:22 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: wintertime
I've only heard of one kid who rebelled. I'm sure there are others. But this kid rebelled because the parents were ultra strict and they realize where they messed up.

Gotta run... be back tomorrow.

12 posted on 01/31/2012 6:56:01 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: wintertime

“Teenage rebellion” didn’t exist until the Marxists created the tension-—by the 60’s through the indoctrination in the schools—the Kinsey/Hefner godless push in the 50’s to destroy traditions and morals which resulted in the 60’s revolution.

Every group is against every other group——men/women/children (Communist feminist Friedan) Christianity v. Atheism (homosexuality—communist harry hays) .
ACLU—communist founded to destroy Just Law and create “special rights” which deteriorates into unrest. To create racism and class warfare—create an underclass with welfare—which destroys children’s IQ and achievement.

Moral Relativism took God out of schools and put godless Frank values in—to destroy Virtue—necessary in all free societies. (Dewey-Fabian Socialist).


13 posted on 01/31/2012 7:13:33 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just LawD)
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To: savagesusie
Moral Relativism took God out of schools ,,
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The statement above seems to imply that if we could just go back to a time when there was the perfunctory prayer in the morning that somehow socialist-entitlement government schooling could be fixed. It can't because government socialist-entitlment schooling was flawed from the beginning and it was inevitable that it ended up as it is now.

At their very best, modern government schools began ( mid-1800s to early 1900s) with a lukewarm and generic Protestantism. What does Christ do with the lukewarm? He spits them out of His mouth! What do children risk by attending schools with lukewarm and generic religion? Answer: They risk learning to be comfortable with being lukewarm and generic about religion.

By my grandmother's day, ( born 1894), the government schools were godlessly secular in their worldview with a nod to God in the morning. Do you think God might have been offended? Children who attend these schools risk learning to merely nod to God on occasion.

Today,....Government schools are utterly godless. Just to cooperate in the classroom the child must think and reason godlessly. How could it be otherwise? How can this be religiously neutral? ( It isn't!)

14 posted on 01/31/2012 7:21:51 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: scripter; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; adopt4Christ; Aggie Mama; ...

HOMESCHOOL PING

This ping list is for articles of interest to homeschoolers. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping List. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added or removed from either list, or both.

The keyword for the FREE REPUBLIC HOMESCHOOLERS’ FORUM is frhf.

15 posted on 01/31/2012 8:21:23 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: scripter
the one thing i didn't like about this article is the implication that before these new up and coming urbanites started homeschooling, typical homeschooling parents (you know--the religious ones, or the ones that choose to live in the country) were not educated...

whenever anybody asks me where my kids go to school, i say we've chosen an alternative lifestyle... alternative education... we homeschool...

16 posted on 01/31/2012 9:52:47 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: latina4dubya
whenever anybody asks me where my kids go to school, i say we've chosen an alternative lifestyle... alternative education... we homeschool...<>P>Who teaches them punctuation and sentence structure? ;^)
17 posted on 02/01/2012 3:10:44 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The One-Room Schoolhouse was that. Kids moved up by merit and spent as much or more time working with their parents as their teacher. My hope is that homeschoolers will lead the way back to individual liberty. Much as these granola-munching Seattlelites probably wouldn’t agree with your average FReeper on most political issues we can all agree on individual liberty. Leave me and mine alone.


18 posted on 02/01/2012 5:16:04 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: savagesusie

You’re wrong. Young adult rebellion has long existed, but was difficult to practice given social, political and economic norms (think of the story of the Prodigal Son). What’s changed in our modern day is the ability of teen angst to be so thoroughly destructive. For that you simply need to eliminate any distinction between wrong and right. School children in one study were hard pressed to determine what was and wasn’t moral or ethical across a variety of fairly straight forward issues.

The cause: radical homosexual and sexual activists who’ve been working on our kids through government schooling for over a century. Once you learn how not to judge you cannot judge. It’s all good.


19 posted on 02/01/2012 5:20:40 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: wintertime

The purpose and intent of government schools was to break the natural bonds between parent and child. They first came for the Catholics and eventually got to everyone else.


20 posted on 02/01/2012 5:22:29 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: scripter

Go on any website where there is a story about a school that screwed up — zero tolerance policies, homosexual indoctrination, poor test scores, usurpation of parental authority, whatever, the list is endless — and you will see a slew of negative comments about the public schools that you didn’t see 10 years ago.

People have had it and are looking for something else for their kids and other people are willing to provide it for them.


21 posted on 02/01/2012 5:28:27 AM PST by goldi
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To: scripter
Unless you decide, like an emerging population of parents in cities across the country, to forgo that age-old rite of passage entirely

Age-old? OK....

That we might create a sense of security in our kids by practicing “attachment parenting,”

What does homeschooling have to do with "attachment parenting"? Does this author even know what she is writing about?

They worry that formal schooling might dim their children’s love of learning (yet there is a flip side: a reduced likelihood of being inspired along the way by the occasional magical teacher, full of passion and skill).

LOL...yeah, you're right. Put 'em into the child-only prison system on the off-chance they'll get that one teacher that inspires them for that one year. Good plan.

But my husband and I are loyal to what we call “detachment parenting”: we figure we are doing a good job if Milo is just as confident and comfortable without us as he is with us.

"...because that's all we've seen and despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, we're going to treat our kids like employees."

Family for us is more a condition—a joyous one, for sure—than a project, one of several throughlines of our lives.

Sure, a "condition"--you know, like cancer.

Yet she wonders how kids who spend so much time within a deliberately crafted community will learn to work with people from backgrounds nothing like theirs. She worries, too, about eventual teenage rebellion in families that are so enmeshed.

Leave it to a psychologist to have the Dumbest Quote of the Day.

22 posted on 02/01/2012 6:05:55 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: wintertime

As I understand it, only in the U.S. is teenage rebellion “expected.” In the vast majority of the rest of the world, no such thing is expected and rarely occurs.

I guess that’s another case of the soft bigotry of lowered expectations. Teenagers are not children, but they’re treated as such; therefore they act like children.


23 posted on 02/01/2012 6:09:18 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: scripter

My only problem with this article is that it all takes place in Liberal Seattle.

What are they teaching?


24 posted on 02/01/2012 6:58:07 AM PST by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: scripter

My only problem with this article is that it all takes place in Liberal Seattle.

What are they teaching?


25 posted on 02/01/2012 6:58:09 AM PST by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
She worries, too, about eventual teenage rebellion in families that are so enmeshed.

When I studied counseling in the 1980's "enmeshed" was a negative diagnosis and we would help people learn to be "unenmeshed!" (not really a work, I know)

26 posted on 02/01/2012 7:12:46 AM PST by aberaussie
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To: scripter
Good story, and I'm glad it is becoming more popular. The more kids who are out of the system, the better.

I really can't imagine choosing to give my kids to strangers for the majority of their childhood.

27 posted on 02/01/2012 8:45:31 AM PST by teenyelliott (Obama warned if he loses the election it could herald a new, painful era of self-reliance)
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To: scripter

You don’t even have to stay home. I opened my own practice so I could take them along, and as they grew, they learned real skills because I needed real help. They learned to become adults because they spent time around adults.

If anyone thinks they do not have time to home school, I would advise putting their children in kindergarten and maybe first grade. Once they know how to read, basic number skills, and how to stand in line, all you have to do is give them curriculum to build on that and give real work to them. They can self teach.


28 posted on 02/01/2012 10:38:51 AM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: Future Snake Eater; wintertime

We are teaching our children and the preteens in our church from the book ‘The Teenage Years of Jesus Christ’ by Jerry L. Ross. Awesome book. It teaches that biblically there are only three stages of life; child, young adult and older adult. There is not such thing as “teen” years. We have encouraged the students to compare what the Bible says about Jesus at 12 and what the world think of the teens years. They are learning that their teen years are times of putting away childish things(speech, reasoning and thoughts 1 Corinthians 13:11) and they are learning to be adults. It is not a time of extended childhood. I highly recommend it for ANY parent with teens or preteens.


29 posted on 02/01/2012 12:02:34 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Added to my Amazon wish list, thanks!


30 posted on 02/01/2012 2:12:23 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

You are welcome.


31 posted on 02/01/2012 2:20:16 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: RoadTest

I wondered that too. The parents sound like loonies. Then I realized it is none of my business! Homeschoolers can’t afford to be picky about our allies. So they will look at me funny for the conservative values I teach my kid and I think they’re Eco freak hippy wackoes but the more homeschoolers there are the harder time the government has controlling us.


32 posted on 02/01/2012 2:20:41 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB

Good thinking. I’m with you all the way. Like you, teach them to think for themselves.


33 posted on 02/01/2012 2:42:45 PM PST by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: scripter
A long, long time ago, in the 1960’s when HS’ing really had its modern rebirth, there were probably as many secularists as there were religious families seeking freedom. Religious families wanted to take the Biblical injunction to raise their children in the nurture and admonitions of God seriously. Most of the secular families were left-of-center types that wanted to ‘free’ their children (i.e.: raise them naked on a commune in an old school bus) or they were hard-core types bent on fighting ‘the Man.’

After the hiatus of the last 30 years, religious folks have persevered and, according to our fears, the publik skoolz have plummeted into the abyss. Our leftist brethern (and sistern) from the ‘60’s now run the system and are the establishment. However, every bird cage eventually fills up with crap if not cleaned by the responsible. So, now, secular types (having fostered the decline all along the way) realize what a mess the system is in and choose to do what elites do all the time - get a better education for their kids (i.e.: Algore and his private uber-elite tutelage).

That's OK - except for one thing. Now that the secularists are getting on board, this will likely attract all the more pressure to obstruct or control HS’ing to the detriment of us all. Worse still, without the principled standards of faith based educators, we may yet see a resurgence of the ‘free’ school crazies that simply raise illiterate and impulse driven monsters on their own without the aid of educational professionals (i.e.: NEA teachers). This may be an opening the establishment has been looking for all along.

34 posted on 02/01/2012 3:23:25 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: 1010RD

No-—there was little rebellion-— only in the places of very strict control-—most boys-—were working by the time they were 14-16. Ben Franklin by the time he was 12. My father was working by the time he was 17 and off on his own. Children matured by the time they were 18-—they never had this extended childhood to 26 or 30-—living in mom’s basement, being supported by their parents. Carnegie started working when he was 13. Mark Twain by the time he was 13 or so also.

My mom was on her own by 17 also. They did not “rebell” they grew up and were adults by 18.

There was childhood, then you were suppose to work and support yourself. People didn’t have time or money to goof off and be non productive. They died.


35 posted on 02/01/2012 7:28:30 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just LawD)
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To: wintertime

I have a set of the McGuffey Readers that were used until Dewey. Even though those books kept being revised and taking more Biblical texts out and making it more and more secular during the 19th century—even the books printed in 1920 had lots of Bible verses and all the stories were moral stories based on Biblical morality.

True-—it wasn’t as much Christian as in the beginning but it had God and Lord throughout the book and Right and Wrong (Moral Absolutes) were taught-— the standard from the Ten Commandments (not barney frank).

That is why there was a moral compass in the US and not in Germany during the 30’s—We returned to the pews, they didn’t—they turned to a new god, Hitler. They had adopted the postmodernist—(moral relativism/atheism) was established there earlier since the philosophy was founded there—Marx, Hegel, Nietzsche, Fichte-—it was the heart of the atheist movement and took awhile to infiltrate our schools. Since we were not like Germany-—with centralized public schools it took much longer to infiltrate all the small country schools and towns in all the states. That is why the Bible belt was not in the major cities-—those infiltrated first. Jimmy Carter-—forming the DOE completely destroyed all public education. But Dewey took out the word God and Bible verses etc. But lots of small schools never ever got the “new” curricula for decades. That is why the atheist movement took longer here-—we didn’t get the Centralized Prussian school system finalized until Jimmy Carter. We are one generation behind the immoral Europe.


36 posted on 02/01/2012 8:05:36 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just LawD)
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To: raybbr
<>P>Who teaches them punctuation and sentence structure? ;^)

i was waiting for that... there is always somebody who points this out... i teach them... and as i writer, i am quite a stickler... ha! i've been using this informal style for informal writings since i started using email back in the late 80s... it's expedient... quick--but perhaps improper... ;)

37 posted on 02/02/2012 1:47:05 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: raybbr
<>P>Who teaches them punctuation and sentence structure? ;^)

i was waiting for that... there is always somebody who points this out... i teach them... and as i writer, i am quite a stickler... ha! i've been using this informal style for informal writings since i started using email back in the late 80s... it's expedient... quick--but perhaps improper... ;)

38 posted on 02/02/2012 1:47:10 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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